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Post by Aggie Monster on Mar 19, 2015 9:52:20 GMT -5
Is Hampton not playing Kentucky today? This isn't segregation. This is one game on National TV that gives both conferences much needed EXPOSURE. A free three hour commercial on TV and we are complaining. How did those playoff trips that nobody watched help market and brand SCSU? Enrollment is declining for the majority of HBCUs. Kids don't know about us and we want to just keep on with the same status quo. Y'all are making way too much out of game that history says we'll only participate in once every 10 years or so... It is segregation...... We have segregated ourselves from the FCS national title chase. Our kids are playing for a MEAC title and a celebration bowl title. They have no chance to compete with the other FCS schools for the national title. The reason i'm upset cause in my mind it makes us look as if we aren't good enough and have to create something to win. Why are spending money on facilities if not to compete with teams on the FCS level? Why are we spending money on top coaches if we aren't going to be competing with all of FCS. It makes no sense to make this huge push to be competitive and now we are regulated to just the MEAC. I say if we are going to truly embrace this, Then it should be done across the board in all sports. There should be a HBCU Division playoff in basketball, baseball, volleyball, etc. It makes no sense to me to compete for a national championship in those sports and not football I have one question in response to this. Have you actually considered that this is what the conferences NEED to do and not what they want to do? Its hard out here for a pimp
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Post by saabman on Mar 19, 2015 10:24:01 GMT -5
It is segregation...... We have segregated ourselves from the FCS national title chase. Our kids are playing for a MEAC title and a celebration bowl title. They have no chance to compete with the other FCS schall s for the national title. The reason i'm upset cause in my mind it makes us look as if we aren't good enough and have to create something to win. Why are spending money on facilities if not to compete with teams on the FCS level? Why are we spending money on top coaches if we aren't going to be competing with all of FCS. It makes no sense to make this huge push to be competitive and now we are regulated to just the MEAC. I say if we are going to truly embrace this, Then it should be done across the board in all sports. There should be a HBCU Division playoff in basketball, baseball, volleyball, etc. It makes no sense to me to compete for a national championship in those sports and not football i totally agree 100%... Ivy league schools do not participate in the playoffs but yet they have had ranked teams in the FCS and are relevant when it comes to producing players that play at the next level after college. I just think that we are making this bigger then it is. All Games are relevant, All teams we play are relevant. Playing Coastal Carolina, Elon, UNC or teams from the CIAA are all relevant games. The most important factors in this are to win the games that we do play .
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Post by aggierattler on Mar 19, 2015 10:24:28 GMT -5
Stop complaining and support it... You guys chose to go to A&T which is all black..that's segregated correct?... ... You lost all creditability with me with that statement. "You guys?" "All Black?" Really, KB31?? Are you one of the trolls left over from the CCU football game last September? No...North Carolina A&T State University is not an ALL-BLACK university...we are a HISTORICALLY- BLACK institution of higher learning with students of all races. No one associated with any HBCU would even make the statement that you made.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Mar 19, 2015 10:31:04 GMT -5
Ivy league schools do not participate in the playoffs but yet they have had ranked teams in the FCS and are relevant when it comes to producing players that play at the next level after college. I just think that we are making this bigger then it is. All Games are relevant, All teams we play are relevant. Playing Coastal Carolina, Elon, UNC or teams from the CIAA are all relevant games. The most important factors in this are to win the games that we do play . all games aren't relevant to the fcs. who we play from the ciaa has no relevance to the fcs whatsoever. sure guys from the ivy (and the swac for that matter) play at the next level, but that's not my point. when i say "fcs relevant", i mean having a say so in who wins the national championship. we might as well be playing in the naia as far as relevance to the fcs is concerned. the only thing that gave us relevance at the fcs level was our "autobid". without the autobid, we have no fcs relevance as it pertains to the fcs national playoffs...
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Post by saabman on Mar 19, 2015 10:34:29 GMT -5
Stop complaining and support it... You guys chose to go to A&T which is all black..that's segregated correct?... ... You lost all creditability with me with that statement, which makes me believe that you are probably one of the CCU trolls left over from the football game last September. No...North Carolina A&T State University is not an ALL-BLACK university...we are a HISTORICALLY- BLACK institution of higher learning with students of all races. No one associated with any HBCU would even make the statement that you made. A&T is a Diverse Historically Black University as are all HBCU'S! HBCU'S have always opened there door's for other's, and it is always been the students choice to enter them, to obtain a quality education !
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Post by Aggie One on Mar 19, 2015 10:58:57 GMT -5
The questions I will raise when the AD addresses our Gate City Chapter of the AAF on March 30 will be how all of this really came about, how did we vote, what's really in it for us, where does A&T go from here, and are we still committed to compete on a national level in some creditable fashion or have we reconciled ourselves to the notion that we (MEAC and A&T as an individual institution) will take the whatever money is made available in a very finite arena.
These are relevant questions that I believe deserve direct answers.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Mar 19, 2015 11:03:14 GMT -5
It is segregation...... We have segregated ourselves from the FCS national title chase. Our kids are playing for a MEAC title and a celebration bowl title. They have no chance to compete with the other FCS schools for the national title. The reason i'm upset cause in my mind it makes us look as if we aren't good enough and have to create something to win. Why are spending money on facilities if not to compete with teams on the FCS level? Why are we spending money on top coaches if we aren't going to be competing with all of FCS. It makes no sense to make this huge push to be competitive and now we are regulated to just the MEAC. I say if we are going to truly embrace this, Then it should be done across the board in all sports. There should be a HBCU Division playoff in basketball, baseball, volleyball, etc. It makes no sense to me to compete for a national championship in those sports and not football I have one question in response to this. Have you actually considered that this is what the conferences NEED to do and not what they want to do? Its hard out here for a pimp please explain? cuz i don't see anything that says the meac "needs" (meaning its a necessity) to do this. if you're referring to money, well my argument would be that the payoff for this bowl game is "peanuts". we can make way more money than that by just playing 1 single fbs money game that you don't have to share with the rest of the meac. i think this bowl game harms the meac "brand". clearly this move labels the meac as a "quitter" and further labels the meac as an even more "inferior" football conference than ever before...
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Post by The Professor on Mar 19, 2015 11:05:41 GMT -5
It is segregation...... We have segregated ourselves from the FCS national title chase. Our kids are playing for a MEAC title and a celebration bowl title. They have no chance to compete with the other FCS schools for the national title. The reason i'm upset cause in my mind it makes us look as if we aren't good enough and have to create something to win. Why are spending money on facilities if not to compete with teams on the FCS level? Why are we spending money on top coaches if we aren't going to be competing with all of FCS. It makes no sense to make this huge push to be competitive and now we are regulated to just the MEAC. I say if we are going to truly embrace this, Then it should be done across the board in all sports. There should be a HBCU Division playoff in basketball, baseball, volleyball, etc. It makes no sense to me to compete for a national championship in those sports and not football I have one question in response to this. Have you actually considered that this is what the conferences NEED to do and not what they want to do? Its hard out here for a pimp This isn't what the conference needs to do IMO. This is a lazy attempt by people in offices to generate revenue without having true ideas or vision. We are reinventing the same thing that failed 10 yrs ago. Its gonna be a bowl game on ESPNU. At least the Meac / Swac challenge is on regular ESPN. And you say, how do u figure that. It was tweeted out and put out by ESPNU and not ESPN. Our conference leaders need to come up with ways to raise our profile in football and basketball. Create challenges with other conferences so we have guaranteed games so we can show we can compete. It makes no sense not to have a challenge with a conference like the CAA , Big South, Southern , or Sun Belt in basketball. The Big South or CAA in football. We are playing them anyway so why not? Is our conference looking for new sponsors? I personally am aware that Under Armor is interested in getting into HBCU football. Have we looked into it? Have we contacted ADIDAS or other companies about what HBCU ball can do for their bottom line.............. But we all know the answer And ITS NO
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Post by aggierattler on Mar 19, 2015 11:39:51 GMT -5
I have one question in response to this. Have you actually considered that this is what the conferences NEED to do and not what they want to do? Its hard out here for a pimp This isn't what the conference needs to do IMO. This is a lazy attempt by people in offices to generate revenue without having true ideas or vision. We are reinventing the same thing that failed 10 yrs ago. Its gonna be a bowl game on ESPNU. At least the Meac / Swac challenge is on regular ESPN. And you say, how do u figure that. It was tweeted out and put out by ESPNU and not ESPN. Our conference leaders need to come up with ways to raise our profile in football and basketball. Create challenges with other conferences so we have guaranteed games so we can show we can compete. It makes no sense not to have a challenge with a conference like the CAA , Big South, Southern , or Sun Belt in basketball. The Big South or CAA in football. We are playing them anyway so why not? Is our conference looking for new sponsors? I personally am aware that Under Armor is interested in getting into HBCU football. Have we looked into it? Have we contacted ADIDAS or other companies about what HBCU ball can do for their bottom line.............. But we all know the answer And ITS NO AGREED!!!And to add to your statement, "We are reinventing the same thing that failed 10 yrs ago," we are doing that with even more restrictions!! At least in the old Heritage Bowl, the MEAC champion had the choice of going to the bowl game or to the FCS playoffs. With this new bowl, we have no options for our champion.
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Post by DECKS on Mar 19, 2015 11:46:38 GMT -5
I'm surprised and disappointed by Hilton's quote. Probably giving the company line? I doubt if you will hear one single MEAC administrator speak against of this game.
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Post by Aggie One on Mar 19, 2015 11:55:05 GMT -5
I think its too early to tell but I am afraid that this will seriously erode the AAF's ability to increase donations and membership both short and long term.
The university will be hard pressed to convince people to give more and more each year and pay higher ticket prices with a self imposed cap on postseason play in football.
I just re-upped my donation level this morning for 2015 but it left me with an uneasiness and raised serious doubts in my mind about the direction the MEAC has now taken with this move.
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Post by The Professor on Mar 19, 2015 11:59:31 GMT -5
And that's where its really hurt? Why should folks give money to be kings of the negros? I pray we have a great selling pitch coming soon
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Post by Aggie One on Mar 19, 2015 12:09:31 GMT -5
Other than out of a fierce love for A&T, why would someone now fork over a couple of extra thousand dollars or so each year if all we are doing is competing strictly against other HBCU's with very similar athletic funding? I thought the whole point of creating the AAF was to provide increased funding so A&T athletics could compete in Division One, especially on the FCS plain.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Mar 19, 2015 12:19:02 GMT -5
Other than out of a fierce love for A&T, why would someone now fork over a couple of extra thousand dollars or so each year if all we are doing is competing strictly against other HBCU's with very similar athletic funding? I thought the whole point of creating the AAF was to provide increased funding so A&T athletics could compete in Division One, especially on the FCS plain. i totally agree, a1. its bothersome to me too...
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Post by durhamgsoaggie on Mar 19, 2015 12:27:51 GMT -5
Other than out of a fierce love for A&T, why would someone now fork over a couple of extra thousand dollars or so each year if all we are doing is competing strictly against other HBCU's with very similar athletic funding? I thought the whole point of creating the AAF was to provide increased funding so A&T athletics could compete in Division One, especially on the FCS plain. Head of hammer on nail.... This is just one chapter.... not the end, IMHO...
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