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Post by Aggie Monster on Jan 6, 2012 15:19:46 GMT -5
$325,000. Good stuff Decks. I'm almost sure there is an industry standard for this stuff. Let me call my connek.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Jan 6, 2012 15:39:04 GMT -5
actually, i was already aware of that clause in his contract. but my question was more of a "policy" question rather than a contract question. is this standard policy at a&t for the men's coach or is it standard policy just for eaves? did hunter have a similar clause in his contract?
either way, it don't matter. and if i were eaves, i wouldn't want to play unc or duke either. though we've played both of them before. i'm not saying its easy to specifically schedule the likes of the big four (unc, duke, wake forest, and nc state). i'm just saying that i don't think its that difficult to schedule major d1 money games, regardless of where they're located.
like everybody else, eaves has been all over the place. texas, iowa, ohio, and this year even hawaii. personally, and this is just my opinion, i think its "bush league" to require a coach contractually to generate revenue through money games. that should be the school's responsibility and the ad's job. but again, that's just me.
nonetheless, i don't see that as a major obstacle to hiring a new coach and that was my original point...
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Post by ohsixrain on Jan 6, 2012 16:53:21 GMT -5
Well...welcome to bush league country then. That's how it works...and when I heard about that clause in his contract...the first thing I thought was play UNC, Duke, State and Wake @ $50,000 a piece and that's $200,000 right off the nut. But...it's not that easy...those schools don't want to pay us that much to beat us. Then there's Eaves theory....
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Post by aggie2ru on Jan 6, 2012 17:51:59 GMT -5
Do you think maybe we just ain't ready for "big boy" stuff?
Try CIAA again and be competitive or NAIA and be real competitive?
Something, something just ain't rite!!!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2012 18:50:11 GMT -5
Got to find out stuff your self around here! Statement from chancelor in 2010. "He has brought in $2,089,500 to the Athletics Department by playing guarantee games over the past six years. " That's an average of about $335K per season. He's about $58K over his quota every year. Should be an extra $29K for bball and a extra $29K for the rest of athletics. Not sure what all that means, but those are the numbers. His last contract extension in 2010 requires him to raise $325,000 per year. It will be up to Phil and the AAF to raise the necessary funding so the next coach doesn't have to. How hard is it for Phil and our booster club to raise an additional $325,000 yearly?
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Post by aggie2ru on Jan 6, 2012 19:10:48 GMT -5
;DPhil is a joke!! It's gonna be hard for him to do it from......... ?? Stay tuned!!!
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Post by Aggie Monster on Jan 6, 2012 19:54:46 GMT -5
besides, ain't it the ad's job to setup the schedules with assistance from the coach? or does a&t work the other way around? if we work the other way around, it wouldn't surprise me. that ain't the only thing we do that's azz backwards! actually, i was already aware of that clause in his contract. "I never put my feet on anybody's couch, who would do something like that?"..............."yeah, I remember putting my feet on Eddie's couch" Cocaine is a hell of a drug, LOL.
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Post by The Professor on Jan 6, 2012 21:51:06 GMT -5
Again, What are we really debating here? Can Eaves coach? I think everyone here is FINALLY in one voice on that. Except maybe Professor, but I'm still waiting for him to give an explanation on why he keeps defending him. Next would be the new coach. To me everyone here is saying pretty much the same thing. There are about 3 or 4 criterias and the new coach should have them. The last thing and the only thing everyone is disagreeing about is how much you need to spend on that coach. Some are saying you can pay the new coach exactly what we are paying Eaves and get much better results if those criterias I mentioned above are met. Some are saying we must go higher than that to get a quality coach. At around what Eaves is making I think we can find that coach. Man, can yall imagine what next year will be like for this board AND Eaves if he is still around, LOL. Hilton will have a decision to make at the end of the season that's for sure because this aint going away. Each MEAC thrashing is going to turn the heat up and each MEAC win will just be "well, they suck anyway". He is in a no-win and so are we if he stays past this season. No he can't coach. I have said that several times. I just know how this going to go. A&T will fire Eaves, then we will hire his replacement. Coach will be here 3 to 5 years and then we shall fire him too. Then hit repeat again. Maybe by 2025, we will get it right. You do realize we haven't won a basketball title since 95. How many coaches have we been thru since then. I believe 4. Still haven't gotten it right. And now we have this APR thing to worry about. We have already seen that the NCAA ain't playing. I have no confidence in the administration hiring someone. Hell , all you will say Broadway but he hasn't been here long enough. I heard the same ra ra routine with Lee. And then our players regressed. That's why i asked for a plan, criteria, or something. Not us just hiring people because. Show me how this man is going to help take our basketball program to the next level. If not, might as well stay with the devil i know
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Post by The Professor on Jan 6, 2012 21:54:35 GMT -5
Well...again, I thought is was quite simple. Just make a few phone calls to Duke, UNC, Wake and NC State and you are half-way home. Truth of the matter is...they don't pay out as much as the schools we've played out of state. For example...Akron pays us more than UNC would pay us. Also, Eaves didn't want his teams getting beat down like that to another in-state school...his theory was, he would never be able to recruit the state. Not sure that he does anyway. But Monster's correct...there were times he came into the office pissed because we had to shut his purchases down for the basketball program when he was promised money for his game guarantees...only to give the $$ to Fobbs and the football program. Go figure... Been saying that for about a year now, and guess the money still goes. Wonder if the things he was buying could have helped our program?
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Post by The Professor on Jan 6, 2012 21:56:23 GMT -5
His last contract extension in 2010 requires him to raise $325,000 per year. It will be up to Phil and the AAF to raise the necessary funding so the next coach doesn't have to. How hard is it for Phil and our booster club to raise an additional $325,000 yearly? Did you just mention Phil and raising money. Apparently its very hard since those panels have been blank since the scoreboard was purchased
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Post by Aggie Monster on Jan 7, 2012 10:01:11 GMT -5
OK Professor your not defending him, but you think he has not been giving proper funding and resources. I get that.
But when you look at his resources do you think the he is getting "out in the 1st round of the MEAC tournament" resources? Constant 4th, 5th place and below resources? Do you think 30 more thousand in resources can get him to the top of the MEAC? If not, then whats the point in keeping him?
Get someone who can work with a MEAC budget. Cause that's what we have. We dont have a CIAA budget and we dont have a ECU budget. Its a MEAC budget. Obviously he cant work with what they are giving. Coaches have won(or at least been pretty decent) with much less.
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Post by Bornthrilla on Jan 7, 2012 10:04:22 GMT -5
Aggie Monster, to view a copy of his current contract, check out the "contract and secret documents" sub folder in the BDF private forum.
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Post by DECKS on Jan 7, 2012 11:02:33 GMT -5
OK Professor your not defending him, but you think he has not been giving proper funding and resources. I get that. But when you look at his resources do you think the he is getting "out in the 1st round of the MEAC tournament" resources? Constant 4th, 5th place and below resources? Do you think 30 more thousand in resources can get him to the top of the MEAC? If not, then whats the point in keeping him? Get someone who can work with a MEAC budget. Cause that's what we have. We dont have a CIAA budget and we dont have a ECU budget. Its a MEAC budget. Obviously he cant work with what they are giving. Coaches have won(or at least been pretty decent) with much less. So true! Sometimes we make it sound like the rest of the MEAC programs are swimming in cash which just isn't the case. With the exception of DSU, all the MEAC programs are pretty much in the same boat. NCCU has won the last two of three from us, WSSU swept us the last time we played and Carver Bible just took us to OT. In addition NSU, Coppin and UMES beat us the last time out. If I'm not mistaken, all have smaller budgets than A&T.
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Post by thefriscotxaggie on Jan 7, 2012 13:30:45 GMT -5
Decks you can shot that from the rofftop but some will never accept it.
In addition although we have had multiple b-ball coaches since we last won the MEAC; that does not mean any of them were good hires. With the exception of Caple.
We just have to have faith in the new admin Martin / Hilton to make good coaching hires. I have no reason to think they will screw it up they got football correct.
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Post by The Professor on Jan 7, 2012 14:26:44 GMT -5
How did they get it correct? Broadway has not one recruiting class. Has not posted on APR score. He had a decent season. I heard all this same excitement when Lee was coach and looked what happened. The Broadway hire can't be judged for at least another year
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