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Post by Aggie Monster on Mar 7, 2012 9:23:19 GMT -5
No i'm really concerned where this money is going to come from? Since 99 we have fired Scandrett , Davis ,Todd , Wheeler as AD. Hayes , Small, Fobbs, Lee in football. Hunter in basketball. I forgot the woman's basketball coach we fired. That's 10 athletic contracts that A&T has bought out in the last 13 years. ( or maybe 9 cause Todd got reassigned) Do you not think that money could have been better spent on the teams? If this was the last year of his contract, i would have him to reapply for the job against other coaches and whomever the best canadiate is wins I feel you on the firings, but all pretty much deserved it except for Hayes. Wheeler was a casualty of a tragic death, but he did make some bad hires. To answer your question about if the money could have been better spent putting it toward the team? In general you shouldn't invest in a bad coach if he is proven to be bad. you are just throwing away money. Let me break each firing down. Small - Inherited a veteran team from Hayes to win the MEAC, but failed in recruiting and our program took a step backwards the following years and our APR woes started under his helm. Deserved to be canned. No way I invest in his team. Fobbs - Dee Todd hire. Was in over his head from day 1. Recruits were really sub-parr. Several ex players hated him because of the quality of talent he was recruiting. i spoke to several. He also didn't help APR. No way I invest in his team. Lee - I actually thought Lee was decent, but he was to loyal to a horrible staff. Didn't know how to hire and delegate properly. For that he deserved to be canned. I would have invested in him if he wasn't so damn stubborn about his staff short comings, but since he was then "deuces". Just wasn't HEAD coach material. What staff publically blames the kids?! That right there had me hot! You take the damn blame. Your the coach. Own your team! Boy I was heated when that staff did that. OK, breathe breathe Hunter - I dont think I need to even address him! |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2012 9:28:24 GMT -5
No i'm really concerned where this money is going to come from? Since 99 we have fired Scandrett , Davis ,Todd , Wheeler as AD. Hayes , Small, Fobbs, Lee in football. Hunter in basketball. I forgot the woman's basketball coach we fired. That's 10 athletic contracts that A&T has bought out in the last 13 years. ( or maybe 9 cause Todd got reassigned) Do you not think that money could have been better spent on the teams? If this was the last year of his contract, i would have him to reapply for the job against other coaches and whomever the best canadiate is wins We can do what Decks said IF we can't/won't/don't buy him out! We did the same thing to Dee Todd. It ain't that complicated but we all, including you Prof. can not sit back and be happy with the guy keeping his current position. |
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Post by The Professor on Mar 7, 2012 9:38:22 GMT -5
I think what Hayes did was inexcuseable. And for that, I'm glad he got fired.
U hit every situation on the head, but again i ask..... In the end did the firings make us better? I think that if until we get a war chest and can fire coaches and have private money to fund the buyout, then we are going to have to lay in the bed we make with hiring coaches. You have to make incentative based contracts and also contracts that spell it out if they are going to get fired.
What if Eaves contract clearly stated he had to have a avg # of wins over the given contract? Or a win perctage against NCCU / WSSU or even how many games should he win at the MEAC tourny. He would know the writing is on the wall. His contract says competitive team, which is really vague. Here again is why i ask for specific goals so it can be spelled out. So if / when they aren't met, proper action can be taken and A&T doesn't come out of pocket
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Post by mthollyaggie98 on Mar 7, 2012 9:39:30 GMT -5
Our AD (Earl Hilton) responded with the following message:
"I certainly appreciate your continued support of our student-athletes, and your concern about our Men’s basketball program. I assure you that we will continue to move forward in a way that provides the best opportunity for our student-athletes to succeed on the court and in the classroom. Thanks again for all that you do toward that end.
EMH"
Very vague....but hopefully something will happen soon. *fingers crossed*
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Post by Aggie Monster on Mar 7, 2012 9:44:30 GMT -5
I think what Hayes did was inexcuseable. And for that, I'm glad he got fired. U hit every situation on the head, but again i ask..... In the end did the firings make us better? I think that if until we get a war chest and can fire coaches and have private money to fund the buyout, then we are going to have to lay in the bed we make with hiring coaches. You have to make incentative based contracts and also contracts that spell it out if they are going to get fired. What if Eaves contract clearly stated he had to have a avg # of wins over the given contract? Or a win perctage against NCCU / WSSU or even how many games should he win at the MEAC tourny. He would know the writing is on the wall. His contract says competitive team, which is really vague. Here again is why i ask for specific goals so it can be spelled out. So if / when they aren't met, proper action can be taken and A&T doesn't come out of pocket Yes the firings did pay off, in the long run. You cant keep bad coaches. Thats the bottom line. You take a chance with every hire you make, but you cant keep bad employees. That's just excepting your place as being bad. There are also factors that non of us are privy to for reasons a coach could be let go. No coach signs a "number of wins" contract. Your talking about stuff that would not fly in ANY coaching circle. i really dont know what Hayes did that was "unacceptable"? I heard about some rumored coeds at one point, but I was talking strictly football. |
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Post by The Professor on Mar 7, 2012 9:44:32 GMT -5
No i'm really concerned where this money is going to come from? Since 99 we have fired Scandrett , Davis ,Todd , Wheeler as AD. Hayes , Small, Fobbs, Lee in football. Hunter in basketball. I forgot the woman's basketball coach we fired. That's 10 athletic contracts that A&T has bought out in the last 13 years. ( or maybe 9 cause Todd got reassigned) Do you not think that money could have been better spent on the teams? If this was the last year of his contract, i would have him to reapply for the job against other coaches and whomever the best canadiate is wins We can do what Decks said IF we can't/won't/don't buy him out! We did the same thing to Dee Todd. It ain't that complicated but we all, including you Prof. can not sit back and be happy with the guy keeping his current position. He has a degree in business and sports management. Where shall he be reassigned too. Dee Todd had a doctorate |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2012 9:45:51 GMT -5
We can do what Decks said IF we can't/won't/don't buy him out! We did the same thing to Dee Todd. It ain't that complicated but we all, including you Prof. can not sit back and be happy with the guy keeping his current position. He has a degree in business and sports management. Where shall he be reassigned too. Dee Todd had a doctorate Reassign him to Phil's old position. |
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Post by The Professor on Mar 7, 2012 10:07:06 GMT -5
Have they not hired anyone for that job yet
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2012 10:21:17 GMT -5
There hasn't been anything coming out about a new hire for a position what was opened about 1 - 2 months ago.
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Post by The Professor on Mar 7, 2012 11:13:16 GMT -5
Interesting , maybe its all apart of the master plan
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Mar 7, 2012 12:21:29 GMT -5
i believe decks is correct. i believe eaves has a clause in his contract that a&t has the right to "reassign" him to another department prior to the end of his contract. if eaves declines, he'll probably void his contract which means we wouldn't have to pay him another dime...
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Post by Bigboy on Mar 7, 2012 13:39:06 GMT -5
Why did you not just name this thread "Now Can We Get Rid of Eaves" rather than calling the brother a "Mofo". Some of us are getting too personal with this subject. Believe me, Martin and Hilton both know very well how everyone (aggies) feel about the BB program and they will deal with it the way they see fit, and their way of seeing things may or may not be the same as we all see it. Everybody need to just calm down and let this thing play it self out are we will all be stressed out over something we have no control over (hiring and firing).
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Post by aggie2ru on Mar 7, 2012 14:25:51 GMT -5
I think what Hayes did was inexcuseable. And for that, I'm glad he got fired. U hit every situation on the head, but again i ask..... In the end did the firings make us better? I think that if until we get a war chest and can fire coaches and have private money to fund the buyout, then we are going to have to lay in the bed we make with hiring coaches. You have to make incentative based contracts and also contracts that spell it out if they are going to get fired. What if Eaves contract clearly stated he had to have a avg # of wins over the given contract? Or a win perctage against NCCU / WSSU or even how many games should he win at the MEAC tourny. He would know the writing is on the wall. His contract says competitive team, which is really vague. Here again is why i ask for specific goals so it can be spelled out. So if / when they aren't met, proper action can be taken and A&T doesn't come out of pocket Eaves has got to go. Point blank, he should not have been given an extension at the recommendation of the last AD period. Meaning he should have been let go at the end of his last contract. I knew that then. The other coaches mentioned previously were all bad hires. We know about all the others and Lee was just a great DC but a very sub par head coach....another bad hire. Hopefully, we will have a new MBB coach that can come in and take us to the next level (despite any obstacles). |
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Post by The Professor on Mar 7, 2012 14:32:47 GMT -5
So you shall put your faith in a group that has given you bad hires since 1999. Yeah that makes sense. Believe and Trust in them , lol
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Post by saabman on Mar 7, 2012 14:38:02 GMT -5
So you shall put your faith in a group that has given you bad hires since 1999. Yeah that makes sense. Believe and Trust in them , lol Good point Professor but Hilton is not part of that group!!! Now if Martin over rules Hilton on the hire then we may still have a problem. |
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