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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2020 16:50:14 GMT -5
I ain’t buying this one bit...not saying it’s not possible, but if A&T tries to leave the MEAC for another conference...and pulls a Hampton, the powers that be better get ready for the fallout from Alumni, students, and supporters. It won’t be pretty...that’s for sure. I ain’t going for that Big South or Southern Conference stuff at all. Meh... I’ll write a huge check to them for the cause.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2020 16:51:49 GMT -5
I dont care either way, but seems like there's always talk about how other teams in the league aren't pulling there weight and the conference as a whole is weak. I don't know how long the CB will continue but we should have a plan in place because without the conference AQ we may start having a hard time recruiting top notch talent with no potential postseason play possibilities. It will be tough to get at large as MEAC champ if we dont have strong nonconference and win those games. We always want to know how we stack up, well an opportunity could be presenting itself in a new conference affiliation. Like someone previously posted, we can only carry this thing for so Long waiting on others to catch up, but in the words of the great "Nature Boy" Ric Flair, "To be the man you have to beat the man." We're still try to do this from afar, maybe it's time. Not sure why alumni, supporters, etc would push back, because the university is trying to better its position athletically by joining a conference where we are more on an equal playing field? At the same time it could financially beneficial to us as well. Maybe we should just be satisfied being the big fish in a small pond and essentially for the sake of the other HBCUs we would then be keeping afloat indirectly by remaining in the MEAC. I mean let's be honest, for the most part the draw to most potential conference sponsors is the Aggies and everyone else is on for the ride. No smack intended just trying to be realsiatic. As much as we’ve trashed the conference, we aren’t leaving if the Celebration bowl gets renewed. I’m personally surprised a renewal announcement didn’t occur last month but it may likely come by August, if it happens.
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Post by VA's Finest on Jan 3, 2020 17:39:56 GMT -5
Seems like that announcement would have been made by now if it was going to happen. Realistically, this game has a had trouble keeping a title sponsor, so I wouldn't be shocked if contract is not renewed.
If that is the case, than we, MEAC, is now up a creek with no postseason guarantee, only MEAC title. Back to the chitlin circuit.
Granted, I would love for the other member institutions to put a quality product on the field and courts for that matter, but how long are we willing to wait around for those administrations to start making better financial decisions first, which would then potentially help bolster their athletic programs, which like the circle of life then starts generating more revenue for the university. We can still keep our natural geographic rivals and in turn help increase our profit margin because of more regional travel and potentially larger revenue sharing from TV/streaming deals with said conference.
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Post by aggieforlife on Jan 3, 2020 18:03:18 GMT -5
If CB is not re up do we ask for our Automatic Qualifier Back or jet to another Conference
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Jan 3, 2020 19:43:54 GMT -5
i'm not with this "we're better than thou" attitude. i mean, it wasn't that long ago that we were the laughing stock of all hbcu's, even including d2's. but now all of a sudden we're setting ourselves apart from our fellow hbcu's who held it down for us when we had the worst athletics department in the entire meac.
be careful what you ask for, a lot of hampton alums are now saying their move to the big south was a mistake...
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Post by VA's Finest on Jan 3, 2020 20:41:36 GMT -5
Some may disagree but some call it forward thinking.
We will NEVER forget the 0-27, but this university as a whole is on a whole nother level than most other HBCU's. Zdont see it as a holie than thou attitude, just progressive, always looking to be better.
In the same notion Broadway wanted to recruit guys better than current players, our leadership is preparing us to be not just a the best HBCU in the country but the best University in the country.
And again just because we may leave the MEAC behind does not mean we still wont be the best and largest HBCU in the country, they wont revoke our card. Our university recruits the best and brightest students regardless of race. We will just be an HBCU competing in a, less be honest more competitive athletic conference, regardless of race. Again there could be some financial gain by doing so as well.
Athletics is ever changing just like the rest of the world. In retail, brick and mortar has given way to online shopping. Athletics used to make most revenue on tickets, parking, concessions. The major revenue stream is now in TV and streaming. Like we keep saying about the CB, ticket sales mean nothing compared to TV ratings. How many eyes are seeing these ads is what sponsors want to know stadium only holds 71K, TV can reach millions, and if add in streaming even more. The MEAC cant seem to get that lucrative TV deal that helps other conference schools. Some other mid major conferences could do so via TV or streaming service.
We will still be an HBCU, nothing changes there.
I for one like progressive, forward thinking and no disrespect to other member institutions, but maybe we could be the blueprint for how they can come up as well.
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Post by aggierattler on Jan 3, 2020 20:45:33 GMT -5
i'm not with this "we're better than thou" attitude. i mean, it wasn't that long ago that we were the laughing stock of all hbcu's, even including d2's. but now all of a sudden we're setting ourselves apart from our fellow hbcu's who held it down for us when we had the worst athletics department in the entire meac. be careful what you ask for, a lot of hampton alums are now saying their move to the big south was a mistake... Sent from my SM-G950U using proboards DEFINITELY...
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Post by lobengula on Jan 3, 2020 22:02:41 GMT -5
Once again we find ourselves engaged in another exercise in futility. Let me remind everybody we are not ready. We do not have the social infrastructure. We have achieved dominance in the real sense of the word athletically.Our coaching staffs are underpaid. We do not have on a regular basis butts in the seats in BB&T/Aggie Stadium on a continuous basis. Our band is underfunded tremendously. Doing less with limited resources is archaic when we could be much better given our advantages which seemingly are being disregarded. We do not need to continue entertaining abandoning the MEAC for which we are one of the primary motivators. To do so is to be treasonous. The reality of the shituation is that the narrative must change in the socioeconomic aspect. For instance why do parents continue to send their kids to Clemson, Georgia, Alabama, Texas, etc. where voter suppression is occurring. Overnight we could change this equation. Those HCBU administrators that are not in tune with the reality need to be replaced. Look around wherever you on your local community and observe the continual social pathology and ask the question why? Remember that kid who chose Florida over Alabama and the reaction of his Mother to his decision? This is where it is at modern day enslavement psychophysiological entanglement.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Jan 3, 2020 22:11:07 GMT -5
Some may disagree but some call it forward thinking. We will NEVER forget the 0-27, but this university as a whole is on a whole nother level than most other HBCU's. Zdont see it as a holie than thou attitude, just progressive, always looking to be better. In the same notion Broadway wanted to recruit guys better than current players, our leadership is preparing us to be not just a the best HBCU in the country but the best University in the country. And again just because we may leave the MEAC behind does not mean we still wont be the best and largest HBCU in the country, they wont revoke our card. Our university recruits the best and brightest students regardless of race. We will just be an HBCU competing in a, less be honest more competitive athletic conference, regardless of race. Again there could be some financial gain by doing so as well. Athletics is ever changing just like the rest of the world. In retail, brick and mortar has given way to online shopping. Athletics used to make most revenue on tickets, parking, concessions. The major revenue stream is now in TV and streaming. Like we keep saying about the CB, ticket sales mean nothing compared to TV ratings. How many eyes are seeing these ads is what sponsors want to know stadium only holds 71K, TV can reach millions, and if add in streaming even more. The MEAC cant seem to get that lucrative TV deal that helps other conference schools. Some other mid major conferences could do so via TV or streaming service. We will still be an HBCU, nothing changes there. I for one like progressive, forward thinking and no disrespect to other member institutions, but maybe we could be the blueprint for how they can come up as well. well, how much has tennessee state advanced since joining the ovc? when is the last time tsu played postseason football? we don't need to join another conference to advance a&t to a higher level. just because you join a stronger conference doesn't in and of itself elevate that school. elon is in one of the strongest fcs conferences in america (caa), yet we've beaten them the last 3 or 4 games in a row. to me, its beneficial for us to be in the meac because we can advance to postseason play much easier than in a stronger conference. check hampton out, their women dominated the meac in basketball. but now, they struggle just to win a conference championship and haven't seen any postseason play since joining the big south. ya'll may think joining another conference will elevate a&t but neither tennessee state nor hampton have proven that. matter fact, quite to the contrary. other than track, none of their teams are advancing to postseason play...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2020 22:12:26 GMT -5
Once again we find ourselves engaged in another exercise in futility. Let me remind everybody we are not ready. We do not have the social infrastructure. We have achieved dominance in the real sense of the word athletically.Our coaching staffs are underpaid. We do not have on a regular basis butts in the seats in BB&T/Aggie Stadium on a continuous basis. Our band is underfunded tremendously. Doing less with limited resources is archaic when we could be much better given our advantages which seemingly are being disregarded. We do not need to continue entertaining abandoning the MEAC for which we are one of the primary motivators. To do so is to be treasonous. The reality of the sheeetuation is that the narrative must change in the socioeconomic aspect. For instance why do parents continue to send their kids to Clemson, Georgia, Alabama, Texas, etc. where voter suppression is occurring. Overnight we could change this equation. Those HCBU administrators that are in tune with the reality need to be replaced. Look around wherever you on your local community and observe the continual social pathology and ask the question why? Remember that kid who chose Florida over Alabama and the reaction of his Mother to his decision? This ios where it is at modern day enslavement psychophysiological entanglement. Welp... You and the Chancellor strongly disagree here.
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Post by VA's Finest on Jan 3, 2020 22:34:37 GMT -5
Some may disagree but some call it forward thinking. We will NEVER forget the 0-27, but this university as a whole is on a whole nother level than most other HBCU's. Zdont see it as a holie than thou attitude, just progressive, always looking to be better. In the same notion Broadway wanted to recruit guys better than current players, our leadership is preparing us to be not just a the best HBCU in the country but the best University in the country. And again just because we may leave the MEAC behind does not mean we still wont be the best and largest HBCU in the country, they wont revoke our card. Our university recruits the best and brightest students regardless of race. We will just be an HBCU competing in a, less be honest more competitive athletic conference, regardless of race. Again there could be some financial gain by doing so as well. Athletics is ever changing just like the rest of the world. In retail, brick and mortar has given way to online shopping. Athletics used to make most revenue on tickets, parking, concessions. The major revenue stream is now in TV and streaming. Like we keep saying about the CB, ticket sales mean nothing compared to TV ratings. How many eyes are seeing these ads is what sponsors want to know stadium only holds 71K, TV can reach millions, and if add in streaming even more. The MEAC cant seem to get that lucrative TV deal that helps other conference schools. Some other mid major conferences could do so via TV or streaming service. We will still be an HBCU, nothing changes there. I for one like progressive, forward thinking and no disrespect to other member institutions, but maybe we could be the blueprint for how they can come up as well. well, how much has tennessee state advanced since joining the ovc? when is the last time tsu played postseason football? we don't need to join another conference to advance a&t to a higher level. just because you join a stronger conference doesn't in and of itself elevate that school. elon is in one of the strongest fcs conferences in america (caa), yet we've beaten them the last 3 or 4 games in a row. to me, its beneficial for us to be in the meac because we can advance to postseason play much easier than in a stronger conference. check hampton out, their women dominated the meac in basketball. but now, they struggle just to win a conference championship and haven't seen any postseason play since joining the big south. ya'll may think joining another conference will elevate a&t but neither tennessee state nor hampton have proven that. matter fact, quite to the contrary. other than track, none of their teams are advancing to postseason play... We are not Tennessee State nor Hampton. I would have to believe that our administration has an entirely plan than both of those schools. There's the old adage "iron sharpens iron." Now again no disrespect to the other member institutions, but we need to compete against the best more than just 1 or 2 games a season. Athletically, Let's be realistic a lot of the players that we graduate have a tough time making the league unfortunately because of our league. I do believe they will find you if you can play, but they are at an immediate disadvantage because of the level of competition. I'm not saying we should or could even join the ACC but a non P5 conference garners a little more respect that FCS. That alone will get you that extra look you may need. Maybe we should just reach our ceiling and be satisfied being thethe3q big fish in a little pond. No need to broaden our horizons and expand our footprint. Stay inside this neat little box. I saw a an HBCU Gameday from football season about Savannah state football getting a big win at Morehouse. They talked to some fans who said they were excited that SSU went back to SIAC because now they can travel to just about all the games. We, NCAT are a different breed of travelers, I personally attend just about every game, but if you're willing to sacrifice a potential financial windfall and more competitive athletics just to be able to drive to more games than let's just stay where we are and keep beating up on the sisters of the poor.
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Post by lobengula on Jan 3, 2020 23:10:50 GMT -5
Once again we find ourselves engaged in another exercise in futility. Let me remind everybody we are not ready. We do not have the social infrastructure. We have achieved dominance in the real sense of the word athletically.Our coaching staffs are underpaid. We do not have on a regular basis butts in the seats in BB&T/Aggie Stadium on a continuous basis. Our band is underfunded tremendously. Doing less with limited resources is archaic when we could be much better given our advantages which seemingly are being disregarded. We do not need to continue entertaining abandoning the MEAC for which we are one of the primary motivators. To do so is to be treasonous. The reality of the sheeetuation is that the narrative must change in the socioeconomic aspect. For instance why do parents continue to send their kids to Clemson, Georgia, Alabama, Texas, etc. where voter suppression is occurring. Overnight we could change this equation. Those HCBU administrators that are in tune with the reality need to be replaced. Look around wherever you on your local community and observe the continual social pathology and ask the question why? Remember that kid who chose Florida over Alabama and the reaction of his Mother to his decision? This is where it is at modern day enslavement psychophysiological entanglement. Welp... You and the Chancellor strongly disagree here. Well I hope that we disagree agreeably. The facts are apparent we are not ready. Until we dominant the MEAC we do not need to pursue a goal that is meaningless. Quite frankly maybe we need to think beyond the chancellor to effectuate meaningful change given our existential reality. After all he is not indispensable. Do all the things on the wish list 2020 by making it user friendly for people to make donations to the University for starters in addition to other external fund raising efforts. Engage the local community to enhance their quality of life by addressing the school to prison pipeline which originates in the beginning of their educational process. In other words there is a gang mentality in the school system as well as prison mentality culture in our community ie. sagging of pants. This culture of criminality must be confronted if we as a community is to advance or else we are doomed. A major mistake was made when certain individuals interfered with the logistics of GHOE which is one of the reason that there are too many butts in the seats of BB&T/Aggie Stadium absent which why they are fans of schools other than us or any other HBCU.
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Post by neighborhoodsuperstar on Jan 3, 2020 23:50:43 GMT -5
We’ll agree to disagree. It’s one thing for a non-HBCU school to change conferences...but when we do it, it’s as if your soul is taken from you. Your DNA changes with just this simple move. Say what you want, but Hampton just ain’t Hampton anymore. I wish them the best in their ventures....but even in the way they bolted; it didn’t seem appropriate. There was no tact in it....dare I say, it was tasteless. Maybe it would have been more palatable if they made the transition with better taste. To me, they did all of their previous brethren wrong (the CIAA and MEAC).
Maybe there was no other way they could do it....but when you make a change like that, something within you changes as well.
The way I feel about it is this. I don’t have to be around “them” 24/7/365 to beat them. Do you need to learn about them - yes. Do you need to beat them - yes. But when you’re with them 24/7/365, do you become them? Personally, there’s no way your DNA doesn’t change if you amongst “them” ALL THE TIME!
Sorry, I don’t want any part of that. Didn’t need to join the Southern Conference to beat App St years ago. Didn’t need to join the Big South to beat Gardner Webb. Didn’t need to join the Colonial Conference to beat Elon. Didn’t need to join the AAC to beat ECU. Didn’t need to join the Ohio Valley to beat Jacksonville State (not sure how long it’s been since Tenn St has beaten those same folks- just saying).
I like being a black school in a black conference. Our conference does not limit us from competing against and beating them. Hell, our next game is against North Dakota State. There are schools in their own conference who haven’t beaten them in years. There are top 10 schools from the Colonial, Big Sky, and Southland Conferences that can’t beat them. A&T doesn’t have go to any white conference to formulate a plan and accrue the talent necessary to beat North Dakota State.
If we lose....how does that make us any different than anyone else? But oooooh....if we win - can’t nobody from FCSland coast to coast say anything.
We have a brand. Our brand ain’t Elon. It ain’t James Madison. It ain’t Southern Conference-ish. It ain’t Colonial-ish. It ain’t Big South-ish. The MEAC is who we are....but not all we are. The sooner we get this in our heads, the better off we’ll be and the more we’ll continue to prosper.
I’m not interested in being in any other conference in America. We have and will continue to achieve right where we are....without having to alter or erase our DNA in the process....
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Post by SixtiesAggie on Jan 4, 2020 0:15:25 GMT -5
Tenn. State was mandated by the state to be who they are today. When that happened, their white student population increased. What is it today? Have they increased their athletic attendance? Both are pretty much what they were before the state required changes. I would suspect that if Tenn. State could make their own independent choice today, they would choose to be in the SWAC.
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Post by aggierattler on Jan 4, 2020 0:23:47 GMT -5
Tenn. State was mandated by the state to be who they are today. When that happened, their white student population increased. What is it today? Have they increased their athletic attendance? Both are pretty much what they were before the state required changes. I would suspect that if Tenn. State could make their own independent choice today, they would choose to be in the SWAC. You do realize that they are no longer under that mandate, right? Tennessee State can move to another conference nowadays without repercussion.
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