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Post by westcoastaggie on Nov 20, 2023 16:31:30 GMT -5
They aren’t correct. However, I don’t know if the athletic department even cares to correct them. They got their money from NCCU, GHOE, and (likely) an increased number of season ticket sales. With low resource institutions leading the way in attendance, just how important are these attendance numbers to their bottom lines? Are these schools no longer in the bottom quadrants of athletic budgets or is this just a pissing contest? What evidence do you have to say that they are not correct? I already proved that the article numbers are not from the box scores. Those Zeros for our posted attendance. That’s the evidence.
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Post by aggie2039 on Nov 20, 2023 16:37:33 GMT -5
jbrob already posted this information. We are disputing whether the numbers are correct for A&T. They aren’t correct. However, I don’t know if the athletic department even cares to correct them. They got their money from NCCU, GHOE, and (likely) an increased number of season ticket sales. With low resource institutions leading the way in attendance, just how important are these attendance numbers to their bottom lines? Are these schools no longer in the bottom quadrants of athletic budgets or is this just a pissing contest? Poor people find the dumbest things to brag about😅😅
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Post by planoaggie on Nov 20, 2023 16:40:05 GMT -5
What evidence do you have to say that they are not correct? I already proved that the article numbers are not from the box scores. Those Zeros for our posted attendance. That’s the evidence. No it is not. I said they did not use the box scores. Therefore I guess you have no evidence that the article numbers are incorrect just like I don't know that they are correct. We both agree that the box score numbers are incorrect.
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Post by westcoastaggie on Nov 20, 2023 16:42:25 GMT -5
Those Zeros for our posted attendance. That’s the evidence. No it is not. I said they did not use the box scores. Therefore I guess you have no evidence that the article numbers are incorrect just like I don't know that they are correct. We both agree that the box score numbers are incorrect. Where is your evidence that we provided the info to the NCAA and not add them to our box scores? And provide tangible links to verify this, please. Thanks!
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Post by planoaggie on Nov 20, 2023 16:48:17 GMT -5
No it is not. I said they did not use the box scores. Therefore I guess you have no evidence that the article numbers are incorrect just like I don't know that they are correct. We both agree that the box score numbers are incorrect. Where is your evidence that we provided the info to the NCAA and not add them to our box scores? And provide tangible links to verify this, please. Thanks! I plainly stated that I don’t have evidence that the article numbers are correct. I just stated that they could not have possibly been using the box score numbers because the math does not work out to the article avg attendance for A&T. I provided a link and calculation to support my statement about the box score. You said "They aren’t correct." I said "I don't know that they are correct." You should be providing evidence to support your certainty that the numbers are wrong.
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Post by jbrob on Nov 20, 2023 18:58:42 GMT -5
jbrob already posted this information. We are disputing whether the numbers are correct for A&T. They aren’t correct. However, I don’t know if the athletic department even cares to correct them. They got their money from NCCU, GHOE, and (likely) an increased number of season ticket sales. With low resource institutions leading the way in attendance, just how important are these attendance numbers to their bottom lines? Are these schools no longer in the bottom quadrants of athletic budgets or is this just a pissing contest? We need to find more major donors and sponsors.
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Post by aggierattler on Nov 20, 2023 18:59:42 GMT -5
Our numbers are lower than I would have guessed. Are we sure those figures are accurate? The box score for yesterday still has our attendance at 0. We may not have reported all of our data yet. As someone in this profession on the college side off-and-on since 1981, I find this absolutely ridiculous (and unprofessional) for us to not be calculating and not reporting our attendance numbers. Each game that is not reported goes on the ledger as a ZERO.
And not only are we hurting ourselves, we are hurting the CAA's overall numbers by not reporting them. I would think that the CAA Office would find this unacceptable.
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Post by Bornthrilla on Nov 20, 2023 19:08:37 GMT -5
It may be an instance were we reported our attendance numbers late, but the SID staff never went back and updated the box scores.
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Post by oldschool on Nov 20, 2023 19:12:33 GMT -5
What evidence do you have to say that they are not correct? I already proved that the article numbers are not from the box scores. Those Zeros for our posted attendance. That’s the evidence. Anybody that's ever attended GHOE in person knows our attendance numbers are incorrect . The stadium has a listed capacity of 21,500 and that is what has been reported for GHOE for the last 20 years or so . All one has to do is pay attention to halftime when the band or bands come down for the halftime show .Immediately fans come into the stadium and all of their seats are taken up to watch the halftime show . So take a mental snapshot of that moment and it's easy to see ,all of the seats are taken so that's 21,500 fans in the stadium ,plus the bands on the field which are counted as complimentary tickets,plus the people down on the track ,plus all of the people at the concession stands (4) ,plus all of the people in the tailgate areas (2) that never come into the stadium at all and you would probably have between 23,00 and 24,000 easily ,but we always announce attendance at 21,500 . I don't know if we are afraid of the fire marshal or what but it shouldn't matter since we aren't inside of a building but it's fairly obvious to me ,and there is no reason for not reporting attendance for 3 whole games ,which in my opinion accounts for the low average of around 9,000 .Aggies can, and should ,DO BETTER !!!
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Post by oldschool on Nov 20, 2023 19:18:21 GMT -5
We may not have reported all of our data yet. As someone in this profession on the college side off-and-on since 1981, I find this absolutely ridiculous (and unprofessional) for us to not be calculating and not reporting our attendance numbers. Each game that is not reported goes on the ledger as a ZERO.
And not only are we hurting ourselves, we are hurting the CAA's overall numbers by not reporting them. I would think that the CAA Office would find this unacceptable.You are absolutely correct ,you have given us the correct way to count attendance over and over ,that's the model I used for my example ,which easily shows we are under counting our attendance ,at least for GHOE .
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Post by aggierattler on Nov 20, 2023 19:38:04 GMT -5
The fact that we've got two games that we have no attendance figures listed for just demonstrates how poor a job our athletics department does with basics sometimes. That's ridiculous. It said 8100 for Villanova...I'm thinking we had to have the equivalent of that if not more for Richmond and Campbell which would put our home average at a little less than 13,000 for the year. But still we gotta do better with things like this. It's not hard to calculate an athletic event's official attendance. I have done over 120 for college games (FB, MBB, WBB) and over 500 for NBA and WNBA games. It takes about 15 minutes to do.
You can best believe that any attendance number that is announced as a nice, round figure is inaccurate, and is most likely a made-up number.
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Post by aggieforlife on Nov 21, 2023 17:39:56 GMT -5
Party people attendance numbers came out today and for the pro CAA Aggies attendance has drop 22 percent a 1 and what ever team has something to due with it but who gets excited by playing the Bryants of the world 22 percent is huge and its only going get worst HBCUs do not belong in a PWI Conference give me three things that we will gain.We are the only race of people that give our best to others the only race.We gain nothing you dress up a pig but its still a pig. MEN lie Women lie but numbers don't 22 percent maybe shouting Aggie Pride will change all that.
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Post by aggie2008 on Nov 21, 2023 19:05:41 GMT -5
*runs in quickly with my church finger up before I get attacked by the delulu’s*
Quiet as it’s kept, there was obviously more fannies in seats on 9/9 than 11/4. The stadium seats were only 90% full on 11/4 but of course they will play blind. I will say, I do actually see the benefit of the game zone, at least for for homecoming.
*runs back out quickly with my church finger up before I get tomatoes thrown at me*
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Post by aggie2008 on Nov 21, 2023 19:07:09 GMT -5
BTW, that’s still not bad for a 1-10 team 😔
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Post by planoaggie on Nov 21, 2023 20:28:14 GMT -5
Party people attendance numbers came out today and for the pro CAA Aggies attendance has drop 22 percent a 1 and what ever team has something to due with it but who gets excited by playing the Bryants of the world 22 percent is huge and its only going get worst HBCUs do not belong in a PWI Conference give me three things that we will gain.We are the only race of people that give our best to others the only race.We gain nothing you dress up a pig but its still a pig. MEN lie Women lie but numbers don't 22 percent maybe shouting Aggie Pride will change all that. Where can you find the new or real attendance information?
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