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Post by Aggie Monster on Mar 11, 2011 16:06:55 GMT -5
If it had nothing to do with athletics, why did you write? Like i said. I could delete that part and my post will still read the same. We on a baskeball forum right. Did someone rename this site to Blue Book Valley or something? You the academic police? You act like I spit on A&T by saying the education was "decent". OK, our academics are top notch. You happy now? I'm an A&T grad also ya know.
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Post by aggiekanye2 on Mar 11, 2011 16:39:48 GMT -5
I am very supported of coach eaves. However lets be honest . Are we as a university giving him the resources he need to be successful no.
1. His program has to raise $300k for the athletic department to stay above the red. 2. He has to pay 8-10 guarantee games against Top 25 teams. 3. He has to pay for his kids to go to summer school out of his guarantee because the department wants to give summer to football players who keep failing classes. 4. His program is not fully funded but women's basketball is . (only program that is fully funded) 5. He dont have enough goals to practice on.
lets look at all the factors, his kids know they are being prostituted, loss to ohio state by 50 those type of losses linger on. how many other school in the conference play our type of schedule. You fire Eaves bring who. The next coach gonna ask for $200k let be real here.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Mar 11, 2011 16:49:25 GMT -5
I try to look at this thing objectively, being that I am an Aggie.. 1. Our teams are not that good, so why are people expecting us to win? We have to start keeping our emotions out of these message boards.. 2. Where's the money gonna come from to buy Eaves out? If we had money, we wouldn't have to play those useless money games where the players dont get anything out of it..We could play some teams at our level, to help prepare us for Conference play...Getting beat by 30 does nothing for the kids or the program. 3. Why do we keep thinking that good ball players even want to come to A&T? 4. Why are we deceiving ourself by thinking that the players we get are really ball players? 5. Knowing all of this...Why are the expections so high..It seems like a case of wishful thinking to me... Please help me with this ! ! ! ! c'mon, 82. if bcu can win a regular season championship, why can't we? scsu, csu, famu, hampton, dsu, and msu have all won meac tournament championships since we last won one in 1995. if they can do it, why can't we? the reason that we haven't won any championships since 1995 is because we've lacked adequate "leadership" at the top on down. folk need to stop pointing the finger at coaches and start pointing the finger at our administration. i'm not necessarily criticizing the current admins (though it applies to them too), but whomever was in office over the course of the last 20 years or so has collectively "ruined" our athletic department! it has been "dreadfully" mismanaged! and it needs to be fixed in the short term and the long term. folk are quick to judge the coaches, but how 'bout the admins? shouldn't they be held accountable too? aren't they the ones running the show? if you really want to get to the "root" of our athletic woes, start at the top, not the bottom...
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Mar 11, 2011 17:12:47 GMT -5
just a historical note for the youngins who don't realize how "dominant" a&t use to be in basketball. since 1972 when the meac was founded, a&t has won a total of "15" meac tournament championships! 15! 15 years of jubilant celebrations in aggieland!
even though we haven't won any championships since 1995, no other meac school comes "remotely close" to 15 meac championships. the closest is scsu and they only have 5. no one else has more than 4.
in recent years, folk wondered why we use to lead the meac in basketball attendance almost every year even though we were only winning a handful of games. it was because we had a basketball "legacy" that endured over many, many years beyond our 15 championships. our fans continued to support us many years after our dominant years. but since 1995, it took approximately 14 or 15 years to virtually wipe out our fan support. and now, its basically gone!
we can no longer hang our hats on the past! our students deserve better! i was "privileged" as an undergrad to experience my college days with winning programs in both football and basketball. its shameful that today's students have never seen an meac football or men's basketball championship! the last 7 or 8 years or so of aggie grads have never experienced championship football or men's basketball during their college days. yet, folk wonder why students no longer attend basketball games...
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Post by aggie2ru on Mar 11, 2011 20:37:17 GMT -5
I'm putting my money up and I will be talking to Hilton this coming week. I have a call in to Martin--- I am hoping I can see him. He may run because I have talked to him about ALL sports at "T' numerous times. We have A LOT of work to do---but WE/US have to find a way to get it done. It is a sad period for AGGIE sports right now!! Let's go to work and watch the STORE before it goes out of business!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2011 21:53:56 GMT -5
I try to look at this thing objectively, being that I am an Aggie.. 1. Our teams are not that good, so why are people expecting us to win? We have to start keeping our emotions out of these message boards.. 2. Where's the money gonna come from to buy Eaves out? If we had money, we wouldn't have to play those useless money games where the players dont get anything out of it..We could play some teams at our level, to help prepare us for Conference play...Getting beat by 30 does nothing for the kids or the program. 3. Why do we keep thinking that good ball players even want to come to A&T? 4. Why are we deceiving ourself by thinking that the players we get are really ball players? 5. Knowing all of this...Why are the expections so high..It seems like a case of wishful thinking to me... Please help me with this ! ! ! ! c'mon, 82. if bcu can win a regular season championship, why can't we? scsu, csu, famu, hampton, dsu, and msu have all won meac tournament championships since we last won one in 1995. if they can do it, why can't we? the reason that we haven't won any championships since 1995 is because we've lacked adequate "leadership" at the top on down. folk need to stop pointing the finger at coaches and start pointing the finger at our administration. i'm not necessarily criticizing the current admins (though it applies to them too), but whomever was in office over the course of the last 20 years or so has collectively "ruined" our athletic department! it has been "dreadfully" mismanaged! and it needs to be fixed in the short term and the long term. folk are quick to judge the coaches, but how 'bout the admins? shouldn't they be held accountable too? aren't they the ones running the show? if you really want to get to the "root" of our athletic woes, start at the top, not the bottom... Last 10 - 12 years to be a little more exact but hey, whose counting?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2011 21:56:00 GMT -5
I'm putting my money up and I will be talking to Hilton this coming week. I have a call in to Martin--- I am hoping I can see him. He may run because I have talked to him about ALL sports at "T' numerous times. We have A LOT of work to do---but WE/US have to find a way to get it done. It is a sad period for AGGIE sports right now!! Let's go to work and watch the STORE before it goes out of business! As long as you and others back this up with the bread, cheese and dough along with the commitment to help bring some high quality Div-1 coach and not another coach looking for his 1st big break, I will have no problem with this. BTW: Check this chart out.
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Post by aggie82 on Mar 11, 2011 23:06:48 GMT -5
I still can't get my question answered..What does A&T have to attract really good basketball players?....It amazes me how the HBCU's only start looking at kids when they are rising seniors, when the predominantly white colleges start recruiting kids in the summer after their 9th grade year..With that model, how can we ever expect to gain ground on anyone???
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Post by krazykev on Mar 11, 2011 23:13:44 GMT -5
I still can't get my question answered..What does A&T have to attract really good basketball players?....It amazes me how the HBCU's only start looking at kids when they are rising seniors, when the predominantly white colleges start recruiting kids in the summer after their 9th grade year..With that model, how can we ever expect to gain ground on anyone??? This is not true because Eaves offered Scottie Reynolds (Villanova) when he was a freshman or Soph in High School. Actually, we were the first school to offer him before any major school.
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Post by Jesse Jackson's Side eye on Mar 12, 2011 1:49:04 GMT -5
Here's what pisses me off about folks. People talk about a "street committee" as if I am a person trying to wreak havoc over something that doesn't need to be seriously evaluated. Are people coming to the damn games (like I have for years) to see our deficiencies first hand??? I'm not a person griping because Eaves stole my girlfriend in high school 20 years ago.....this has to do with a good man who just cannot take our program any further. He has tried his best - his best isn't good enough. A change is needed here to improve the basketball program at A&T. So all the street committee talk folks are popping off at the mouth are simply ignorant. I have clearly stated my same concerns face-to-face (and in a cordial manner) to both Hilton and Martin. Frankly, I really question folks sanity who don't think Eaves' job needs to be seriously evaluated. There is no way in the world anyone could come from the A&T/Morgan game last night with the belief Eaves has our program in the right direction ---- NO ONE. Folks need to be realistic about this thing here ---- Eaves has given us his best. If we want MEAC championships, we need a new coach and direction (just like our football program). I guess " Street Committee" was too strong of a phrase and struck some sort of nerve so i guess im sorry for being so Ignorant to your feelings Now, as far as Eaves is concerned, Im not a fan of his either...he has indeed underperformed as head of the Men's program, and obviously has pictures of all his bosses in compromising positions to be keeping his Job here in Aggieland...Time and time again, he has shown that he cannot get over the hump and take the program to the next level...Is it an issue, YES...is there a solution, MAYBE...but unless you are Earl Hilton, or one of the "Powers that be" then you are on the outside ( maybe as far out as the street) looking in...
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Post by DECKS on Mar 12, 2011 9:29:54 GMT -5
Right now we just have to much going on in athletics to do another termination. We still have the Milandu death to settle, hire a director of compliance, hire an asst. AD, deal with head trainer issue, finish the football schedule, focus on low APR scores and prepare for possible lawsuits from terminated parties, etc. I agree with a lot of what NSS said but right now we don't need put another program in transition with all that's going on. Let's keep our focus on the critical issues for now and I don't consider Aggie basketball or Jerry Eaves as a critical issue.
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Post by ohsixrain on Mar 12, 2011 12:12:53 GMT -5
Hot off the wire...Paul Hewitt of Georgia Tech was fired. Do we want him??? I mean, I'm just asking...
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Post by aggiejazz on Mar 12, 2011 13:20:22 GMT -5
Savannah State Univ head basketball coach Horace Broadnax
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Mar 12, 2011 13:28:59 GMT -5
Hot off the wire...Paul Hewitt of Georgia Tech was fired. Do we want him??? I mean, I'm just asking... he'd never come to an hbcu. his ga. tech salary probably exceeds our entire basketball budget. we can forget about going after major d1 head coaches. our best bet is to look at d1 assistants and d2 head coaches. perhaps we could find a "jewel" in the ciaa...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2011 13:49:13 GMT -5
Hot off the wire...Paul Hewitt of Georgia Tech was fired. Do we want him??? I mean, I'm just asking... he'd never come to an hbcu. his ga. tech salary probably exceeds our entire basketball budget. we can forget about going after major d1 head coaches. our best bet is to look at d1 assistants and d2 head coaches. perhaps we could find a "jewel" in the ciaa... Well if there was ever an commitment from Chancellor Martin and Mr. Hilton to spend $1million+/yr on basketball, we could certainly bring in a pretty decent coach with Div-1 HC experience in a Mid-Major conference.
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