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Post by DOOMS on Jan 27, 2016 13:15:53 GMT -5
Can't be any worse than what he'll see in the meac, lol. Or any worse than the competition level our best player (and the best player in the meac) played against in high school.
Food for thought.
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Post by The Professor on Jan 27, 2016 13:37:30 GMT -5
Is there a list yet of those who have already committed
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Post by ohsixrain on Jan 27, 2016 16:27:07 GMT -5
i concur, seems to be rather "physical" too. however, i do have concerns regarding the apparent competition level he played against in his video. but we'll know for sure once he gets to aggieland... Sent from my SCH-I545 using proboards Well he seems to have nice speed, which is the cure at any level. He looks like he's out-running angles, that's the kind of speed that's not taught. AND truth be told, while he looks excellent at receiver, he looks just as good at Safety.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Jan 27, 2016 16:55:49 GMT -5
i concur, seems to be rather "physical" too. however, i do have concerns regarding the apparent competition level he played against in his video. but we'll know for sure once he gets to aggieland... Sent from my SCH-I545 using proboards Well he seems to have nice speed, which is the cure at any level. He looks like he's out-running angles, that's the kind of speed that's not taught. AND truth be told, while he looks excellent at receiver, he looks just as good at Safety. i agree with your assessment, his speed really looks good. i’m not doubting his abilities at all. just that sometimes its difficult to determine how good an athlete really is if you don’t have a good feel for the quality of the opponents he’s going against. had he played high school football in the state of florida, texas, or even georgia, i’d be a lot less concerned because of the quality of football played in those states. i mean, other than randy moss and a few others, the state of west virginia isn’t exactly known for the quality of their high school football and the players they produce. but don’t get me wrong, i’m not saying that the competition he faced wasn’t legit. i’m just saying that i don’t know whether it was legit or not. however, i still think he’s a great pickup, regardless of the competition level. cohen didn’t play against great competition in high school and look how he turned out?
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Post by saabman on Jan 27, 2016 17:11:25 GMT -5
i concur, seems to be rather "physical" too. however, i do have concerns regarding the apparent competition level he played against in his video. but we'll know for sure once he gets to aggieland... Sent from my SCH-I545 using proboards [/quot After watching his tape a few times ! I thank he is a far better Safety then Receiver ! He has quickness and fair speed (not a burner like Moss, but football speed/deceptive speed) . Dude can jump out of the gym too! I see a Safety with size !
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Post by thefriscotxaggie on Jan 27, 2016 17:19:48 GMT -5
I agree the talent is there is just how fast he adjust to talent on both sides of the ball will determine if he sees the field or needs a redshirt. At 6'3 208 I could easily see him adding and inch and 20 pounds and killing it as a redshirt freshman...I am less concerned if he plays next year or not because really good programs dont play freshman at all unless they are guaranteed to be an impact player...because the kid will be even better the next year
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Post by Aggie Monster on Jan 28, 2016 8:40:10 GMT -5
Well he seems to have nice speed, which is the cure at any level. He looks like he's out-running angles, that's the kind of speed that's not taught. AND truth be told, while he looks excellent at receiver, he looks just as good at Safety. i agree with your assessment, his speed really looks good. i’m not doubting his abilities at all. just that sometimes its difficult to determine how good an athlete really is if you don’t have a good feel for the quality of the opponents he’s going against. had he played high school football in the state of florida, texas, or even georgia, i’d be a lot less concerned because of the quality of football played in those states. i mean, other than randy moss and a few others, the state of west virginia isn’t exactly known for the quality of their high school football and the players they produce. but don’t get me wrong, i’m not saying that the competition he faced wasn’t legit. i’m just saying that i don’t know whether it was legit or not. however, i still think he’s a great pickup, regardless of the competition level. cohen didn’t play against great competition in high school and look how he turned out? I'll say it for you oleschool. West Virginia football is sub-par. I dont believe the states you named are any better than 4A football in NC though. NC football programs are legit. Come on man, you went to New Bern!
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Jan 28, 2016 12:39:02 GMT -5
i agree with your assessment, his speed really looks good. i’m not doubting his abilities at all. just that sometimes its difficult to determine how good an athlete really is if you don’t have a good feel for the quality of the opponents he’s going against. had he played high school football in the state of florida, texas, or even georgia, i’d be a lot less concerned because of the quality of football played in those states. i mean, other than randy moss and a few others, the state of west virginia isn’t exactly known for the quality of their high school football and the players they produce. but don’t get me wrong, i’m not saying that the competition he faced wasn’t legit. i’m just saying that i don’t know whether it was legit or not. however, i still think he’s a great pickup, regardless of the competition level. cohen didn’t play against great competition in high school and look how he turned out? I'll say it for you oleschool. West Virginia football is sub-par. I dont believe the states you named are any better than 4A football in NC though. NC football programs are legit. Come on man, you went to New Bern! i’ll be honest, monster. the main reason i questioned the competition level is because his highlight video displayed that he runs a 4.55 forty which ain’t bad at all, but it isn’t “blazing fast” either. that’s just under a 4.6 forty and 4.6 speed is pretty “average” for a starting wr at the 4a/3a high school level in north carolina. however, on his video he was “blowing by” folks, even beating out guys who had an “angle on him”. when you beat guys who have an angle on you, that says that either you’re very fast or that they’re average to somewhat “slow”. so to me, either dude is faster than 4.55 (which is very possible), or the competition isn’t up to par compared to top high school programs. i mean, on his video he looks to have 4.4 speed (or better) rather than 4.55 speed and that’s why i questioned the competition level. and i agree that north carolina 4a ball is legit, and the top 3a squads are legit also. but i wouldn’t put them in the same class as florida and texas high schools. historically, those states have been the recruiting hot bed for almost every college conference in the country. also, almost “none” of the public school teams anywhere in the country can compare to a lot of the “private school” teams like the wcac teams here in the dc area because private schools have no boundaries and can recruit guys from anywhere...
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Jan 28, 2016 13:11:33 GMT -5
one thing for absolutely sure, given how “physical” this kid is, he may be a far better prospect at the safety position at the fcs level. he definitely has the “size and speed”, but most of all this dude will flat out “blow yo azz up”!! he made some very “violent” collision hits in his defensive highlights and seemed to actually “enjoy” the collisions. ideal for a safety in my opinion...
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Post by Aggie Monster on Jan 28, 2016 15:56:45 GMT -5
I agree with you oleschool as far as team wise. I was speaking more about individual athletes in NC. These superpowers that these "private" schools put together in those states are ridiculous and illegal in NC for football. Especially on the eastern side of NC.
Wake County(the states largest district) would never let a school grow enough before it builds another one down the road to break the schools population up. That's the difference between us and say Texas. We have 5 schools all within a 10 mile radius, while Texas has 1 school with triple the amount of students and there isn't another school for 25 miles. It's just a numbers game. Of course their teams will look better. But we produce just as many individual athletes in the college level as those states.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Jan 28, 2016 16:40:00 GMT -5
I agree with you oleschool as far as team wise. I was speaking more about individual athletes in NC. These superpowers that these "private" schools put together in those states are ridiculous and illegal in NC for football. Especially on the eastern side of NC. Wake County(the states largest district) would never let a school grow enough before it builds another one down the road to break the schools population up. That's the difference between us and say Texas. We have 5 schools all within a 10 mile radius, while Texas has 1 school with triple the amount of students and there isn't another school for 25 miles. It's just a numbers game. Of course their teams will look better. But we produce just as many individual athletes in the college level as those states. i dunno, monster. i think florida and texas are on a whole different level than most other states. i haven’t checked recently but when i last checked, florida and texas produced way more d1 football players than all the other states except maybe for california. imo, those states are “high school football crazy”. some of their high school stadiums are as big or bigger than many fcs stadiums. and i think another advantage that florida and texas has is “climate”. they’re both relatively warm weather states, so their football players can train outdoors virtually “year round”. and heck, based on the all time shrine bowl results, even south carolina is a better high school football state than north carolina. albeit, north carolina beat the crap out of south carolina this past season, but usually its the other way around. here’s a link to a website i just pulled up that ranks the states that produce the most top d1 prospects and to no surprise, florida, texas, and california ranked 1, 2, and 3, respectively. but north carolina is a very impressive #10 and south carolina is #11. by the way, west virginia is ranked “dead last” tied with idaho and hawaii. also no surprise that georgia is #4. pretty interesting, here’s the link... athlonsports.com/college-football/recruiting-ranking-most-talented-states-country1. Florida 17 33 29 41 33 153 2. Texas 16 27 27 25 27 122 3. California 9 21 29 22 23 104 4. Georgia 6 13 17 17 14 67 5. Ohio 5 9 10 8 11 43 6. Alabama 8 7 4 6 9 34 7. Pennsylvania 6 7 8 4 7 32 8. Louisiana 1 9 5 10 4 29 9. Virginia 4 9 5 4 6 28 10. North Carolina 1 5 4 9 7 26 11t. Michigan 4 5 6 5 4 24 11t. South Carolina 3 7 7 4 3 24 13t. Illinois 3 4 4 5 4 20 13t. Mississippi 1 5 4 5 5 20 15. Maryland/DC 1 4 4 4 5 18
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Post by thefriscotxaggie on Jan 28, 2016 16:44:11 GMT -5
Monster / Oldschool,
I live in N. Texas and some of the area schools systems have chosen to level the playing field I live in Frisco....120,000 people with 7 high 5A high schools....The next town over which I am sure you are familiar with is Allen - one high school for over 100,000 people. Allen plays in the top Division 6A
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Jan 28, 2016 16:52:06 GMT -5
this a quote that came from the link i posted and i agree wholeheartedly with the author;
Simply put, the Southeast cares more about college football than any other region of the country.
that's why the swac always leads the nation in fcs attendance...
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Post by Aggie Monster on Jan 28, 2016 16:52:40 GMT -5
I think the chart was a good effort and I guess you have to have some form of formula to figure out where the best recruits come from. Has lots of holes though. It compiles the top 200 athletes each year based on different web sites star rankings. It's not actually Div1 scholarship offerings. Thats the chart I want to see. How many scholarships are offered by FBS schools by state. What i've learned is that the Florida/Texas kids always rank higher because of the reason you just said. The combines are held in those states. They have very high representation at these combines.
I get what you saying, but its a lot of factors. I'm basing mine on the years I spent tracking NC kids and how on par they were with other state's best athletes. It wasn't much difference.
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Post by Aggie Monster on Jan 28, 2016 16:54:01 GMT -5
Monster / Oldschool, I live in N. Texas and some of the area schools systems have chosen to level the playing field I live in Frisco....120,000 people with 7 high 5A high schools....The next town over which I am sure you are familiar with is Allen - one high school for over 100,000 people. Allen plays in the top Division 6A That was my point. In NC we level the playing field, No school would ever get close to that kind of student population. I myself live within a 10-12 minute drive of 5 high schools. Imagine if it was just 1 big school instead. the football team would be a small college and the stadium/facilities would have to be also.
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