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Post by oleschoolaggie on Aug 17, 2019 13:54:42 GMT -5
I wonder what drives the fascination with going FBS. its national "visibility" and i don't have a problem with that, just that i don't think the fbs route is the way to go for us. even app state hasn't made much of a dent at the fbs level and they're a former "3 time" fcs national champ. nor any of the other former fcs schools doing anything other than maybe boise state. odu ain't doing jack, nor is georgia southern, nor is georgia state, or liberty, and i could go on and on. so what makes dr. martin believe a&t can succeed at the fbs level? i really like dr. martin's vision, but i hope he thinks long and hard before he pulls the fbs trigger...
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Post by aggieepower1990 on Aug 17, 2019 14:31:59 GMT -5
If Chancellor Martin said it out loud he can see a path to achieving it. I would not bet against this Chancellor’s vision. The donors must already be in line. I’m sure a lot of other things must happen but the public statements will test the economic waters.
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Post by aggieepower1990 on Aug 17, 2019 14:34:25 GMT -5
Football is not the money maker for the university, its research and development, R1 status. Football helps the brand however the alumni and our accomplishments make the brand.
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Post by DOOMS on Aug 17, 2019 14:52:29 GMT -5
I wonder what drives the fascination with going FBS. its national "visibility" and i don't have a problem with that, just that i don't think the fbs route is the way to go for us. even app state hasn't made much of a dent at the fbs level and they're a former "3 time" fcs national champ. nor any of the other former fcs schools doing anything other than maybe boise state. odu ain't doing jack, nor is georgia southern, nor is georgia state, or liberty, and i could go on and on. so what makes dr. martin believe a&t can succeed at the fbs level? i really like dr. martin's vision, but i hope he thinks long and hard before he pulls the fbs trigger... App State won the Sun Belt last year and their coach got the Louisville job. Now the fact you didn't know that absolutely without a doubt proves your point. They've been what many people would call successful at the lower levels of fbs football yet a knowledgeable football fan (and I'm betting you ain't the only one by a longshot) has no idea they're even relevant. I only know because I literally looked it up two weeks ago trying to remember who was coaching Louisville now. If we don't get past Elon in week one and/or get diddle stroked by Duke in week two or lose two conference games, this thread will die.
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Post by Maxell on Aug 17, 2019 14:54:49 GMT -5
didn't we learn "anything" from famu's experience? please don't do this!! Why not? Yes, I learned: 1. Be financially ready. Our budget would need to double. 2. You will be a unicorn. FBS schools will be intrigued and want to schedule you. 3. Find a conference first. We can not transition as an independent the way FAMU tried and be successful. 4. Be realistic about the timetable, but the timetable is purely based on #1. 5. Build a unified coalition of students, faculty, alumni, friends and corporate supporters. 6. Be prepared to upgrade facilities before. 7. Don't be stupid, but don't be scared! 8. See #1 again. If you can't do #1, ignore the other points.
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Post by DOOMS on Aug 17, 2019 14:59:37 GMT -5
Number 1 actually applies to us in fcs in my opinion.
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Post by thefriscotxaggie on Aug 17, 2019 15:58:39 GMT -5
I wonder what drives the fascination with going FBS. its national "visibility" and i don't have a problem with that, just that i don't think the fbs route is the way to go for us. even app state hasn't made much of a dent at the fbs level and they're a former "3 time" fcs national champ. nor any of the other former fcs schools doing anything other than maybe boise state. odu ain't doing jack, nor is georgia southern, nor is georgia state, or liberty, and i could go on and on. so what makes dr. martin believe a&t can succeed at the fbs level? i really like dr. martin's vision, but i hope he thinks long and hard before he pulls the fbs trigger... app State has been successful at FBS as Dooms said they won the Subelt last year and have been near the top of the Sunbelt since joining. App almost beat Penn State last year
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Aug 17, 2019 16:13:17 GMT -5
its national "visibility" and i don't have a problem with that, just that i don't think the fbs route is the way to go for us. even app state hasn't made much of a dent at the fbs level and they're a former "3 time" fcs national champ. nor any of the other former fcs schools doing anything other than maybe boise state. odu ain't doing jack, nor is georgia southern, nor is georgia state, or liberty, and i could go on and on. so what makes dr. martin believe a&t can succeed at the fbs level? i really like dr. martin's vision, but i hope he thinks long and hard before he pulls the fbs trigger... app State has been successful at FBS as Dooms said they won the Subelt last year and have been near the top of the Sunbelt since joining. App almost beat Penn State last year my point is, even winning the sunbelt is not considered a "dent" at the fbs level. the sunbelt is amongst the "weakest" fbs conferences in the country. winning that conference (in my opinion) is not creating a "dent". to me, creating a "dent" at the fbs level means being ranked in the top 25 or at least getting votes. and also being competitive against the top 25 teams in the country. i mean, look at the teams that app state beat last year? "zero" bcs teams. so how much "visibility" will app state get by beating the likes of charlotte (who we beat), gardner webb (who we also beat), s. alabama, ccu, georgia state, troy, texas state, and middle tennessee? those are the teams they beat last year. again, "zero" bcs teams. to be honest, the sunbelt is nothing more than an fcs conference disguised as an fbs conference. if that's the best app state can do, then what's the use? certainly we don't expect to do any better than app state. may as well stay where we are. famu was stupid for trying it, and i hope we don't make the same mistake...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2019 16:29:51 GMT -5
Having an opportunity to play a Saturday Night game on ABC and having College Football Gameday on campus would be huge. But of course, that's years down the line if we even are invited to an FBS conference.
Now a huge question we'd have to ask ourselves are we going to get this invite in the MEAC, or are we going to have to head to the Big South to pull it off?
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Post by aggie2039 on Aug 17, 2019 17:08:57 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2019 17:17:43 GMT -5
That and increased game guarantees from P5 schools or the abilities to schedule a 2 for 1 deal would be a more consistent moneymaker than winning the Celebration Bowl.
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Post by aggie2039 on Aug 17, 2019 17:32:51 GMT -5
That and increased game guarantees from P5 schools or the abilities to schedule a 2 for 1 deal would be a more consistent moneymaker than winning the Celebration Bowl. Correct, so we would bring in another $1.5M annually, probably enough to cover the additional scholarship costs. Additionally attendance would increase due to regional match ups, app state, UNCC and the chance to host ECU, Wake and other FBS schools at home would do wonders for attendance. I even think we would develop a rivalry with Georgia State, they have a large black population that know A&T brand.
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Post by pj on Aug 17, 2019 17:44:50 GMT -5
"Cast down your buckets where you are" Booker T.
I guess that I'm stuck with the Ken Free (former Commissioner) effort. Grow THIS baby. Make the MEAC better/Great. Keep our schools afloat. Make our experience inviting.
And keep beating the UNC-C's, ECU's ect. Bring the whole Band and take-over, get the check, and bounce. Really use ESPN to promote what WE DO!
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Post by aggie2039 on Aug 17, 2019 17:48:51 GMT -5
"Cast down your buckets where you are" Booker T. I guess that I'm stuck with the Ken Free (former Commissioner) effort. Grow THIS baby. Make the MEAC better/Great. Keep our schools afloat. Make our experience inviting. PJ as whole it seems like our conference schools do not have the same vision and priorities. Howard and FAMU should have been moved up to FBS.
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Post by marchingband1969 on Aug 17, 2019 18:12:41 GMT -5
its national "visibility" and i don't have a problem with that, just that i don't think the fbs route is the way to go for us. even app state hasn't made much of a dent at the fbs level and they're a former "3 time" fcs national champ. nor any of the other former fcs schools doing anything other than maybe boise state. odu ain't doing jack, nor is georgia southern, nor is georgia state, or liberty, and i could go on and on. so what makes dr. martin believe a&t can succeed at the fbs level? i really like dr. martin's vision, but i hope he thinks long and hard before he pulls the fbs trigger... App State won the Sun Belt last year and their coach got the Louisville job. Now the fact you didn't know that absolutely without a doubt proves your point. They've been what many people would call successful at the lower levels of fbs football yet a knowledgeable football fan (and I'm betting you ain't the only one by a longshot) has no idea they're even relevant. I only know because I literally looked it up two weeks ago trying to remember who was coaching Louisville now. If we don't get past Elon in week one and/or get diddle stroked by Duke in week two or lose two conference games, this thread will die. First let me say, Martin will not be here 10 or 15 years from now to make this happen. And if we had that much money for football I'd rather it go for Engineering scholarships. Don't get me wrong, I love college football but for A&T to thrive, academics not football is the formula.
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