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Post by Aggie Monster on Jan 16, 2012 8:21:10 GMT -5
Good try, we worry about filling Bowman Gray, but dont care about going to Elon or Coastal. See, now thats just black on black crime. Lets fill Elon's stadium up, but crap on the other HBCU. Dont give me that div2 stuff either. Three letters for ya...VUL.
Lets see, let's play Elon and Coastal and get nothing when we go there either and when they come to us the crowd is around 12-14K(if we are winning). But "Hell NO" to bringing in 21K playing WSSU just because they wont give us some of their gate when we go there. What!! Will we get some of Coastal's gate?
The BCS payday makes sense if we can schedule one, but just not playing WSSU cause they might make some money is being high and mighty. Its also self destructive economically. And I didn't say sign a 4 or 6 year home and home. A simple 2 year home and home is fine. You can re-evaluate after year 2. Our history along with the nature of HBCU football leads me to believe that WSSU will still be our best option 2 years from now as well, but the 2 year deal satisfies people who think we'll be selling out Aggie Stadium without it being homecoming or NCCU....yeah right!
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Post by Aggie Monster on Jan 16, 2012 8:31:29 GMT -5
With that being said, at least command that the games be played in Aggie Stadium. We are the only people who, when we finally get the upper-hand, we want to give control back to the other party. Damn! I support Dr. Martin and Hilton in not caving in to the Rams' demands. I dont agree, but I'm curious. How much would you pay WSSU for coming to Aggie Stadium EVERY year? The capacity of Bowman Gray? 1/2 the Capacity of Bowman Gray? The number of tickets sales from their highest attended game(not homecoming)? Or just lowball offer them? And what "upper hand" do we have? They just went deep in the playoffs and probably have the most hype ever coming into this season. We are coming off a mediocre rebuilding year. Seems they have the more leverage than they ever had in the past. And didn't Dee Todd take this approach when she dropped NCCU? I'm not saying we didn't make as much money doing "Classics"(Vegas/Indy) and Wake Forest etc, but it wasn't like we made MORE money either. It was just a different route leading to the SAME result without our best rivalries on the schedule. Again, The BCS route sounds good if we can keep it up every year. We would still have room for 2 other non-conference games which I think one of them should be WSSU.
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Post by Aggie One on Jan 16, 2012 11:41:39 GMT -5
Todd dropping NCCU wasn't about money it was about the after the game fight. Let's not confuse those two issues.
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Post by aggie2008 on Jan 16, 2012 12:01:35 GMT -5
playing teams like Elon or Coastal Carolina will not fill Aggie Stadium whether its our fans or their fans. Majority of A&T's fanbase has no interest in playing those teams, many have never heard of those teams to be honest. But if you say WSSU or NCCU or even JCSU or FSU everybody would rush to Aggie Stadium to result in a nearly sold out and hype atmosphere.. I'm just sayin..
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Post by DECKS on Jan 16, 2012 13:33:24 GMT -5
Name a FBS school that travels to or splits evenly with a FCS team? Name one FCS team that travels to or splits evenly with a D-II team? Our closest comparison would probably be Alabama State vs Tuskeegee who has a much longer standing rivalry than A&T/WSSU. TU basically travels to ASU every year for their homecoming and takes an agreed upon payout. Virginia State vs. Norfolk State ...........VSU travels to NSU for their Labor Day Clasic for a lesser payout. So why should we be the only FCS giving equal consideration to a D-II rival? By dropping to D-II WSSU has fewer coaches to pay & fewer scholarships to fund than us. Keeping that in mind they absolutely should not receive a 50% share. Trust me, they will agree to a lesser share. We just need to agree upon terms. Don't get emotional over business decisions.
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Post by oldschool on Jan 16, 2012 14:32:05 GMT -5
Agree , from an emotional point of view this game makes sense, but from a strictly business view I agree with Decks , Aggierattler , and Aggie One.
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Post by Aggie Monster on Jan 16, 2012 15:39:39 GMT -5
Decks, you are actually getting me wrong. I'm not basing this on emotion at all. I'm looking at this from a STRICTLY money perspective. I could give 2 shakes about playing WSSU to be honest. I watch aggie football regardless if WSSU is on the schedule. We could play High Point and I'm coming. I'm not your average Aggie fan though and neither is anyone on this board. This is all about maximizing our money and they give us the best option. They also let us keep the rivalry for our casual fans. Best of both worlds if you ask me.
Why cant our relationship with WSSU just be unique on its own right? The only thing yall keep saying is, "They are div 2", "They are div 2" . Thats seems to be the emotional approach to me. Where's your financial reasons for not playing them over the next 2 years?
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Jan 16, 2012 15:40:15 GMT -5
Agree , from an emotional point of view this game makes sense, but from a strictly business view I agree with Decks , Aggierattler , and Aggie One. i'm in the same boat, oldschool. it ain't about being high and mighty. its about business sense. even with all the success wssu has had, they still can't fill bowman gray without a&t except last year's homecoming and it took an undefeated record for that to happen. i don't mind a&t going to wssu, but they'd have to come to us first where we get 100% of the proceeds. and if we go to winston, they'd have to give us a guaranteed payment or a fair percentage of the gate...
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Jan 16, 2012 15:44:16 GMT -5
The only thing yall keep saying is, "They are div 2", "They are div 2" . Where's your financial reasons for not playing them over the next 2 years? we bring more fans to the table than they do. when we play them in winston, we bring more fans than what they bring to greensboro. so in other words, they make more money off of us than we make off of them. negotiating more than a 50/50 split simply makes "business sense" regardless of what division wssu is...
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Post by aggierattler on Jan 16, 2012 15:44:41 GMT -5
^^^ Agree 100% with the previous TWO posts.
We didn't kick WSSU out of Division 1...they left on their own accord. If they had left the MEAC to join the Big South, then we'd still be playing.
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Post by Aggie Monster on Jan 16, 2012 15:47:46 GMT -5
The only thing yall keep saying is, "They are div 2", "They are div 2" . Where's your financial reasons for not playing them over the next 2 years? we bring more fans to the table than they do. when we play them in winston, we bring more fans than what they bring to greensboro. so in other words, they make more money off of us than we make off of them. negotiating more than a 50/50 split simply makes "business sense" regardless of what division wssu is... It doesn't make business sense if you cant find another opponent that brings in the same revenue now does it? Find that opponent or a solution that brings in the same revenue and I'll shut up! So far the only thing I've heard that makes sense is playing a "money game". But even then, what about the other 2 non-conference games? Our schedule every other season(for now) should be: - Money Game/Non Conference - WSSU - Non-Conference - MEAC - MEAC etc Now if WSSU is stupid enough to agree to some crazy 70-30 split or agree to come to Aggies Stadium without a return game and a lowball payout then COOL. I'm all for it. Suckers! ......I just dont think they are. They know we cant find another revenue game like them without playing a BCS school. Negotiation is give and take. Are we negotiating with WSSU or are we demanding? Home and home is already on the table. WSSU is trying to get the most out of the game, just like we are. In negotiation both parties should walk away happy. You think WSSU will be happy with 40% of their own gate. Bowman Gray only holds 18K. Yall trying to get away with paying them for 8000 fans at their own place? That's laughable. Maybe yall are saying it wrong cause I just dont get it. How do we go there and get 60% of the gate and then they come to us and get nothing? Since they bring 30% of the crowd to Aggie Stadium do they get 30% of the gate when they come to us? See how crazy that sounds. We make more money than them in this. 21.5K is bigger than 17.5K(capacity at Bowman). They pay for game day rental and no concessions, so it even less for them. Again, we should NOT even care about all that beccause the magic number is 21.5K fans in our pocket. OUR pockets.
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Post by Aggie Monster on Jan 16, 2012 16:21:35 GMT -5
Yall make this same argument for Div1 Elon, so I guess yall are just greedy and want to get over on everyone. Nobody is going to fall for that except schools like VUL, JCSU, etc.
"We bring way more people to their stadium than they bring to us. Let's not play them any more."
No one has even attempted to say what they would pay WSSU if they were to agree to come to Aggie Stadium with no return game?
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Post by DECKS on Jan 16, 2012 17:27:11 GMT -5
Decks, you are actually getting me wrong. I'm not basing this on emotion at all. I'm looking at this from a STRICTLY money perspective. I could give 2 shakes about playing WSSU to be honest. I watch aggie football regardless if WSSU is on the schedule. We could play High Point and I'm coming. I'm not your average Aggie fan though and neither is anyone on this board. This is all about maximizing our money and they give us the best option. They also let us keep the rivalry for our casual fans. Best of both worlds if you ask me. Why cant our relationship with WSSU just be unique on its own right? The only thing yall keep saying is, "They are div 2", "They are div 2" . Thats seems to be the emotional approach to me. Where's your financial reasons for not playing them over the next 2 years? The financial reason for not playing WSSU over the next two years is that we make just as much money playing VUL at home in front of 11,800 fans as we do hosting WSSU at home every other year. That extra home game also gives added value to season ticket packages. Seriously, playing WSSU on a home and home basis does nothing to improve our financials. I think a fair offer would be for them to come to Aggies Stadium every year with a guarantee in the range of $125k - $150k.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Jan 16, 2012 18:19:56 GMT -5
It doesn't make business sense if you cant find another opponent that brings in the same revenue now does it? so let me get this straight. just because we can't find another opponent that brings in the same revenue, we should accept an "unfair" deal with wssu? so in other words, we should allow wssu to "pimp us" because we'll still make money? monster, obviously you're not a businessman. monster, that's not how business works. if you had negotiations with your neighbor to pay him $10 when you played video games at his house, but he only paid you $8 when he played at your house, would you accept it? c'mon, dude. you wouldn't do it, so why should we? its just business. business is about "leverage". if i can show you that i bring more money to you than you bring to me, then a 50/50 deal is unfair. i'm not suggesting what the split should be. i'm just suggesting that we should get more than 50% of whatever deal is agreed on. i'll leave it to the admins to figure out the details...
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Post by Aggie Monster on Jan 16, 2012 18:38:37 GMT -5
It doesn't make business sense if you cant find another opponent that brings in the same revenue now does it? so let me get this straight. just because we can't find another opponent that brings in the same revenue, we should accept an "unfair" deal with wssu? so in other words, we should allow wssu to "pimp us" because we'll still make money? monster, obviously you're not a businessman. monster, that's not how business works. if you had negotiations with your neighbor to pay him $10 when you played video games at his house, but he only paid you $8 when he played at your house, would you accept it? c'mon, dude. you wouldn't do it, so why should we? its just business. business is about "leverage". if i can show you that i bring more money to you than you bring to me, then a 50/50 deal is unfair. i'm not suggesting what the split should be. i'm just suggesting that we should get more than 50% of whatever deal is agreed on. i'll leave it to the admins to figure out the details... Unfair? We are the ones trying to rip them. Not the other way around. we can just agree to disagree cause if you think bringing in 11K to play VUL is adding "value" then you'll never see what I'm seeing. Dont forget that some of that 11K is students and season tickets holders. The WSSU game brings in way more then double PAYING fans. Aint that what this is about, paying fans. We also have to pay VUL. NO WAY 2 of those games are equal WSSU in revenue, just no way. And $125-$150 is a fair number. About all we agree on.
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