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Post by Aggie Monster on Nov 21, 2011 8:40:45 GMT -5
I hate the money excuse. It's getting old in respect to Eaves. You got 12-15 players and all they need is a couple of hoops and a basketball and some good teaching from their leader.
Decks is 100% correct about A&T not really being different than the rest of the MEAC as far as funding the basketball program. Some people on this board act like we not even feeding or housing the players. Some act like they live less than the other students on campus. Someone show me the shack we are housing the b-ball team in? Someone show me Eaves on the side of the road cause he didn't have gas money to make it to a recruits house? This man nor his team seem really hungry to me. Never have. That's not a knock on players cause he does have some that love the game and really want to win, but as a overall group they represent Eaves.
Its bothers me that I dont see A&T players in summer pro-ams also. If I'm a ball player in NC And dont get to run at NCCU in the pro-am I'm pissed.
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Post by Bigboy on Nov 21, 2011 9:54:45 GMT -5
I know most Aggies are ready to see Eaves go but did any of you see the game Sat night against Chicago St.? Eaves coached his azz off in my opinon. Chicago St. was much bigger and had much better players and we still kicked that butt. I was sitting there just waiting on us to blow the lead and the game, but Eaves made some good coaching decisions down the streach to get a convincing win. I know one game does not make a coach but Sat night was a good night for him.
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Post by DECKS on Nov 21, 2011 10:31:00 GMT -5
AM, I'm glad someone gets my point . WSSU swept us the last time we played and NCCU would have finished ahead of us in the standings last year if they had been eligible . We all know they have smaller budgets than A&T so let's stop it with the excuses. With that said I'm still not in favor of firing Eaves. Regardless of his coaching deficiencies he does get his kids to perform in the classroom . Anyone who wants to make a case for keeping him should use this reason as justification instead of those bogus budget excuses.
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Post by aggiebred09 on Nov 21, 2011 10:34:14 GMT -5
AM, I'm glad someone gets my point . WSSU swept us the last time we played and NCCU would have finished ahead of us in the standings last year if they had been eligible . We all know they have smaller budgets than A&T so let's stop it with the excuses. With that said I'm still not in favor of firing Eaves. Regardless of his coaching deficiencies he does get his kids to perform in the classroom . Anyone who wants to make a case for keeping him should use this reason as justification instead of those bogus budget excuses. Most valid argument ive heard.
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Post by aggie2ru on Nov 21, 2011 11:12:45 GMT -5
Bigboy.......I respect your thoughts but Chicago State is not a very good team. They lost to both Iowa and Creighton by MORE points than we did. Iowa beat them by 37pts. and Creighton beat them by 34pts.
We played both of them a lot closer. Glad we won but that is a game we are suppose to win. Chicago State has not won a game all season. I repeat glad we won but that game and the next two home games are gimmies.
Chicago State, Johnson&Wales, and Barber Scotia are teams that should be W's before we play them. Let's keep errrrthang in it's proper perspective!!!!!
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Post by Aggie Monster on Nov 21, 2011 11:46:10 GMT -5
AM, I'm glad someone gets my point . WSSU swept us the last time we played and NCCU would have finished ahead of us in the standings last year if they had been eligible . We all know they have smaller budgets than A&T so let's stop it with the excuses. With that said I'm still not in favor of firing Eaves. Regardless of his coaching deficiencies he does get his kids to perform in the classroom . Anyone who wants to make a case for keeping him should use this reason as justification instead of those bogus budget excuses. My only argument here Decks is that over 9 years that's ALL he has to hang your hat on? "I pulled A&T from a dismal 1 win season to .500 or under in 9 years. Oh, and my players graduate!" That's just achieving the bare minimum as a head basketball coach in my opinion. There are plenty of young coaches out there that can do that. He hasn't participated in a MEAC tournament final. Out of the 8 previous years I think we made the semifinals 2 times(2007 might be the only time)? A good coach could recruit nothing but scholar athletes and achieve the same result. I'm divided about firing him though. I say let him finish the contract he has out and just let him go. To much money right now to be paying 2 coaching salaries. Even if it's just for a year. If they really want to fire him after this season is a disappointment then hire someone on a 3-5 year contract that steps up in pay after year 1. They wouldn't take a huge hit that way.
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Post by neighborhoodsuperstar on Nov 21, 2011 13:32:53 GMT -5
It's amazing how low we've set our standards. 1) Giving the coach praise for beating a winless Chicago St team that is not even in a conference anymore...... 2) He graduates his players...... Seriously folks - don't you think the standards you're placing on Eaves are slightly (ie. bottom of the ocean bed) low? That's like sticking your chest out for your child because he answers "present" for school everyday - yet he comes back home every day with D's and F's. I just don't see how A&T basketball will improve with some of the ultra-low standards that some of you all are allowing Eaves to have - I just don't see it....
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Post by Aggie Monster on Nov 21, 2011 13:39:36 GMT -5
naborhood, I've come to the conclusion that some people just don't like to see people fired. Nothing will change their mind. Is always "outside forces" cause the losses or "at least he can do this or that".
We are talking about very small group of people that dont think Eaves should be fired. That group gets even smaller when you take out the people that think that way just because we cant afford it.
His days are numbered unless he pulls a miracle out of his tail and wins the tournament. Even if he doesn't get the boot after this year you can definitely count on next year being it.
I would love to see someone defend the "coaching ONLY" aspect of Jerry Eaves. You cant do it legitimately. Its impossible. If you can I want to hire you.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2011 14:23:29 GMT -5
I got to roll with Decks on this one. By the Way, our line item budget is available via FOIA. So you can always do as the USA Today and request a copy.
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Post by DECKS on Nov 21, 2011 14:37:28 GMT -5
Admittedly my standards have eased a lot. I know coaches are paid to have successful teams and graduate players but that just isn't an easy thing to do at HBCU's. If APR wasn't such a big issue for us I might agree with NSS but since it is I just can't see getting rid of a coach who's keeping us away from more negative news.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2011 14:43:39 GMT -5
Only move eaves if his performance isn't cutting it financially for us anymore. If we see any drop in season ticket sales then he has to go asap. If not, simply let himstay until the contract is up.
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Post by Aggie Monster on Nov 21, 2011 15:23:15 GMT -5
Only move eaves if his performance isn't cutting it financially for us anymore. If we see any drop in season ticket sales then he has to go asap. If not, simply let himstay until the contract is up. That's stating it better than I did. Wish I would have worded it that way. A new coach next season wont increase money's immediately unless he wins the tournament in year one. With the chances of that being slim is why I think Eaves will last until contract time.
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Post by aggie82 on Nov 21, 2011 15:28:45 GMT -5
If I were an AD, part of my evaluation would be to see a list of the players who we offered, but decided to go elsewhere, and gauge their performances throughout their careers..Is it a case that they can't get in school, or they don't want to come to T? or both?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2011 16:07:20 GMT -5
If I were an AD, part of my evaluation would be to see a list of the players who we offered, but decided to go elsewhere, and gauge their performances throughout their careers..Is it a case that they can't get in school, or they don't want to come to T? or both? That's too subjective. That's not fair to a coach and his players and could send us down a path involving shady street Agents.
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Post by Bigboy on Nov 21, 2011 17:25:43 GMT -5
2ru, I did not say they were a good team, I just felt that they had bigger a better talent than we have.
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