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Post by ohsixrain on Jan 9, 2012 17:09:08 GMT -5
Guys...you can talk as if Professor is off base, but in all reality...he is not! I'm not an Eaves fan, but we haven't always given him a fighting chance...when I worked in athletics, you should've seen the salaries his assistants earned. His first year hired he gave back some of his own salary just to be able to hire some decent assistants. Now, can he coach? I say No! Has he been done justly? I say No! So what's the answer...?? So we find a new coach that's good and throw all of that on him and see what you got...I'll tell you...someone looking for the first train out of Greensboro.
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Post by The Professor on Jan 9, 2012 17:52:20 GMT -5
I thank you sir, I wish more were like you and look at the situation objectively
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Post by Aggie Monster on Jan 9, 2012 19:05:40 GMT -5
Ohsix, the reason people are dogging Professor is because he talks as if Eaves would be doing much better if he had more "this" and more "that". He's talking like we are Butler, Gonzaga, or someone like that or in their conference and are just robbing Eaves of his bounty like pirates or something. This is MEAC basketball where the majority of teams are underfunded and budgets are super tight. Deal with it daddy!
He's actually giving a coach a pass because he is "underfunded", but at the same time badgering an AD who hasn't made but 3 hires who so far are working out.
So maybe your fighting the wrong battles. If you think it's administration then I can kind of agree with you there. Underfunding is a problem in the HBCU world. But please stop saying we shouldn't fire Eaves. Dont equate his name alongside what we need to do to get better. He's just NOT part of the solution, even if he wasn't the ENTIRE problem.
So if we fix the stuff professor is complaining about(which I doubt we will) then you think giving Eaves another shot would be the right thing to do? I think not! We've gone pass the point of return with this coach. If an overall change is made in b-ball the coach has to be part of it at this point. Even an underfunded coach can teach his team to properly run his offense. Even an underfunded coach can teach his team to dig in and play some tenacious defense. A well put together intramural team could have ran Carver out the gym!
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Jan 9, 2012 20:01:15 GMT -5
Oleschoolaggie ... I have played organized basketball in the past. I know that players practice shooting free throws at the end of practice most of the time because that is when you are most tired. I know they have other procedures that coaches use to simulate pressure and etc. I was merely stating that these guys have been playing ball probably since they were 6 years old and have had numerous coaches during that time. I know that they have had coaches that have had them practice shooting free throws in the situation they were in the other night. There is know excuse for veteran players to miss free throws when the game is on the line. That has been a trademark of Eaves teams since he has been here. Our players can't perform under pressure whether they practice the situation or not. you're re-enforcing my point. practice of shooting pressure free throws in high school doesn't carry over into college. you can't practice pressure free throws 2 or 3 years ago, stop practicing until you're in college, shoot a pressure free throw in college and expect it to go in. basketball performance is about frequency and repetition. how frequently have you been practicing it and how many repetitions did you practice it? what you practiced 2 or 3 in years ago in high school, doesn't really help you a lot in a game in college. what you've done over the last 4 to 6 weeks determines how you perform in a college game at the present. wow, how could you say somebody learned to shoot pressure free throws in high school, so they should be able to shoot them in college? wow...
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Post by The Professor on Jan 9, 2012 21:45:06 GMT -5
Ohsix, the reason people are dogging Professor is because he talks as if Eaves would be doing much better if he had more "this" and more "that". He's talking like we are Butler, Gonzaga, or someone like that or in their conference and are just robbing Eaves of his bounty like pirates or something. This is MEAC basketball where the majority of teams are underfunded and budgets are super tight. Deal with it daddy! He's actually giving a coach a pass because he is "underfunded", but at the same time badgering an AD who hasn't made but 3 hires who so far are working out. So maybe your fighting the wrong battles. If you think it's administration then I can kind of agree with you there. Underfunding is a problem in the HBCU world. But please stop saying we shouldn't fire Eaves. Dont equate his name alongside what we need to do to get better. He's just NOT part of the solution, even if he wasn't the ENTIRE problem. So if we fix the stuff professor is complaining about(which I doubt we will) then you think giving Eaves another shot would be the right thing to do? I think not! We've gone pass the point of return with this coach. If an overall change is made in b-ball the coach has to be part of it at this point. Even an underfunded coach can teach his team to properly run his offense. Even an underfunded coach can teach his team to dig in and play some tenacious defense. An well put together intramural team could have ran Carver out the gym! Not giving him a pass. EAVES CAN'T COACH. Know plenty of coaches who aren't good coaches but they have good assistants. They make up for what the Head Coach lacks. How am i badgering the AD? Cause i asked for a plan? Ha, remember we all say this is a business right. Don't businesses have plans? He has made 3 hires and is 1-1 in my book. The baseball team hasn't even played yet. But i guess that makes him successful. Lol.
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Post by Aggie Monster on Jan 9, 2012 21:52:06 GMT -5
Good luck getting your plan!
By the way. No one REALLY cares about volleyball. They wouldn't even be in the convo if football and bball hadn't been so bad lately.
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Post by The Professor on Jan 9, 2012 22:01:32 GMT -5
Rome wasn't built in a day. I'm patient. I will just donate to the double my donation to the school of business when i get fed up.
Its a funded sport by athletic department. We should all care. Same goes for Baseball, Softball, Track, Bowling , swimming, etc. Those kids are Aggies and ambassadors of our university. They deserve just as much funding and great coaches just like the major sports.
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Post by Aggie Monster on Jan 10, 2012 8:07:49 GMT -5
Rome wasn't built in a day. I'm patient. I will just donate to the double my donation to the school of business when i get fed up. Its a funded sport by athletic department. We should all care. Same goes for Baseball, Softball, Track, Bowling , swimming, etc. Those kids are Aggies and ambassadors of our university. They deserve just as much funding and great coaches just like the major sports. I wasn't speaking of funding. More like, if volleyball went .500 for 8 straight years no one would be calling for any heads. Good luck with receiving that plan.
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Post by DECKS on Jan 10, 2012 8:38:31 GMT -5
Ohsix, the reason people are dogging Professor is because he talks as if Eaves would be doing much better if he had more "this" and more "that". He's talking like we are Butler, Gonzaga, or someone like that or in their conference and are just robbing Eaves of his bounty like pirates or something. This is MEAC basketball where the majority of teams are underfunded and budgets are super tight. Deal with it daddy! He's actually giving a coach a pass because he is "underfunded", but at the same time badgering an AD who hasn't made but 3 hires who so far are working out. So maybe your fighting the wrong battles. If you think it's administration then I can kind of agree with you there. Underfunding is a problem in the HBCU world. But please stop saying we shouldn't fire Eaves. Dont equate his name alongside what we need to do to get better. He's just NOT part of the solution, even if he wasn't the ENTIRE problem. So if we fix the stuff professor is complaining about(which I doubt we will) then you think giving Eaves another shot would be the right thing to do? I think not! We've gone pass the point of return with this coach. If an overall change is made in b-ball the coach has to be part of it at this point. Even an underfunded coach can teach his team to properly run his offense. Even an underfunded coach can teach his team to dig in and play some tenacious defense. An well put together intramural team could have ran Carver out the gym! So true on everything you say. Again, some of us act as if A&T is the only underfunded MEAC program.
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Post by ohsixrain on Jan 10, 2012 9:10:36 GMT -5
I think we all agree about the underfunding issue. But, I think we can agree to disagree...because, I think without fixing the administration prior to bringing in a new coach is like putting the carriage before the horse....and if we don't fix the problem in the proper order, then we will get more of the same. Do we need a better coach...SURE. Not disputing that at all. But you bring in a good coach that knows what he's doing and then plague him with all the issues surrounding our program and I doubt he'll stay very long. Now, you can be up front and let the coaches know what they are in for before they accept...and MOST knowledgable coaches wouldn't touch us with a ten-foot pole. So then, you are resign to find a young eager coach out to prove himself...i.e. C. Maynor at WSSU. But, I just don't think there are a surplus of good coaches that would jump at us, knowing our issues...especially if it could be career suicide.
Me personally, I would entertain the idea of bringing in Shaw's coach, but we must understand the areas that he's lacking in as well. We would need to know and understand how he builds his program. Does he recruit the JUCOs hard? Right now, I don't think we recruit JUCOs at all...do we? This has helped us APR-wise, I'm sure. I can agree with Oleschool about doing our homework before hiring the next coach...but the flip side is, we can do all the homework we want and we can still get the hire wrong. It's not a simple solution.
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Post by Aggie Monster on Jan 10, 2012 9:36:06 GMT -5
Everyone agrees ohsix. We've always agreed. Our basketball budget along with over half the MEAC stinks.
We still dont keep Eaves while fixing the admin problems. That we cant do. What you can make the argument for is just letting his contract run out because of the same reasons...budget, so we cant afford to fire him. That I can sort of feel you on because we have to protect the program while improving it.
Question, what other coach has had 9 years of "nothing" in bball and kept their job(1 tournament win). What other team has had 9 years of nothing? Not to mention we have actually had about 15 years of nothing. 1 tournament win!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2012 9:38:26 GMT -5
Ohsix, the reason people are dogging Professor is because he talks as if Eaves would be doing much better if he had more "this" and more "that". He's talking like we are Butler, Gonzaga, or someone like that or in their conference and are just robbing Eaves of his bounty like pirates or something. This is MEAC basketball where the majority of teams are underfunded and budgets are super tight. Deal with it daddy! He's actually giving a coach a pass because he is "underfunded", but at the same time badgering an AD who hasn't made but 3 hires who so far are working out. So maybe your fighting the wrong battles. If you think it's administration then I can kind of agree with you there. Underfunding is a problem in the HBCU world. But please stop saying we shouldn't fire Eaves. Dont equate his name alongside what we need to do to get better. He's just NOT part of the solution, even if he wasn't the ENTIRE problem. So if we fix the stuff professor is complaining about(which I doubt we will) then you think giving Eaves another shot would be the right thing to do? I think not! We've gone pass the point of return with this coach. If an overall change is made in b-ball the coach has to be part of it at this point. Even an underfunded coach can teach his team to properly run his offense. Even an underfunded coach can teach his team to dig in and play some tenacious defense. An well put together intramural team could have ran Carver out the gym! So true on everything you say. Again, some of us act as if A&T is the only underfunded MEAC program. Personally, I don't care if all of the other schools in the conference are underfunded. It's a problem, however that A&T is. To me, all of this is tied together. The only reason why we won the games we did last year was due to the progression of Coleman with the help of that new Assistant Coach and the Athletic Trainer for Basketball. Eaves ineptitude of coaching is partly due to him not being able to succeed in winning the Conference and getting us NIT or NCAA berths with his current Budget "restraints". He seems to be a coach that needs things around him to succeed. I say let Eaves go and then work our butts off to get our next coach at least a $1 million dollar Basketball budget to pay for quality Assistants and so he can go out and recruit some quality Mid-Major talent. It will pay off for us in the long run if we invest in the program. If we did it for Broadway, we can do it for our new coach.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2012 9:41:17 GMT -5
I think we all agree about the underfunding issue. But, I think we can agree to disagree...because, I think without fixing the administration prior to bringing in a new coach is like putting the carriage before the horse....and if we don't fix the problem in the proper order, then we will get more of the same. Do we need a better coach...SURE. Not disputing that at all. But you bring in a good coach that knows what he's doing and then plague him with all the issues surrounding our program and I doubt he'll stay very long. Now, you can be up front and let the coaches know what they are in for before they accept...and MOST knowledgable coaches wouldn't touch us with a ten-foot pole. So then, you are resign to find a young eager coach out to prove himself...i.e. C. Maynor at WSSU. But, I just don't think there are a surplus of good coaches that would jump at us, knowing our issues...especially if it could be career suicide. Me personally, I would entertain the idea of bringing in Shaw's coach, but we must understand the areas that he's lacking in as well. We would need to know and understand how he builds his program. Does he recruit the JUCOs hard? Right now, I don't think we recruit JUCOs at all...do we? This has helped us APR-wise, I'm sure. I can agree with Oleschool about doing our homework before hiring the next coach...but the flip side is, we can do all the homework we want and we can still get the hire wrong. It's not a simple solution. I think Martin and Hilton are working their butts off to fix the problem. Perhaps they could be a little better at communicating this but I think they are doing just fine. If anything, Phil has go to go and they have to bring in someone who is a proven athletic fund raiser on the FCS/Mid-Major level. According to a poster or two on here, they are doing this as we speak.
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Post by Aggie Monster on Jan 10, 2012 9:54:40 GMT -5
If I ran the conference I would be so upset at how bad A&T basketball has been. They took a gamble by moving the MEAC tournament to Raleigh and now Winston probably in hopes that the A&T faithful could hold the tournament up with it's large fanbase(and the addition of NCCU). With us being out in the first round every year the tournament has seriously suffered.
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Post by DECKS on Jan 10, 2012 10:45:05 GMT -5
I think we all agree about the underfunding issue. But, I think we can agree to disagree...because, I think without fixing the administration prior to bringing in a new coach is like putting the carriage before the horse....and if we don't fix the problem in the proper order, then we will get more of the same. Do we need a better coach...SURE. Not disputing that at all. But you bring in a good coach that knows what he's doing and then plague him with all the issues surrounding our program and I doubt he'll stay very long. Now, you can be up front and let the coaches know what they are in for before they accept...and MOST knowledgable coaches wouldn't touch us with a ten-foot pole. So then, you are resign to find a young eager coach out to prove himself...i.e. C. Maynor at WSSU. But, I just don't think there are a surplus of good coaches that would jump at us, knowing our issues...especially if it could be career suicide. Me personally, I would entertain the idea of bringing in Shaw's coach, but we must understand the areas that he's lacking in as well. We would need to know and understand how he builds his program. Does he recruit the JUCOs hard? Right now, I don't think we recruit JUCOs at all...do we? This has helped us APR-wise, I'm sure. I can agree with Oleschool about doing our homework before hiring the next coach...but the flip side is, we can do all the homework we want and we can still get the hire wrong. It's not a simple solution. I think Martin and Hilton are working their butts off to fix the problem. Perhaps they could be a little better at communicating this but I think they are doing just fine. If anything, Phil has go to go and they have to bring in someone who is a proven athletic fund raiser on the FCS/Mid-Major level. According to a poster or two on here, they are doing this as we speak. The last figures I saw from a few years ago had the combined fundraising efforts of the Aggie Club & VC ranked #2 amongst all HBCU just barely behind FAMU. Not trying to defend anyone but I suspect this is why PA was retained?
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