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Post by oleschoolaggie on Nov 27, 2013 14:43:41 GMT -5
i disagree that the 30k plus crowds are extinct. i think the 40k to 50k crowds might be history now, but i think 30k plus is still easily achievable depending upon the venue and having it labor day weekend. my “guess” is that a good 25% or so of those big crowds we use to have back in the day were motivated to come because they needed something special to do for the holiday weekend but otherwise wouldn’t go to the game, especially in november. and like i previously stated, a lot of those folks considered the pregame tailgate at carter/finley to be as big an event as the game itself. i don’t know if ya’ll remember, but they use to have a dj, sponsors, and the whole 9 yards out there during the pregame tailgate. plus, folk are more inclined to bring their “families” during labor day weekend than during a random weekend in november.
and to monster’s point, even though they were d2, we were playing nccu “every year” when the aggie/eagle classic was being played in raleigh. so it wasn’t that we hadn’t played nccu in a long time, there never has been a long period to go by when we didn’t play central in football. i think monster is thinking about “basketball” when our games against nccu was suspended long term. but in football, we played central “12” straight years in raleigh and the very last game played there (in 2005), we had about 35k fans there. that’s only 8 years ago and that’s down from an aggie/eagle classic attendance high of almost 50k in ‘97. our “football” rivalry with nccu has never in our entire history been discontinued more than maybe 1 or 2 years, if that. but basketball is a different story.
famu/bcu have a ton of amusement parks, the #1 tourist destination in america to boost their fc attendance and gsu/southern has one of the largest tourist destinations in america to boost the bayou classic. a&t/nccu needs something that entices fans to boost their attendance and its called labor day weekend...
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Post by neighborhoodsuperstar on Nov 27, 2013 15:38:30 GMT -5
I don't care where they put the Aggie-Eagle contest.....but I think folks are fooling themselves if they think we cannot get 20-25K people to this game if it was moved back to Labor Day or during the warmer months of the football season.
From an economic standpoint, it makes no sense to keep this game in November. Why squander your primary, non-homecoming moneymaking game to November when the season has already been determined for the most part? The only time this game will be suspenseful is if both teams are on top of the MEAC, fighting for the MEAC title. Other than that, this is just an ordinary football game in November.
-Promotions won't matter when there's a wind chill factor on game day in November, matching 2 teams who underachieved by most people's accounts. -Ticket prices didn't play a factor into why this game only had 16,000 people. These same ticket prices at Aggie Stadium on Labor Day weekend equals SELLOUT.
I know it seems as if I'm arguing to move the game back.....I'm not. However, from a financial standpoint, I just don't see financially messing up one of our money-maker games by sticking it on a cold November day instead of a Sunny September day.
Folks can argue all they want about how fans should come out to see the Aggies, whether it's 75 degrees or 45 degress.......that's unrealistic. Folks are not going to change their attendance patterns, especially when there is questionable weather, and especially when the 2 teams playing in the contest aren't worldbeaters.
Hey, I was there at Aggie Stadium last Saturday freezing my azz off, watching a lackluster game where I knew going in we were going to beat the Eagles comfortably. The athletic department already has my money. They need to go after the casuaul Triad/Triangle fan's dollars for this game. It's unlikely to be a fruitful exercise in November.
I'm not talking about getting 35K+ people....I'm talking about getting attendance back over 20K+......we are jeopardizing our chances of maximizing profits from an Aggie/Eagle contest by keeping it in November.....
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Post by codeblu78 on Nov 27, 2013 16:57:07 GMT -5
Three quick points:
1. Based on the records of the teams and nothing to play for, I thought 16K was a decent attendance even @ $35
2. Don't think there would be any value added by changing the date. Typically rivalry games are the last game of the season. What if this game came down to winning the conference?
3. FAMU/BCU game is not a good comparison. No.1 tourist destination and the only two major HBCUs in the state. BTW, $40 gen adm
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Post by neighborhoodsuperstar on Nov 27, 2013 17:31:48 GMT -5
You're right - the Florida Classic isn't a good comparison.....it's still 80 degrees in November in Florida. In fact, it was a LOW of 65 degrees this past Saturday in Orlando (the high was 84 degrees). Black folks in Florida ain't no different than the black folks in NC. If that game was pushing 50 degrees and windy, it would have been a whole buncha empty seats looking at one another.
Black folks and cold weather = oIl and vinegar ....THEY DON'T MIX....
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Post by DECKS on Nov 27, 2013 19:04:17 GMT -5
The Florida Classic is a perfect example of declining HBCU football attendance. Ten years ago tha game would sellout at 73,000. Last week they drew 45,000.
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Post by numberonebrave on Nov 27, 2013 19:33:34 GMT -5
(Folks can argue all they want about how fans should come out to see the Aggies, whether it's 75 degrees or 45 degress.......that's unrealistic. Folks are not going to change their attendance patterns, especially when there is questionable weather, and especially when the 2 teams playing in the contest aren't worldbeaters.).............wonder what the crowd was like in BOONE
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Post by neighborhoodsuperstar on Nov 27, 2013 22:08:03 GMT -5
The Florida Classic is a perfect example of declining HBCU football attendance. Ten years ago tha game would sellout at 73,000. Last week they drew 45,000. Times have changed.... -More DI schools in Florida black athletes are now going to (FIU, FAU, USF, UCF) -Those schools are now FBS while BCU and FAMU are still FCS FAMU/BCU ; AAMU/ASU ; Grambling/Southern --- all of these classics are fading simply due to it being the 21st century (segregation is a distant memory) and the major state schools now having the high quality black athletes on their teams. For any of these classic games to still draw over 35-40K is impressive to me. I'm just worried about getting 20K+ people in Aggie Stadium for our major/rivalry games. Trying to do this in cold November will be problematic as we move forward, whether we want to admit it or not.....
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Post by Aggie Monster on Nov 28, 2013 9:48:40 GMT -5
Let me be clear. I'm not saying we could not get over 20K in September. We could easily get a sellout in Aggie Stadium playing the Eagles in September. I'm saying it wont help overall attendance for the year because our last game would suffer if we are not in the title hunt. And I'm saying we cant get 30K because 1)it doesn't hold 30K and they no longer add the BIG bleachers 2)not like it used to be.
I will say this. If we play NCCU in September and are still undefeated in November then that's a win win. Attendance in November would still be decent. On the flip side, if NCCU can get their stuff together and we both go into the last game undefeated it will be an epic Aggie/Eagle, cold or not.
It's been said a million times. We should focus on season tickets sales and corporate box seat sales, not just one game. The rest will take care of itself if we are winning.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Nov 28, 2013 13:17:48 GMT -5
i agree that if both teams are in championship contention for our last game of the season that we'd probably sellout that game even if its cold. a good example of that is that we soldout aggie stadium (an "overflow" crowd) back in '99 when we played famu for the meac championship in mid november and it was pretty cold at that game, though the sun was out that day. great crowd and aggie stadium was literally "packed" that day, plus we won the game. so it can be done in november regardless of who we play. but the chances of us playing nccu in november when the championship is at stake will rarely happen.
i think when its cold, its hard to get folk to leave the warmth of their homes in order to sit outside in the cold. only we "diehard fans" do that without thinking about it. but the casual fan will stay home where its warm and a lot of fans will watch it over the internet instead...
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Post by The Professor on Nov 29, 2013 12:30:23 GMT -5
I don't think it matters who we play on Labor Day , its going to be a big event.
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Post by noexcuses on Dec 4, 2013 15:19:55 GMT -5
Yes football game $$$ too steep for NCCU game as well as Homecoming game;other homecoming events OVER $$$ as well. We have no CONCEPT of compounding effect of lower $$$ multiplied by greater!!! #'s ( that's from Chancellor on Down)..Just Wait for people p'off This year to tell Others about these R I D I C U L O U S $$$ we CHARGE @ gate and for "opportunities" at homecoming to see Washed Up stars of yester year.
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Post by aggieclt on Apr 27, 2014 14:17:01 GMT -5
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Post by saabman on Apr 27, 2014 17:10:57 GMT -5
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Post by Gator on Apr 28, 2014 17:25:59 GMT -5
A few factors are not being considered based on some of the comments I'm reading. I think we've been down this road before. I can appreciate the steps being taken to generate more revenue. With the state of NC continuing to reduce funding support for the its institutions, we can't help but raise prices to build and expend like many that are complaining wanted. If you want more, it's going to cost more. The money is not going to fall off of nobody's tree. Plus, if competing for a championship is in the future, expect to pay ever more in other areas concessions, tickets, tailgate spaces, and parking. For the last three years, I've seen an increase in my season tickets and tailgate pass. If we can get more contributors, maybe the situation will stabilize itself.
I just don't know!
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Post by The Professor on Apr 28, 2014 22:01:33 GMT -5
There is gonna come a point where u can't raise the price up anymore. By then, it might be too late
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