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Post by thefriscotxaggie on Feb 5, 2018 14:00:24 GMT -5
I agree wit Thrilla as an interesting fact that same #4 ranked Sam Houston was involved in a shoot out game with Prarie View eventually winning 44 -31. Game was actually 36-31 with PV driving with a couple minutes to go an PV turns the ball over. I watched that game very good game. The same Sam Houston that beat University of Richmond a week before playing PV.
What I dont like is plating a Top 10 FCS program and a FBS program back to back.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Feb 5, 2018 14:19:04 GMT -5
based on what? hey, i'm a diehard aggie too! but i'm also "realistic". who did we beat last season that deems us a true "top 10" fcs team in the country? certainly nobody in the meac would qualify for that, nor unc charlotte, gardner webb, or grambling. so what justification do you feel validates that we're a "true" top 10 fcs team last season? i'm asking because i personally don't see it, but would like to. maybe your justification can change my mind cuz right now i don't see us beating the 9 best fcs teams in the country and i base my opinion on recent history. not only has a&t never beaten a top 10 ranked fcs "pwc" team (not including tennessee state in the '99 playoffs), but no meac or swac team has done it for "almost" 2 decades. jacksonville state had been ranked #2 overall in the country last season until they loss in the playoffs and dropped to #9. imho, its gonna be quite a tall order to beat that team... Well it sucks to know you don't think we're a powerhouse, despite the evidence suggesting it posted almost on a daily basis but it's okay. We'll still have plenty of room on the bandwagon for you. wca, c'mon now. i never said we weren't a so called powerhouse. indeed we are a "powerhouse" relative to hbcu football, matter fact i'd say we're the absolute "best" hbcu team in the country regardless of division. but imo, we have done "nothing" that proves we're a top 10 fcs team nationally. i mean, unc charlotte was only "1 point" away from going completely "winless" last season. they beat uab by 1 point in ot to finish the season 1-11. so surely our win over them doesn't prove we're a top 10 fcs team. gardner-webb finished their season with a 1-10 record, so our win over them don't prove nothing either. hey, i'm a diehard aggie but "i call things the way that i see it". i'm not gonna say great things about a&t if i truely don't believe it. i'm not saying that we have no chance of beating jsu, all i'm saying is i don't like the odds given who its against and where its being played...
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Feb 5, 2018 14:34:18 GMT -5
How much FCS football are you watching? I think James Madison and the Dakota Schools might be a cut above us, but we can definitely compete against anybody else in the top 10: www.fcs.football/cfb/polls.asp?div=fcsFor instance, Sam Houston was ranked #4 in the final polls and they nearly lost to Northwestern State who lost to Grambling ... who lost to us. Last year, we beat everybody on our schedule, including a FBS team that had 20 more scholarships than us. The year before that, we went on the road and beat a FBS team in Kent State that had 20 more scholarships than us. Two years before that we went to App State and beat them. I dont think you have an accurate understanding of just how strong our program has become right now and the state of FCS football in general. unc charlotte won a whopping "1 game" last season! and would've been completely "winless" had they not beat uab in overtime by just "1 friggin' point". and kent state? man, kent state is probably the most "pathetic" fbs team in the country. even howard almost beat them last year. kent state's record last season was 2-10! friggin' 2-10! and the year we beat them? they were friggin' 3-9! how in da hail we could beat our chests over those fbs wins is beyond me. not to mention, the year we beat app state, app state finished the season 4-8. i mean, teams like jacksonville state would completely "humiliate" teams like unc charlotte, kent state, and the "subpar" app state team we played in 2013. and let's not play the this great team nearly loss to team "a" who loss to team "b" and we beat team "b" crap. certainly you've learned by now that comparing a team's performance against other opponents who played somebody that we beat doesn't mean "squash". c'mon, thrilla. lol, you're better than that!
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Post by Bornthrilla on Feb 5, 2018 15:07:20 GMT -5
If you want to believe the ice is colder down at Jacksonville State, that is your prerogative.
Jacksonville State has played FBS teams during that same time span and lost to every one of them. Jacksonville State has lost to other FCS teams. They are a good program but far from unbeatable.
Since the two schools have never met on the field, this is all subjective anyway. Until we play the game.
To my knowledge we have not turned down any opportunities to play a top FCS opponent that wants some smoke and we shouldn't start now.
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Post by neighborhoodsuperstar on Feb 5, 2018 15:27:14 GMT -5
I really don't know what he's trying to convince us......
There's nothing wrong with A&T playing Jacksonville State. ---If they beat us by 40 - ok ---If they beat us by 20 - ok ---If we beat them by 20 or 40 - great
We're both FCS; we're both top 20 teams. Why is this one game causing OSA to lose his mind? WSSU and Savannah State have dropped back to DII recently.....do you want us to follow them??? I'm being sarcastic there......because I don't know why you're polluting this thread with the "We have no business playing them" angle that makes absolutely no sense.
Losing to Jacksonville State (by 20, 30 or 40 points) doesn't change how we will fare in the MEAC or Celebration Bowl. We'll get national TV exposure. If anything, the fact that we have a lot of our team back from last year bodes extremely well for us.
Seriously, I'm trying to figure out what makes this game sooooooo worrisome to play. If Jacksonville St beats us like UNC or Tulsa did a few years back, give them their props, learn from it, and move on.
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Post by Bornthrilla on Feb 5, 2018 15:43:34 GMT -5
This must be like a Trump and Putin thing.
Jacksonville State must have some serious dirt on Oldschoolaggie and are now insisting that he act like a complete coward or else they are gonna go public.
Kinggamecock is really a JSU enforcer and he just joined the board last week to make sure Oldschool stays in line.
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Post by DOOMS on Feb 5, 2018 16:11:10 GMT -5
I see both sides. They play a better brand of football down there, period. But I am curious to see how we stack up. I was disappointed but pleasantly surprised when we barely lost to Coastal a few years back when they were highly ranked. I'm assuming at worst we could expect similar results, but I'd much rather win than lose. Moral victories are like almost getting some to me. You still a virgin.
I think both teams have a lot to lose if they lose the game. But it's high time that a team besides Winston beats a pwc that ends their season with a winning record.
We'll see if it happens if we we're prepared.
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Post by neighborhoodsuperstar on Feb 5, 2018 16:25:56 GMT -5
Seriously Dooms, What do we really lose? If we lose to Jacksonville State and win the rest of the way, we'll be in the top 20 and in the Celebration Bowl again. That sounds like Deja Vu to me. I'm just not going to entertain the petrified-with-fear card OSA (or anyone else for that matter) is trying to play.
It's one game. If we win by 50 or lose by 50.....it only counts once. And again, we are LOADED WITH RETURNING PLAYERS.....I'd rather take my chances playing JSU in August versus November.
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Post by DOOMS on Feb 5, 2018 17:02:25 GMT -5
As I see it we carry the weight of hbcu football on our shoulders if this game is played. I may be overstating it, but if I was a pwc coach looking to recruit against us down the road I'd use the "did you see what JSU did to them" line.
It appears we got a transfer from Coastal at rb this year. My assumption is we recruited him out of high school directly against Coastal yet we lost out for his services. Coastal also had the son of one of our own hall of famers playing for them. I tend to believe had we beaten them directly that one or both of them would've been playing for us straight out of high school.
If we win on the other hand, we validate hbcu football to a certain degree. We also validate our program considering last year we were favored in every game and played a bunch of tin cans for a large part of the season.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Feb 5, 2018 17:04:37 GMT -5
i'm only gonna take the high road but so much before i make things very ugly up in here. i would encourage a certain poster who willfully insults and calls me derogatory names to refrain from doing so, you know you are and i'm not talking about thrilla.
i normally ignore your posts for good reason. but i'm not gonna just sit back and take your "unprovked" insults. you can't say that i instigate your insults since i ignore you posts. i would strongly encourage you to leave me or my name "out" of your posts.
moderators, that's my warning...
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Post by thefriscotxaggie on Feb 5, 2018 17:09:48 GMT -5
Dooms,
When I want get a good sense of a team I go look at their roster. They have a good number of two star recruits in most cases their kids choose JSU over other FCS programs; I saw a few that had offers from lower tier FBS they also won some recruiting battles against the SWAC several of the kids had offers from Alabama A&M & State. . I did not see alot transfers the one thing that impressed me was pretty much the entire OL was 6'3 - 6'4 and 280. JSU is not close to being Tulsa or Carolina. I would put them on equal level with Coastal a few years ago.
Yes we played Coastal to a 1 point game a few years back; however this current / last years Aggie Team was significantly better than two years ago....more talent, more experience, bigger stronger and faster... Last years team would have beat that Coastal team by at least 10 points.
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Post by neighborhoodsuperstar on Feb 5, 2018 17:18:29 GMT -5
i'm only gonna take the high road but so much before i make things very ugly up in here. i would encourage a certain poster who willfully insults and calls me derogatory names to refrain from doing so, you know you are and i'm not talking about thrilla. i normally ignore your posts for good reason. but i'm not gonna just sit back and take your "unprovked" insults. you can't say that i instigate your insults since i ignore you posts. i would strongly encourage you to leave me or my name "out" of your posts. moderators, that's my warning... Ain't nothing gonna get ugly as long as you stop whining about why we should be overcome with both fear and reverence when/if we play JSU. I'm not backing away from ANYTHING I've stated. You're expressing fear over this game as if the world will come crashing down if JSU beats us. ....IT WON'T.... And try spelling "unprovoked" correctly before using the word. If you can't, just stick to "using" "words" "less" than "5-6" "letters."
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Feb 5, 2018 17:49:03 GMT -5
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Post by neighborhoodsuperstar on Feb 5, 2018 18:15:17 GMT -5
Well while you’re waiting so patiently for the moderators OSA, let me get another one off....
When it comes to playing Jacksonville State, stop being the
Only Scared Aggie
On this thread....
In life, you....
Never Stop Striving
to be the best or compete against the best around. That’s what Aggies do.
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Post by kinggamecock on Feb 5, 2018 19:16:02 GMT -5
I don’t see any reason another successful FCS team should be afraid of playing us. We are a legit top10 team most years but we are fully capable of crapping the bed against a good team... or mediocre team. We generally destroy poor teams. Our biggest problem is playing in the weak OVC. We don’t get much of a challenge until th playoffs. Last season we lost to Kennesaw in the second round ...we had no business losing that game. We should have beaten them by 3 touchdowns on talent alone.
There is a definite separation between most top 20 teams and NDSU/JMU. We want to be there, but aren’t quite... and won’t be as long as we play in the OVC.
As for FBS opponents, we haven’t beaten anyone of note recently. Georgia State In 2013 hardly counts. Ole Miss was 8 years ago. We took Auburn to overtime and should have won in 2015. One first down with a minute left and we win, but we got conservative and our all American punter shanked one allowing Auburn a short field and a quick tying score.
We lost our defensive coordinator and some key players from what was the strength of our team last year. Our offense was the worst it has been since 2013 last year, primarily because of the lack of a downfield passing threat. The formula for stopping us has been to sell out against the run and trust that we can’t throw the ball. If you can do that and throw quick slants, you can beat us. It is difficult to go vertical on us because our front 7 will put heat on your qb.
We should be decent this season, but coaching and personnel losses have many of us wondering if we might step backwards.
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