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Post by oleschoolaggie on Mar 11, 2011 11:56:46 GMT -5
the worst time to judge a coach is the day after a game, whether victorious or in defeat. got to let the emotions simmer down in order to think more rationally.
but i know one thing for absolutely sure, i am "sick and tired" of bailing out in the first round of the meac tournament every single gawd dayum year! if i were pressed to make a decision on eaves at this very moment, i'd fire his azz immediately! but that would be more of an "emotional" decision than a rational one. i have to let my emotions simmer.
but i do know this. i'm "sick and tired" of being "sick and tired" of losing! i'm a 1980's grad and back then we "ruled" the meac virtually every year! we won at home and on the road! we won regular season championships and tournament championships! first round bailouts were "unheard of"!! a&t dominated the meac long before i got to a&t and long after i left! a&t won the first 13 out of 17 meac basketball championships since the league was formed! we never had to promote home basketball games to get fans to attend! folk came out automatically! i would have never guessed after such a rich history in basketball that we would have fallen to a point where we would go "16 years in a row" without a regular season or tournament championship! 16 friggin' years in a row!!!
i'm "sick and tired" of being "sick and tired" of losing! maybe i'm spoiled because i come from an era of champions and enjoyed what "aggie pride" is all about! over the years i've tried to be loyal, tried, true, and patient, but how much more patient does a brutha have to be!
sorry folk for the venting, but i just had to get it out. i'm a very frustrated aggie right now...
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Post by krazykev on Mar 11, 2011 12:59:48 GMT -5
So, you are blaming the coach for the team missing wide open shots and layups. We were in position to keep up with Morgan but, we just had a bad shooting night.
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Post by neighborhoodsuperstar on Mar 11, 2011 13:05:47 GMT -5
OSA, You may be emotional - I'm not. We've had 8 years of this mess. Being emotional would consist of being critical of his failures after year 1 or 2. For 8 years, Eaves pulls the same sh-t over and over again. I started that thread "If A&T loses to Morgan in the first round..." FULLY KNOWING WE WERE GOING TO LOSE.
As I stated earlier, I personally told Chancellor Martin last night (with 3 minutes still left in the game) that Eaves has hit his ceiling with respect to how much further he can take our program....the chancellor is no dummy - HE KNOWS IT TOO.
I told you a week ago that I personally talked with A.D. Hilton, who fully expects for all of our Aggie squads to amass 3 MEAC titles in 10 years. For the 1st half of the game last night, Hilton was behind the team's bench. In the second half, after we were getting pasted, Hilton was nowhere to be seen.
I'm telling you folks, Martin and Hilton are not Eaves supporters. I get the feeling there may be a change. That game last night clearly showed that there has been a lack of progress after 8 years of Eaves --- do not be surprised if a change is made folks.....
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Post by thefriscotxaggie on Mar 11, 2011 13:48:46 GMT -5
Monster and Decks are correct we never should have given him a three year extension thats entirely our fault / mistake. They should have given him no more than a two year contract perhaps even a one-year deal. I really dont think we are making an emotional responce; for example Coach Bibbs team feel apart but aint nobody batting an eye because we know the amount of freshman, we know what Bibbs has coming in, and most importantly we know Coach Bibbs can exceed the sucess of even last years team. I like Coach Eaves think he did a much better job this year. But if we were a Major D1 we would not be having this conversation because they would made a move 2-3 years ago. So you ask got ask yourself would any other MEAC Team / Mid-major keep the Coach for 8 years with the same performance In addition Coach Eaves cares he wants to win; I dont think he is just going through the motions. I think he is working his tail off its just not happening.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2011 14:15:33 GMT -5
Just let the contract run out before making a decision OR let the Aggies who are pissed at Eaves performance pay for the buyout.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2011 14:17:38 GMT -5
N$$ said he is willing to put up at least $10,000 for the buyout if other Aggies are willing to move with him. So are the Aggies who want him out of here ASAP going to walk the walk or just continue to just be all bark without any bite/
BTW: My opinion on this is very similar to Decks and AggieMonster.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Mar 11, 2011 14:36:58 GMT -5
So, you are blaming the coach for the team missing wide open shots and layups. We were in position to keep up with Morgan but, we just had a bad shooting night. kev, to be honest, yes the coach has to accept responsibility for a poor shooting night. its his job to make sure we don't have a poor shooting night, especially in a single elimination tournament. poor shooting nights don't happen just because. they happen for a reason(s) that can range from any number of things. for example, guys missing curfew/hanging out all night, team didn't have an adequate pregame shoot around, not enough baskets at practice to work on "individual" shooting drills, opponent played good defense, team didn't prepare for depth perception of a large arena, team not "mentally" focused or prepared, etc. no matter what the cause, its the coach's job to make sure poor shooting nights don't happen. if it does happen, then the coach has to make game adjustments to create easier shots for his team. and here's a novel idea, how bout forcing the opponent into as poor a shooting night as us? morgan didn't seem to have any problems shooting and it wasn't because of luck. our defense was inadequate and that's eaves' fault. morgan shot 50% overall from the floor and 40% from 3 point land. i think our inadequate defense had a lot to do with that. personally, i think morgan was more intense than us too. thompson played like i haven't seen him play all season long and we didn't make any adjustments to slow him down. their guards killed us (except j. black) from 3 point land "again", just as they did in baltimore. look, i'm an eaves supporter. but after 8 or 9 years of first round bailouts, now is not the time to make excuses for coach eaves. clearly he got "out coached" last night, period. our team did not play with the sense of urgency that it should have, morgan's did. i'm still seeing cats playing defense standing straight up! i'm still seeing virtually "uncontested" perimeter shots against us and there's no excuse for that...
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Post by neighborhoodsuperstar on Mar 11, 2011 14:49:07 GMT -5
N$$ said he is willing to put up at least $10,000 for the buyout if other Aggies are willing to move with him. So are the Aggies who want him out of here ASAP going to walk the walk or just continue to just be all bark without any bite/ BTW: My opinion on this is very similar to Decks and AggieMonster. I still stand by the $10K I'm willing to donate to get Eaves out of there. Whether folks want to donate $1K, $10K or more, I just want people to stop being passive on this matter. Another year of Eaves (especially with no Coleman) is another year too much to stomach. If other Aggies want to get this thing turned around, it's time to act now. I don't believe in wasting time.
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Post by aggie82 on Mar 11, 2011 15:05:11 GMT -5
I try to look at this thing objectively, being that I am an Aggie.. 1. Our teams are not that good, so why are people expecting us to win?
We have to start keeping our emotions out of these message boards.. 2. Where's the money gonna come from to buy Eaves out?
If we had money, we wouldn't have to play those useless money games where the players dont get anything out of it..We could play some teams at our level, to help prepare us for Conference play...Getting beat by 30 does nothing for the kids or the program.
3. Why do we keep thinking that good ball players even want to come to A&T?
4. Why are we deceiving ourself by thinking that the players we get are really ball players?
5. Knowing all of this...Why are the expections so high..It seems like a case of wishful thinking to me...
Please help me with this ! ! ! !
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Post by Aggie Monster on Mar 11, 2011 15:20:56 GMT -5
I try to look at this thing objectively, being that I am an Aggie.. 1. Our teams are not that good, so why are people expecting us to win? We have to start keeping our emotions out of these message boards.. 2. Where's the money gonna come from to buy Eaves out? If we had money, we wouldn't have to play those useless money games where the players dont get anything out of it..We could play some teams at our level, to help prepare us for Conference play...Getting beat by 30 does nothing for the kids or the program. 3. Why do we keep thinking that good ball players even want to come to A&T? 4. Why are we deceiving ourself by thinking that the players we get are really ball players? 5. Knowing all of this...Why are the expections so high..It seems like a case of wishful thinking to me... Please help me with this ! ! ! ! 1)That's the Aggie in people 2)No where, thats why he is staying. 3)I dont believe this statement. Talk to high school kids not "Major" bound and they will tell you they will come to A&T in a heartbeat if approached. It's still a FREE education from a pretty decent school. Regardless of what us diehards think, kids dont really give a damn about who won the MEAC(tournament nor regular season) 2 years ago. That's ancient history to them. Most are cocky enough to think they will turn where ever they go into an instant contender. That goes for football also. Asking that question is like asking why do Div1 kids go to any school that hasn't won the ACC in over 10 years. Or like asking why does anyone outside of the SEC get 5 star recruits in football. 4)Most mid major players are "projects"(thats why they come to mid-majors), especially big men. Most(key word MOST) have some type of flaw in their game or physical stature that needs working on. It's up to the coach to bring it up. 5)Only if you agree with 1 through 4. I dont. We have some kids that can be good players. Witter is the first that comes to mind. Kid is 6'8", with a decent jumper and average handles. He needs to take the John Henson(UNC) approach and realize he would make a better PF at this level and commit to it. Stop trying to be a 2 guard young man. Henson came in thinking he would be a 3(promised by Roy that is where he would play), but struggled badly. Now he is NBA bound as a PF. Both Underwood and Buck have a lot of potential. Underwood if he works on his court vision and Buck if he develops a mid-range jumper. The question(or fact) is that Eaves hasn't proven he can coach these guys up. Not very quickly at least. It took 4 years for him to get Coleman right.
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Post by captaggie on Mar 11, 2011 15:48:27 GMT -5
The number 3 school of 17 UNC schools in securing research dollars (3 years in a row) is a "...pretty decent school..."? That's how you characterize our school?
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Post by neighborhoodsuperstar on Mar 11, 2011 15:57:05 GMT -5
Aggie82, With all due respect - I cannot talk to you about this subject, simply because you have a defeatest attitude going into it. You have already thrown in the flag. With points 3, 4, 5 - you have conceded defeat. A&T's athletic history has basketball as its foundation. From the Corbett years in the 80's back to the Cal Irwin and Gene Littles-led team even further back, Aggie basketball is what put us on the map. With the right coach and the basketball-rich talent bed we're in, we can get back there......that's not wishing - that's knowing. But it won't be with Jerrry Eaves.
I'm just amazed at how some of us have given up the thought of regaining our prominence or have accepted the mediocre play over these past few years.
If there are any of you who really don't believe we can get or do better than what we have been doing, I simply don't want your input on a damn thing.
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Post by Aggie Monster on Mar 11, 2011 15:57:22 GMT -5
The number 3 school of 17 UNC schools in securing research dollars (3 years in a row) is a "...pretty decent school..."? That's how you characterize our school? Your really picking apart a small part of what I said. The part that had nothing to do with athletics no less. If I was REALLY critiquing our academics I may have used a different terminology. I was answering sports questions here....geez. In my Eddie Murphy voice "First round loses make you brave." You can remove that part you quoted and it will all still mean the same thing.
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Post by Aggie Monster on Mar 11, 2011 16:02:54 GMT -5
I'll say this and then I'm done with the Eaves Firing subject and off to Spring game updates. I'm a football guy!
Keeping Eaves(which I'm only for doing because of the budget) is like UNC keeping Matt Daugherty instead of hiring Roy Williams. Think about that!
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Post by captaggie on Mar 11, 2011 16:03:35 GMT -5
If it had nothing to do with athletics, why did you write it?
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