saabman
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Post by saabman on Dec 6, 2011 16:41:17 GMT -5
Well, oleschool, it looks like I'm your man! I have all those attributes you mention except coaching on the high school, aau and college level. But when I coached little league, I was the man. Can you say...Phil Jackson! Just Playing! LOL... No but seriously, what does that coach you describe look like? And will he break the bank to come and coach at A&T? Those are the questions we have to ask ourselves...sure there are plenty of qualified, young energentic coaches that are good. And could have us winning in a year or two...but at what expense? I'm sure he will come with a nice price tag and will our APR suffer? We must consider those issues. oops! my bad, you're right! i forgot the apr criteria. that "definitely" needs to be a high priority too. but i don't think we have to pay a ton of money for someone who meets my criteria. it doesn't even require the candidate to have experience as a college head coach. its basically the same criteria that moton and david six met before being hired at nccu/hampton. i'm sure there's plenty of college assistants, d2 head coaches, or high school head coaches out there who meets the criteria and will knock our doors down to get our job for what eaves makes or less. i doubt seriously if six makes as much money as eaves. but moton (according to someone's post) makes about 5k more per year than eaves, however i'm sure that's because xavier aggressively went after moton last summer which probably forced nccu to pay him more than he would've otherwise accepted. but yes, maintaining a good apr must definitely be met by the next mbb head coach. i agree, that's very important... Also must be able to navigate with in the administration.
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Post by thefriscotxaggie on Dec 6, 2011 17:15:04 GMT -5
Well according to Aggie Jazz there is not man, woman, or child out there who could meet the above criteria and accept pay of around $100k.
Ohsixrain you are hired !!!
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Post by aggieblackie on Dec 6, 2011 21:32:49 GMT -5
How much does Coach Eaves make a year?
How much does Coach Bibbs earn a year?
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Post by marchingband1969 on Dec 12, 2011 9:12:21 GMT -5
I noticed that NCCU basketball team gave NC State a scare over the weekend. Nice job Central. At least they played like they had seen a basketball before. I'd hate to think what Eaves and the A&T boys team would have done against NC State. Hell we cannot play competitive ball against the no-name teams. Will someone hurry up and get A&T a real mens basketball coach! This is becoming a joke. We don't have to get Phil Jackson at A&T, just someone that can have a fighting chance of beating any of the other teams in the MEAC. I don't know what coaches are in the market now but are there any basketball coaches out there that can coach and A&T can afford to hire? Or are we keeping Eaves because there is no one better than him that we can pay for? Please educate me because I'm trying to figure out the deal with Eaves.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Dec 12, 2011 9:57:24 GMT -5
the question ain't whether there are plenty of qualified coaches out there who would accept eaves pay or less. good basketball coaches aren't hard to find. the question is how much longer a&t will tolerate eaves?
based on hilton's hirings so far "on paper", i really believe hilton is very capable of hiring a good coach for a&t. i really believe that. i think if hilton and martin continue to hear enough complaints about eaves and our men's basketball attendance continues to dwindle, i think this will be eaves' final season even though he has another year on his contract.
time will tell, but personally my enthusiasm level for aggie men's basketball has never been lower. even when eaves first got here and we were winning like 4 games per season, my enthusiasm was higher because i knew he had to rebuild from scratch. well, its been 8 years now and we're no longer rebuilding. we should be contenders for the meac championship by now and we definitely should've won more than a grand total of 2 meac tournament games in 8 years.
it's time to move on and there's plenty of very good undiscovered basketball coaches out there who would kill to coach at a&t. hilton just needs to know how to filter out the good ones from the bad ones. salary shouldn't be a big deal, there's plenty of very good coaches who will accept less pay than eaves to coach a&t. wssu's collins makes about 30k to 35k less than eaves does and some other ciaa head coaches make even less than collins. not that i'm suggesting collins as eaves' replacement, just that there's coaches out there who are more than willing to accept less pay than eaves.
we don't need a "big name" coach. if hilton is shrewd enough, he'll be able to find a very capable coach that perhaps none of us have ever heard of before. it ain't about name recognition, its about productivity and results. its time to move on...
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Post by aggiebred09 on Dec 12, 2011 10:04:50 GMT -5
When comparing our MBB Athletes to their NCCU counterparts are we saying ours are more or less talented?
Are we saying that we failed to recruit top talent, while a school with seemingly less appeal and in the midst of a Div 2 transition out paced us in recruitment.
Or
Are we saying that our level of talent is equal to the NCCU recruits and the problem is mainly the coaching and training of our athletes.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Dec 12, 2011 10:26:56 GMT -5
When comparing our MBB Athletes to their NCCU counterparts are we saying ours are more or less talented? Are we saying that we failed to recruit top talent, while a school with seemingly less appeal and in the midst of a Div 2 transition out paced us in recruitment. Or Are we saying that our level of talent is equal to the NCCU recruits and the problem is mainly the coaching and training of our athletes. nccu has better athletes than our men. i don't think there's any question about that...
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Post by Aggie Monster on Dec 12, 2011 10:32:58 GMT -5
When comparing our MBB Athletes to their NCCU counterparts are we saying ours are more or less talented? Are we saying that we failed to recruit top talent, while a school with seemingly less appeal and in the midst of a Div 2 transition out paced us in recruitment. Or Are we saying that our level of talent is equal to the NCCU recruits and the problem is mainly the coaching and training of our athletes. Our head coach has been here so long that you have to actually take the schools themselves out the equation. Eaves is responsible for this mess. Him alone. Whether its recruiting, in-game coaching, or practice/off season coaching. The word "we" should no longer be used when referring to A&T mens basketball woes. Its all "him". For those not familiar with Moten(NCCU's coach) he is REALLY respected as a basketball mind in NC. I have NEVER heard a bad word about the man in respect to basketball. Not ONE! Even when he was coaching at Sanderson High school in Raleigh(before returning to NCCU as an assistant) everyone that knew him said he was an excellent teacher and mentor for ball players. Eaves will NEVER be able to live up to Moten in NC in my opinion. Moten has too many roots(good ones) and ties in the state. Just ask Dave Telep about Moten. Our best shot against Moten is to hope someone comes and snatches him away from NCCU.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Dec 12, 2011 10:36:54 GMT -5
When comparing our MBB Athletes to their NCCU counterparts are we saying ours are more or less talented? Are we saying that we failed to recruit top talent, while a school with seemingly less appeal and in the midst of a Div 2 transition out paced us in recruitment. Or Are we saying that our level of talent is equal to the NCCU recruits and the problem is mainly the coaching and training of our athletes. Our head coach has been here so long that you have to actually take the schools themselves out the equation. Eaves is responsible for this mess. Him alone. Whether its recruiting, in-game coaching, or practice/off season coaching. The word "we" should no longer be used when referring to A&T mens basketball woes. Its all "him". For those not familiar with Moten(NCCU's coach) he is REALLY respected as a basketball mind in NC. I have NEVER heard a bad word about the man in respect to basketball. Not ONE! Even when he was coaching at Sanderson High school in Raleigh(before returning to NCCU as an assistant) everyone that knew him said he was an excellent teacher and mentor for ball players. Eaves will NEVER be able to live up to Moten in NC in my opinion. Moten has too many roots(good ones) and ties in the state. Just ask Dave Telep about Moten. i agree with you 100%, monster. everything you stated is on point, except the spelling of levelle moton's name. its "moton" with an "o". otherwise, everything else is dead on...
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Post by thefriscotxaggie on Dec 12, 2011 11:53:45 GMT -5
They gave State fits last night without Clement in the lineup. While I think we could play much better; NCCu does have better athletes.
As I said before Simpson and Buck are the only two guys on our team that look like physical D 1 players. Monsters right it stop and finishes with Eaves. As example If there is no off season weight training thats Eaves fault and if they have one its quite evident that only a few players participate.
As a Coach you have to set a tone. And if you dont want put in the work then you go to the bench or churn the scholarships like Bibbs does.
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Post by Tee-Sharp on Dec 12, 2011 11:59:36 GMT -5
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Post by Aggie Monster on Dec 12, 2011 13:24:51 GMT -5
"$10,000 salary bonus for MEAC Tournament Championship and a bid to the first round of the NCAA Basketball Tournament Championship. $12,000 for each round thereafter of the NCAA Basketball Tournament Championship $5,000 for the first round of the NIT Basketball Tournament Championship $2,500 for each round thereafter of the NIT Basketball Tournament Championship? "
Damn, 10 large doesn't motivate Eaves to do better? In my Kevin Hart voice "That's Crazy!"
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Post by aggie75 on Dec 12, 2011 17:47:41 GMT -5
As I recall Eaves received a substantial raise when this contract was renewed. One thing about the old contract that I found interesting was he could be bought out in his third year for 40,000 if I understand it correctly.
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Post by ruffraleighaggie on Dec 12, 2011 22:08:08 GMT -5
It seems like this whole forum has turned into a "Bash Eaves Event" but we have to be a little more realistic. I think more than half of his problem is recruiting. I think he actually tries to get top recruits but every top high school recruit wouldn't even look our way. Even just descent high school players think their game is above A&T, so its hard to get some quality players in here. I agree with an earlier post on here that NCCU do indeed have better athletes and talent than us plus they have size to match up better with big Division 1 opponents. Also, it seems like some of our players just don't care or simply don't have the drive to win. Like the old saying goes "you can't coach effort"
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Post by aggiebred09 on Dec 13, 2011 10:22:50 GMT -5
Check the title of the thread. It says it all. Honestly RuffRaleigh your post is nothing but assumptions. How can we have trouble recruiting players to our long time establish Div2 team but a smaller school like NCCU just now making the D2 transition recruit better talent?
It is the coach plan and simple. If recruiting is the problem and the kids dont want to come to A&T like you say then its because they know we dont field a winning program which is ultimately the coaches fault. So you are right we cant get top recruits cause we dont have a top recruit coach. You cant coach effort, but you can pay effort.
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