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Post by aggieepower1990 on Dec 13, 2015 15:48:52 GMT -5
We commit too many basketball Cardinal sins. Down six and the pg makes a not so smart pass to the wing for a turnover and layup. A lack of fundamentals. However we are still in the game even with 3-4 unforced turnovers. Not a bad showing.
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Post by neighborhoodsuperstar on Dec 13, 2015 15:58:45 GMT -5
This was a winnable game......Cy Alexander's principles on how to attack a zone are just bad. It's been that way for 4 years. Make no mistake, we have the players/talent to win. We do well vs man-to-man.....but as soon as a zone gets thrown at us, we wilt. Look board, this team has potential to win 15-20 games. Cy has to figure out a way to handle zone defenses. If he or this staff doesn't figure this out...we're toast..... ......AND JUST BECAUSE A TEAM PLAYS A ZONE DOESN'T MEAN YOU HAVE TO RELY UPON HITTING 3-POINTERS....
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Post by AggieGroove on Dec 13, 2015 16:01:55 GMT -5
A&T - 60 ECU - 71
Final
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Post by aggie82 on Dec 13, 2015 16:02:46 GMT -5
You need shooters to beat a zone and that is not on Coach Cy. Not impressed at all with ECU; with all of the great facilities and the money that they have, it's still a tough place to recruit.
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Post by neighborhoodsuperstar on Dec 13, 2015 16:05:44 GMT -5
You don't need shooters to beat a zone.....you need to have a person sit in the middle of it, who knows exactly what to do with the ball when he gets is. Bruce could kill in a 2-3 zone, if it was preached to him that he shoots the ball near the free throw line or if he pump fakes, drives to the rim, and passes to another big as the defense collapses on him.
I repeat.....you do not need shooters to beat a zone.
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Post by aggieepower1990 on Dec 13, 2015 16:14:49 GMT -5
We were able to attack the interior of the zone a little in the first half and had success but we were not consistently. We settled for the 3 and died by it. This team should make some noise in the MEAC.
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Post by saabman on Dec 13, 2015 18:50:32 GMT -5
You don't need shooters to beat a zone.....you need to have a person sit in the middle of it, who knows exactly what to do with the ball when he gets is. Bruce could kill in a 2-3 zone, if it was preached to him that he shoots the ball near the free throw line or if he pump fakes, drives to the rim, and passes to another big as the defense collapses on him. I repeat.....you do not need shooters to beat a zone. To be truthful you need both!! If your going to beat a zone.
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Post by neighborhoodsuperstar on Dec 13, 2015 18:55:23 GMT -5
The ECU team I saw today would get 4-5 losses in the MEAC if they played a full MEAC schedule (home and away). If A&T had a home-and-home with them, I would like our chances to beat them at Corbett......we gotta find a way to consistently be good against the zone defense. If Cy figures this out, we're a legitimate threat to finish in the top 2-3 in the MEAC. Hell, I'll go a step further.....we're a 20-win team if we understood the concepts of a zone offense. Cy has gotta find a way to crack a 2-3......
My recommendation ----- Syracuse is known nation-wide for their 2-3 zone.....they're losing now. All we have to do is look at how other teams are attacking Syracuse's vaunted 2-3 zone and incorporate it into our gameplan.
I'm still disappointed in how this team just falls apart when a team applies the 2-3 zone on us. This is a fundamental defense all teams need to have an idea on how to attack.....if we learn how to ---- we're a top level MEAC team flirting with 20 wins.
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Post by aggiepride73 on Dec 13, 2015 19:30:39 GMT -5
Yes it was a winnable game. Seems like they broke down in the 2n half. I was in attendance and from the lil bit I saw A&T was making careless turnovers. Very sloppy passing. Then you leaving guys open for 3's. ECU did enough to win but didn't impress me at all. Wish there could have been more A&T support atleast for the students/fans that reside in NC. I get so sick of that no playing pep band and that dance team they have. lol They need to start bringing the pep band and cheerleaders! It would make a lot better atmosphere!
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Post by ohsixrain on Dec 13, 2015 22:11:23 GMT -5
There are several ways to attack a zone defense. Your wing players should be able to handle the ball well enough to attack the gaps in the zone...that collapses the zone which leaves the playet with options. Pull up mid-range jumper, pass to the interior or kick out for a 3...good spacing, crisp passing and driving the gaps will beat a zone. You have to be strong with the ball too...cannot drive the gaps and get your pocket picked. If you don't believe me, see Duke...oh God, I threw up in my mouth. Now before everyone jump on me about, where are not Duke...I know but, their concept of attacking the zone could be a start.
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Post by neighborhoodsuperstar on Dec 13, 2015 22:40:43 GMT -5
OSA and I had a disagreement in the past about how you break a zone......to me, it didn't matter who's approach was right or better. The only thing that mattered to me was that CY'S APPROACH was correct. Fast forward to December 2015; our zone offense is as ineffective as it has always been. As a coach, when you see your approach is ineffective, you look at other programs and see what they do when faced with a zone.
I'd be looking at teams like Duke, Kentucky, Kansas, etc to see how they handle zone defenses. You also have to look at schools who are dedicated to the 2-3 zone (ie. Syracuse) to see what they do to make it successful and what teams have done to thwart it.
Before folks start saying "why Duke or Kentucky; we don't have their caliber of players."........we may not have their caliber of player, but we study their approach in how they break the 2-3 zone down.....JUST LIKE WHAT YOU SAID OHSIX!!!
Furthermore, the caliber of player we will face will not be as great either......so their approach would work on our level as the talent level on both sides of the ball is not as great. This ain't about talent - this is about how to execute. We just don't understand how to attack a zone. I hate to keep harping on it, but a coach with Cy's experience has gotta know how to attack a zone. The fact that we're still talking about the same problem 1-2 years later is a problem.
Our ineffectiveness when faced with a 2-3 zone is what will prevent this team from being the good MEAC team it has the potential to be.
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Post by ohsixrain on Dec 14, 2015 9:11:56 GMT -5
I can agree...I think now it is clear that talent is not the problem with this team. Motivation, execution and coaching are the key factors that will stop this team. Even though the first two are the coaches responsibility. We can play with any team on our level, we have to learn how to finish and understand situational basketball. Right now it looks like Howard has one of the better teams in the conference, and we managed to beat them so talent isn't the problem.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Dec 14, 2015 16:29:51 GMT -5
i just finished watching an entire replay of the ecu game and i saw “nothing” that’s fundamentally wrong with coach cy’s approach to zone offense, nothing whatsoever. they attacked the zone just the way you’re supposed to attack the zone and that’s by penetrating the “gaps” either by pass or dribble, or shooting over the top. beckford made several baskets receiving entry passes through the gaps both from the high post and the low post. and he also nicely “assisted” burrough for 2 points after receiving an entry pass near the high post and dumping a nice bounce pass to the low post.
so there’s simply no truth to the notion that coach cy’s zone offensive principles are flawed, just no truth to that whatsoever. i watched the entire game and saw for myself that he’s attacking the zone exactly the way you’re supposed to. the only problem i saw were a few bad decisions by a couple of the players like hunt dribble penetrating a gap and leaving his feet before he knew what he was gonna do with the ball and burrough trying to “dribble” after receiving an entry pass to the low post. but those are player mistakes, not flaws in the zone offense.
again, there’s more than one way to skin a pig. but in “principle”, the way to beat a zone (“any” zone) is by penetrating the “gaps” either by pass or dribble, or shooting over the top and that’s exactly what coach cy’s zone offense does...
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Post by ghost2 on Dec 15, 2015 1:44:20 GMT -5
I agree if its a full court zone press once the ball is in bound the player looks immediately up court before he even dribbles the ball. Ball movement with passes is the key. You use your Guards that can push the ball forward. If its a half court Press you make them play a real Press by penetrating every now and then. Good observation (SUPERSTAR). PS all this must be rehearsed in PRACTICE for these situations to work.
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Post by ghost2 on Dec 15, 2015 2:12:33 GMT -5
ITS great to hear some of the feed back on A&T Game observations. There lots of veteran players out there that really know this game. I can tell that you were Ball Players not guys who played basketball. As I look around the league I see higher major teams beating lower teams by 10 or so points when these teams are so close in Talent. Seems like Coaching would make a world of difference. With the 3 point shot ruled your still in the game even down by 12 or 13 with 5min left (If you've coached your team well for situation).I (PRAY)That all of this advise is being considered (SERIOUSLY). GO AGGIES (I GOTCHABACK) CONTINUE TO WANT IT!
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