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Post by Gator on Oct 30, 2012 10:01:55 GMT -5
For those of you to blame Renick for the challenges of athletics, in my humble opinion, is just flat wrong. Renick saved the athletic program with funding and support no other President ever has provided. I do admit the hire and decisions of D. Todd (Hunter and Fobbs) were set backs but overall, his body of work made a much bigger impact. In fact, the program continues to grow because to the foundation he laid.
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Post by Trueaggie on Oct 30, 2012 11:11:02 GMT -5
Renick saved the Athletic program; that's the first time I heard that. It sounds like people saying Bush saved the economy; something's people aren't willing to except for what ever reasons.
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Post by pj on Oct 30, 2012 11:12:21 GMT -5
The Brother could be at home with the common folk. He could bring a smile to my face from a distance, when he was dealing. Somewhat like a young Ali shadow-boxing with brother outside of a barber-shop.
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Post by Bigboy on Oct 30, 2012 13:18:26 GMT -5
When Renick hired Dee Todd everyone (well almost everyone) on this site were happier than Coach Sandusky in Boys Town. Dee hired Fobbs, and yes I know, the buck stops at the top. The biggest thing that people blame Renick for is firing Bill Hayes. I talked to him about that this past weekend. He would not give any details but he said it was something that he had to do at that time. We will probably never know the reason for him firing Hayes. One thing I do Know is that a lot of people and companies only decided to give to A&T because of their relationship with Renick. One of A&T's biggest donors told him this past weekend that he was the reason that they decided to give, and they continue to give as of today. The man has a special ability of getting people to give. He has done the same thing at JSU. The track, the lights and the field house were all on the drawing board when he came to A&T but he found ways to get it done where other's had not. The man was not perfect but he knew how to get things done.
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Post by Gator on Oct 30, 2012 13:27:22 GMT -5
I concur completely!!!
Hayes did himself in and left Renick with no choice but fire him (conduct unbecoming).
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Post by Bornthrilla on Oct 30, 2012 16:07:32 GMT -5
From all the inside info I have gathered over the years, the Hayes firing was similar to the Petrino firing at Arkansas. I haven't paid Dooms his retainer fee this month so I don't want to get sued by anyone for libel .... but the firing didn't really have anything to do with football and pretty much every chancellor in America would have pulled the trigger given the facts at hand.
The fact that the real reason behind Hayes' firing is still not public knowledge is a testament to Renick's character and professionalism.
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Post by AggieGroove on Oct 30, 2012 16:26:09 GMT -5
The fact that the real reason behind Hayes' firing is still not public knowledge is a testament to Renick's character and professionalism. And to have Hayes go on to such success after A&T is another testament to Renick as he did not try to ruin Hayes' great reputation! I can respect that!
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Post by The Professor on Oct 30, 2012 17:12:29 GMT -5
Say that again... Hayes would be finished if the information of what he did came out. But everyone still hates on JC Renick and it is what it is........
No chancellor since him has had the heart of the students and the business and community support.....
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Post by aggie2ru on Oct 30, 2012 17:32:20 GMT -5
Say that again... Hayes would be finished if the information of what he did came out. But everyone still hates on JC Renick and it is what it is........ No chancellor since him has had the heart of the students and the business and community support..... He left ummmmmmm..............will he come back???
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Post by DOOMS on Oct 30, 2012 17:47:28 GMT -5
Not with a 37% grad rate that was his own doing (and undoing). Still trying to figure out how he saved athletics by not raising the budget for five consecutive years.
But that's neither here nor there. He's super charismatic and again, honest about his failings if you talk to him. I've talked to him and he's admitted it all.
Man, that dude is so Aggie I ran into him in New Orleans at a Tulane vs. A&T basketball game a few years back. HE DROVE.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2012 18:13:38 GMT -5
From all the inside info I have gathered over the years, the Hayes firing was similar to the Petrino firing at Arkansas. I haven't paid Dooms his retainer fee this month so I don't want to get sued by anyone for libel .... but the firing didn't really have anything to do with football and pretty much every chancellor in America would have pulled the trigger given the facts at hand. The fact that the real reason behind Hayes' firing is still not public knowledge is a testament to Renick's character and professionalism. Yes it was.
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Post by aggie2ru on Oct 30, 2012 18:41:43 GMT -5
Look you guys have been around the block a few times. In situations like the "Wild Bill" firing we don't know the facts. I don't see anything special that was done by Renick in this case. He fired the man and that was it. It happens everyday. Come on man!
As far as putting Hayes' business in the streets....it may not have been advantageous for A&T for it to be public business. The only time a scandal is made public anyway is when it is criminal or civil liability that may come into play. Come on man, I know we've got some sharp brothers on this here board. That's why I say he was the most charismatic chancellor A&T has seen. So, in essence, charisma has some on here blinded by real life facts when they talk about "Big Red" not exposing Hayes.
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Post by aggie2ru on Oct 30, 2012 18:45:51 GMT -5
Not with a 37% grad rate that was his own doing (and undoing). Still trying to figure out how he saved athletics by not raising the budget for five consecutive years. But that's neither here nor there. He's super charismatic and again, honest about his failings if you talk to him. I've talked to him and he's admitted it all. Man, that dude is so Aggie I ran into him in New Orleans at a Tulane vs. A&T basketball game a few years back. HE DROVE. dooms ........he would think you were a fool if he told you it WAS NOT his fault. Of course, he has no choice to admit it because it is true. No points from me on that one. If he was that much of an Aggie he should have stayed. Glad he didn't because our programs are slowly coming back from very poor choices he made.
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Post by DOOMS on Oct 31, 2012 6:36:52 GMT -5
He couldn't stay. He admitted that too. He didn't leave entirely of his own volition. A number of Chancellors of state institutions were "uninvited" due to their overembrace of Molly Broad's edict to get more students no matter what. Many got the message, one or two were outright fired.
Renick had some other things go wrong under his watch, that's how we ended up with Lloyd "clean it up" Hackley as Chancellor telling employees how to whistleblow when they see something wrong.
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Post by Bornthrilla on Oct 31, 2012 7:18:13 GMT -5
Yeah, and you see how well that turned out. After a lengthy and expensive audit, Renick was completely vindicated of any wrongdoing and all those other school officials who were carried out in hand cuffs and had their names dragged through the mud were vindicated also. I can only imagine the amount of money we had to pay in defamation and wrongful termination lawsuits to those people.
Hackley and the Wicked Witch of East Market Street both launched a massive witch hunt to get back at their mortal enemy and they both oversaw a search committee that gave us perhaps the most incompetent chancellor in school history - Stanley Battle.
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