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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2015 20:10:18 GMT -5
What if we depart the MEAC and just be on independent status in football only? I think this will work in our favor. This will allow us to compete freely and establish our true value as a program. It would be best to be invited to another conference.
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Post by Gator on Mar 20, 2015 20:22:47 GMT -5
Naborhood,
Nothing is guaranteed! You gain nothing when you don't attempt to do some things different or take risk. When you've been doing something so long and not flourishing or benefiting, it's time to do things different, that includes taking risk. Many of us are tired of the same'ol claims of what we can't do. Let's start focusing on the necessary steps to take so we can get to a point to what we can do. One game at a time, if that includes hosting and winning a playoff game, so be it. After witnessing how we played and almost beat the number 3 team in the nation last year, it gives many of us hope and the belief we're moving in the right direction to go above and beyond were we've gone before. Steps have been taken and moves have been made. No is not the time to restrict or minimize those moves, which is what the conference is doing.
To much apprehension for me!
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Post by Gator on Mar 20, 2015 20:30:44 GMT -5
Westcoast,
I agree, it is best to be invited. But, that still doesn't mean we can't survive being an independent in the football category. As long as we stay competitive, the invites will come. Once the six years of this bowl contract is up, maybe we'll consider coming back. This way our recruiting won't suffer due to not competing for a national championship. We no longer can use that phrase when recruiting throughout NC and other areas.
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Post by oldschool on Mar 20, 2015 21:27:24 GMT -5
I'm not sure if the hosting argument holds-up anymore. Ask North Dakota State if hosting games doesn't hold up. Ask Appalachian State if hosting all of those games during its runs didn't hold up. I said it when it was discussed months ago, hosting games doesn't guarantee playoff victories, but I think we are being naive if we think travelling up and down the road to other people's stadiums from the jump is a recipe for playoff success. Many of the MEAC teams simply haven't been good enough to beat the better teams in the FCS......whether it be at home, neutral or away. However, if A&T wins the MEAC in football and our program is seriously trying to do whatever possible to increase our chances of winning a playoff game, you realistically cannot tell me that you would like our chances better playing at someone else's home. I just don't buy that one. To me, it's about doing whatever possible to enhance your chances of winning. GIVE ME AGGIE STADIUM FOR ROUND ONE OF THE PLAYOFFS PLEASE.... NSS , i think he was making the point that MEAC schools have hosted playoff games , BCU and SCSU ,to be exact . Plus we don't have the option of going to the Celebration Bowl and the playoffs , as you suggested , since the home office has given up the AQ .
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Post by neighborhoodsuperstar on Mar 20, 2015 21:44:27 GMT -5
Naborhood, Nothing is guaranteed! You gain nothing when you don't attempt to do some things different or take risk. When you've been doing something so long and not flourishing or benefiting, it's time to do things different, that includes taking risk. Many of us are tired of the same'ol claims of what we can't do. Let's start focusing on the necessary steps to take so we can get to a point to what we can do. One game at a time, if that includes hosting and winning a playoff game, so be it. After witnessing how we played and almost beat the number 3 team in the nation last year, it gives many of us hope and the belief we're moving in the right direction to go above and beyond were we've gone before. Steps have been taken and moves have been made. No is not the time to restrict or minimize those moves, which is what the conference is doing. To much apprehension for me! If the conference was successful in winning playoff games, I really don't thing the Legacy Bowl discussion would even be in play.......but it is. Personally, I'd rather compete in the playoffs.......but, I have to be realistic about this. If Earl Hilton ain't interested in cutting the NCAA a check for a home game and wants our football team to always travel to someone else's stadium come playoff time, that is illogical thinking. We barely beat a 1-11 Elon team at Rhodes Stadium. We barlely beat a 4-8 Appalachian team at Mountaineer Stadium last year. All of our past playoff games were......ON THE ROAD: Ga Southern 52, A&T 21 (1986) Citadel 44, A&T 0 (1992) A&T 24, Tenn St 10 (1999 - Tenn St didn't have their starting QB to play) Youngstown St 41, A&T 3 (1999) Wofford 31, A&T 10 (2003) Based upon recent and past history, when we step out of Aggie Stadium against quality OOC, we usually get our heads beat in. Even when we step out of Aggie Stadium to play marginal OOC competition, we struggle to win. It doesn't seem as if the playoffs will be in our future any time soon, but if they ever are to be (there's no guarantee the Legacy Bowl won't flop just like the Heritage Bowl did)......we have to put in money for a home playoff game. Our history virtually dictates that this has to be done if we are to win. Hell, we didn't even beat Coastal Carolina at home....and they turned the ball over 5 times. This argument may be all moot now......but if we ever get into the playoffs again and our AD at the time makes no attempt to pay for a home game.....I'm sorry, but that's an AD who isn't putting our program in the best possible situation to win. The past has clearly shown us......when we travel in the playoffs, we get the living hell beat out of us. I'm not down with the Greyhound Playoff Plan we've adopted ALL TIMES BEFORE.....
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Post by kb31 on Mar 20, 2015 22:05:04 GMT -5
INSANE-DOING THE SAME THING OVER AND OVER AND EXPECTING DIFFERENT RESULTS....the meac has been doing the same thing OVER AND OVER...and it is NOT WORKING....it is time to try something new.
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Post by DECKS on Mar 20, 2015 22:20:16 GMT -5
You must have forgotten about the string of failed hbcu bowl games? Lol, anyone remember the Gold Bowl?
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Post by KidHeartless on Mar 21, 2015 1:08:03 GMT -5
INSANE-DOING THE SAME THING OVER AND OVER AND EXPECTING DIFFERENT RESULTS....the meac has been doing the same thing OVER AND OVER...and it is NOT WORKING....it is time to try something new. lets try something new...... AND go to the playoff teams...more teams...more exposure...more branding opportunities.....tell me thats not COMMON SENSE
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Post by DOOMS on Mar 21, 2015 7:11:39 GMT -5
You guys might not be ready for this.
The last time we beat a pwc that ended its season with a winning record was 1993. We beat a 6-5 Western Carolina team and a 6-5 Liberty team with what was one of our best teams in school history. That's over 20 years ago. There might be one cat on our current team that was ALIVE then.
Coach Broadway, a very, very good coach, has never won a playoff game (even had one at home) and never beaten a pwc that ended the season with a winning record. NEVER.
Funny you should mention failed hbcu bowl games Decks. What about the failed attempts at beating a pwc? We have a much longer history in that.
I can't say with any certainty that Broadway is building a team to compete in the playoffs since he's never actually won there.
It's one thing to want to opportunity to compete for a national championship. It's a whole different kettle of fish to say we actually have a snowball's chance in hell of even making it out of the first round. It costs way more money than we have to spend. The costs are even higher for us since we ain't about to out-recruit the average pwc for white kids, or black kids, or any other race of kids.
If we do move conferences we have to be prepared to outspend the conference we move to ACROSS THE BOARD. Otherwise, ATL here we come...
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Post by marchingband1969 on Mar 21, 2015 8:56:13 GMT -5
You guys might not be ready for this. The last time we beat a pwc that ended its season with a winning record was 1993. We beat a 6-5 Western Carolina team and a 6-5 Liberty team with what was one of our best teams in school history. That's over 20 years ago. There might be one cat on our current team that was ALIVE then. Coach Broadway, a very, very good coach, has never won a playoff game (even had one at home) and never beaten a pwc that ended the season with a winning record. NEVER. Funny you should mention failed hbcu bowl games Decks. What about the failed attempts at beating a pwc? We have a much longer history in that. I can't say with any certainty that Broadway is building a team to compete in the playoffs since he's never actually won there. It's one thing to want to opportunity to compete for a national championship. It's a whole different kettle of fish to say we actually have a snowball's chance in hell of even making it out of the first round. It costs way more money than we have to spend. The costs are even higher for us since we ain't about to out-recruit the average pwc for white kids, or black kids, or any other race of kids. If we do move conferences we have to be prepared to outspend the conference we move to ACROSS THE BOARD. Otherwise, ATL here we come... Thanks Doom for doing the research about our track record with PWC's and the playoff. I don't think we should necessarily quit the playoff just because we have never won or we never have a chance of winning a championship but...if we are not going to fully fund a team that can host the games and win it all, we are not going to make money. My grip about the playoff is...1. We get zero exposure 2. We make zero dollars 3. We play in places where we will rarely if ever recruit many students 4. We get creamed by better funded and talented teams.
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Post by neighborhoodsuperstar on Mar 21, 2015 9:13:26 GMT -5
Hell, I'm wondering if Broadway can even beat Buddy Pugh (SCSU) and Jerry Mack (NCCU).....I'm not saying that because I'm not in favor of the playoffs......but in order to get into the playoffs, we have to beat these teams before we even start worrying about the Liberties, Coastal Carolinas, and North Dakota State's of the world.
Anyway, I can stomach a Soul Bowl HBCU game, just as long as we are still playing top-nothched FCS competition during the regular season. I don't think abandoning the playoffs means we need to go back to filling up our schedule with the likes of playing JCSU,VUL, West Virginia State, and Chowan. If this happens, I'm really going to lose complete interest in Aggie football.
All of this is frustrating to me, as it is to many others. I guess I would have at least liked to have seen what a Broadway-led Aggie team could have done in the playoffs before this bowl game was shoved down our throats. That Central game last year really killed us. Beating Central would have gotten us into the playoffs. The playoff taste would have really given Aggie Nation an idea of how good we are and what would be in our best interests moving forward. Yes, SCSU, Delaware St, BCU and Hampton have all failed miserably in the playoffs recently, but I really don't care to project their playoff futility onto us and what we could potentially accomplish in the playoffs. When evaluating everything, I don't think there is truly one perfect answer to this playoff vs HBCU bowl question.
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Post by kb31 on Mar 21, 2015 10:42:36 GMT -5
kidheartless...more exposure, plz explain...did you not see this game will be on ESPN...the first two or three rounds get shown on espn3...the internet...
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Post by KidHeartless on Mar 21, 2015 10:57:45 GMT -5
kidheartless...more exposure, plz explain...did you not see this game will be on ESPN...the first two or three rounds get shown on espn3...the internet... I heard & read perfectly. I was speaking from the standpoint of the entire conference. Winning playoff games & beating the SWAC could & SHOULD be MEAC goals. Proving you're the dominant HBCU conference can be just as important as making a playoff push. And what better way for the conference to prove...than to do what? Play in both.... *drops mic*
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Post by kb31 on Mar 21, 2015 11:23:32 GMT -5
Can you name the conference north Dakota State is in??or some other teams in their conference? without looking it up
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Post by KidHeartless on Mar 21, 2015 11:33:42 GMT -5
the MVC....one of the most dominant conferences in the country. the FCS champ game had 2 MVC teams in it did it not? after spending time on the AGS board...you kinda pick up on that....if your point was to prove how many average people will know that about an FCS team. you'll win that with most "normal" fans....
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