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Post by oleschoolaggie on Dec 10, 2021 13:30:11 GMT -5
don't know about "all" a&t fans, but relative to bdv posters? the answer to your question is "yes" and "yes", especially the second "yes"... In your opinion, what should be the appropriate response of BDV posters right now in light of the football program's first losing season since 2011? some folk don’t believe in “loyalty”, they don’t care about who has helped them in the past. that’s why some bdv posters readily abandoned a 50 year relationship with the very same institutions that helped a&t athletics become what it is today. same goes for our head football coach. we’ve got bdv posters who do not appreciate the accomplishments of our head football coach since he took over for coach broadway, not to mention his long time services as our defensive coordinator. they’re willing to “instantaneously” cut ties with a “2 time” bcf national championship coach just because he came up 1 game short of having a winning season this year. i mean, how would you feel if you performed your job at the “highest level” possible ever since you were hired but got fired for essentially doing an “average” job for the first time ever? to me the appropriate response would be to “not panic” and give our coach the respect he deserves to right the ship next season. its the honorable thing to do and our coach “should not” be on the hot seat. our ad should sit down with our head coach (as he probably does after every season) to discuss what we could’ve done better this season and how we will address those issues going forward. we should welcome our head coach back with “open arms” next season but with the expectation that the issues we had this season will drastically improve...
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Post by ohsixrain on Dec 10, 2021 13:44:00 GMT -5
In your opinion, what should be the appropriate response of BDV posters right now in light of the football program's first losing season since 2011? some folk don’t believe in “loyalty”, they don’t care about who has helped them in the past. that’s why some bdv posters readily abandoned a 50 year relationship with the very same institutions that helped a&t athletics become what it is today. same goes for our head football coach. we’ve got bdv posters who do not appreciate the accomplishments of our head football coach since he took over for coach broadway, not to mention his long time services as our defensive coordinator. they’re willing to “instantaneously” cut ties with a “2 time” bcf national championship coach just because he came up 1 game short of having a winning season this year. i mean, how would you feel if you performed your job at the “highest level” possible ever since you were hired but got fired for essentially doing an “average” job for the first time ever? to me the appropriate response would be to “not panic” and give our coach the respect he deserves to right the ship next season. its the honorable thing to do and our coach “should not” be on the hot seat. our ad should sit down with our head coach (as he probably does after every season) to discuss what we could’ve done better this season and how we will address those issues going forward. we should welcome our head coach back with “open arms” next season but with the expectation that the issues we had this season will drastically improve... While we as the fanbase understand those sentiments, we cannot ignore that there were times where our team looked as if it didn't belong on the field with its opponents. With the talent our team possess, that should NEVER happen. Then, to compound it with poor discipline was insult to injury. However, I do say, had we been a disciplined team, we win at least 2 more games than we did. Now, let me say this, Coach Washington saw with his own two eyes what the poor discipline was doing to the outcome of these games. Yet, it happened week after week after week. I refuse to believe he, the head man in-charge, condoned the behavior. Having said that, the GINORMOUS question becomes, "Why wasn't anything done to rectify the poor discipline?" Unfortunately, it just can't be swept under a rug as if it didn't happen or exist. So, the concerns are legit.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Dec 10, 2021 13:52:58 GMT -5
some folk don’t believe in “loyalty”, they don’t care about who has helped them in the past. that’s why some bdv posters readily abandoned a 50 year relationship with the very same institutions that helped a&t athletics become what it is today. same goes for our head football coach. we’ve got bdv posters who do not appreciate the accomplishments of our head football coach since he took over for coach broadway, not to mention his long time services as our defensive coordinator. they’re willing to “instantaneously” cut ties with a “2 time” bcf national championship coach just because he came up 1 game short of having a winning season this year. i mean, how would you feel if you performed your job at the “highest level” possible ever since you were hired but got fired for essentially doing an “average” job for the first time ever? to me the appropriate response would be to “not panic” and give our coach the respect he deserves to right the ship next season. its the honorable thing to do and our coach “should not” be on the hot seat. our ad should sit down with our head coach (as he probably does after every season) to discuss what we could’ve done better this season and how we will address those issues going forward. we should welcome our head coach back with “open arms” next season but with the expectation that the issues we had this season will drastically improve... While we as the fanbase understand those sentiments, we cannot ignore that there were times where our team looked as if it didn't belong on the field with its opponents. With the talent our team possess, that should NEVER happen. Then, to compound it with poor discipline was insult to injury. However, I do say, had we been a disciplined team, we win at least 2 more games than we did. Now, let me say this, Coach Washington saw with his own two eyes what the poor discipline was doing to the outcome of these games. Yet, it happened week after week after week. I refuse to believe he, the head man in-charge, condoned the behavior. Having said that, the GINORMOUS question becomes, "Why wasn't anything done to rectify the poor discipline?" Unfortunately, it just can't be swept under a rug as if it didn't happen or exist. So, the concerns are legit. i never said that we didn’t have “issues” during this season. but given the history of our staff, the “issues” that we had this season are not grounds to be “fired”. that’s all i’m sayin’. personally, i don’t have a problem with the “criticism” of our coaching this season. heck, i criticized our coaching too!! but that doesn’t mean i’m ready to give him his “pink slip” like some other posters do. like i previously stated, what should happen is that the ad should sit down with the head coach and review the season along with the “issues” we had this year. discuss “corrective actions” without pressure to fire the head coach. then, at the end of next season we “revisit” this conversation...
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Post by 919aggie on Dec 10, 2021 13:56:20 GMT -5
Sounds like we’re suppose to have “blind loyalty” like Trump supporters…
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Post by Maxell on Dec 10, 2021 14:35:30 GMT -5
loy·al /ˈloi(ə)l/
adjective giving or showing firm and constant support or allegiance to a person or institution.
Should we be loyal to the person?
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Post by The Professor on Dec 10, 2021 14:50:32 GMT -5
Yes
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Post by The Professor on Dec 10, 2021 14:52:20 GMT -5
In your opinion, what should be the appropriate response of BDV posters right now in light of the football program's first losing season since 2011? some folk don’t believe in “loyalty”, they don’t care about who has helped them in the past. that’s why some bdv posters readily abandoned a 50 year relationship with the very same institutions that helped a&t athletics become what it is today. same goes for our head football coach. we’ve got bdv posters who do not appreciate the accomplishments of our head football coach since he took over for coach broadway, not to mention his long time services as our defensive coordinator. they’re willing to “instantaneously” cut ties with a “2 time” bcf national championship coach just because he came up 1 game short of having a winning season this year. i mean, how would you feel if you performed your job at the “highest level” possible ever since you were hired but got fired for essentially doing an “average” job for the first time ever? to me the appropriate response would be to “not panic” and give our coach the respect he deserves to right the ship next season. its the honorable thing to do and our coach “should not” be on the hot seat. our ad should sit down with our head coach (as he probably does after every season) to discuss what we could’ve done better this season and how we will address those issues going forward. we should welcome our head coach back with “open arms” next season but with the expectation that the issues we had this season will drastically improve... I bet the CIAA felt the same when we left for the MEAC
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Post by moaggies5 on Dec 10, 2021 15:55:40 GMT -5
Hello fellow Aggies as I'm new to the board though I've followed along for some time. A&T fans are no different than other fans and that term as we know is short for fanatics. As a former baseball player at T when let's say the program wasn't that great, I learned that Ws & Ls happen well before the contest begin. I've heard the loud cries for the removal of Coach Wash and I vehemently disagree. I'm of the school of thought that perhaps we need to bolster our staff with more resources and grant them some grace as I largely viewed this as a transition year. Now, if he and his staff are unable to celebrate those lessons learned then all bets are off. The area that without question Coach Wash has to get a hold of is the lack of discipline. We challenge for the Big South crown in year 1 if we weren't so highly penalized and out here selling wolf tickets. Yes, Coach is somewhat soft spoken and mild tempered but I do believe he deserves an opportunity to fix things. I'm hopeful that we all choose to support the team with our time, talent, and treasure. We know we have the Pride and we know that Aggies Do!
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Post by Bornthrilla on Dec 10, 2021 16:16:11 GMT -5
I do believe he deserves an opportunity to fix things. I agree. And welcome to the site.
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Post by DOOMS on Dec 10, 2021 16:18:26 GMT -5
Unappreciative and disloyal? Is this a marriage or some fans of a football program? Sheesh.
A&T fans ain't different from no other fans.
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Post by Maxell on Dec 10, 2021 16:57:27 GMT -5
Hello fellow Aggies as I'm new to the board though I've followed along for some time. A&T fans are no different than other fans and that term as we know is short for fanatics. As a former baseball player at T when let's say the program wasn't that great, I learned that Ws & Ls happen well before the contest begin. I've heard the loud cries for the removal of Coach Wash and I vehemently disagree. I'm of the school of thought that perhaps we need to bolster our staff with more resources and grant them some grace as I largely viewed this as a transition year. Now, if he and his staff are unable to celebrate those lessons learned then all bets are off. The area that without question Coach Wash has to get a hold of is the lack of discipline. We challenge for the Big South crown in year 1 if we weren't so highly penalized and out here selling wolf tickets. Yes, Coach is somewhat soft spoken and mild tempered but I do believe he deserves an opportunity to fix things. I'm hopeful that we all choose to support the team with our time, talent, and treasure. We know we have the Pride and we know that Aggies Do! Welcome to the board!
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Post by moaggies5 on Dec 10, 2021 17:05:09 GMT -5
Thank you Maxell and Thrilla, appreciate the hospitality.
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Post by lobengula on Dec 10, 2021 17:16:21 GMT -5
BDV should stop watching the hiring of these other coaches and getting jealous of it all. Jealousy and envy aren't good to have on one's spirit. On the other hand, it's okay to express displeasure with the results from the now previous season and let the school know that you expect to see better results next year. We're Aggies at the end of the day. We (typically) achieve great goals in everything Aggies do as the school produces renowned individuals dedicated to excellence. So it's understandable why expectations are high. We just have to be realistic regarding our high expectations. We should also ask if there's anything that the program needs that we can financially support in order to help see better results. This is not about resources, the losses and dysfunction are coaching issues starting and ending with Washington. If he had an extra $1M the players would have still tried to fight GW players at their bus. The AD would have still had to come on the field at CSU to stop our players from getting into it with the opposing team He would have still played an injured running back We would have still led the league in penalties Wow did not know about the CSU incident.Basically the team was /is out of control. What slse is there that has so many upset.
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Post by Aggie77 on Dec 10, 2021 18:44:32 GMT -5
some folk don’t believe in “loyalty”, they don’t care about who has helped them in the past. that’s why some bdv posters readily abandoned a 50 year relationship with the very same institutions that helped a&t athletics become what it is today. same goes for our head football coach. we’ve got bdv posters who do not appreciate the accomplishments of our head football coach since he took over for coach broadway, not to mention his long time services as our defensive coordinator. they’re willing to “instantaneously” cut ties with a “2 time” bcf national championship coach just because he came up 1 game short of having a winning season this year. i mean, how would you feel if you performed your job at the “highest level” possible ever since you were hired but got fired for essentially doing an “average” job for the first time ever? to me the appropriate response would be to “not panic” and give our coach the respect he deserves to right the ship next season. its the honorable thing to do and our coach “should not” be on the hot seat. our ad should sit down with our head coach (as he probably does after every season) to discuss what we could’ve done better this season and how we will address those issues going forward.we should welcome our head coach back with “open arms” next season but with the expectation that the issues we had this season will drastically improve... average? C'mon OSA 45% ain't average. The thing I will agree with you is the AD/Coach sit down. In line with your corporate analogy. As a 40 year veteran of the corporate wars. A corrective action plan is generally the practice put in place to monitor an employee's slip in expected performance. It's imperative for the AD and HC to establish goals and expectations on each other's part. Of the many things involved in leading D1 football program one or two things shouldn't result in dismal, however somethings carry more weight than others. Regarding unappreciative and disloyal. I think our frustration is what we see. I'm sure this frustration isn't limited to us fans. We can't catch, throw, kick, tackle, shoot, defend or coach. It's just that we can only express it with words, and sometimes . . .
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Post by lenman1 on Dec 10, 2021 19:51:12 GMT -5
I am not disloyal but also realistic. A confluence of things happened that turned this year into a lost season. We had lesser talent than the hype made us believe and we had injuries and players that for whatever reason simply did not perform. Martin was expected to be a POY candidate and be the catalyst for our offense, he was hurt and ineffective. Zach Leslie was a nonfactor and was our best wideout. Most importantly, the QB simply was not that good, he was slow with his reads and made mistakes at critical junctures (like the pick against Monmouth late in the 3rd quarter). Lastly, our secondary was horrible, and every team exploited that. We were slow as a team. It was evident in the Furman game when their TE took a short crossing route 87 yards to the house. I don't think the weight room was our problem it was team speed. In fact, we probably played Kennesaw State tougher than anyone in the Big South (they smashed everyone else by 3-4 touchdowns. including Monmouth)
Our fanbase was spoiled because we had better players like Cohen, Parker, Bell, Raynard, Ghardin, Carter, Johnson. McCain. Unfortunately, most programs not named Alabama go through cycles where the talent base catches up. Unless we can recruit better players this is the tip of the iceberg. So we need to hope the unfounded theory of the BS move as a positive for recruitment is true! Disloyalty is when you pull a conference switch surreptitiously without even the thought of the preferences and concerns of the fans. alumni, students and stakeholders.
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