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Post by mrtellitright on Mar 1, 2007 23:09:37 GMT -5
0-11 is a chance coming from such a highly rated program as a assistant position coach he could have brought some kind of know how to win. i guess runningback coaches make good head coaches.
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Post by econgrad71 on Mar 2, 2007 2:02:09 GMT -5
i guess runningback coaches make good head coaches. You can't make chicken salad out of chicken sh_t; and by referencing "chicken sh_t", I DON"T mean the quality of players we had, just the level of experience Fobbs was forced to work with. Now if he doesn't show me something this year (like .500 in the conference), I'll be ready to write him off also!!
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Post by DOOMS on Mar 2, 2007 8:55:47 GMT -5
We got beat to death by every team we played. If you're being realistic and fair you expect another double-digit losing season. At least I do. That's entirely too much of a turnaround to expect in one year from a barely experienced staff.
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Post by Gator on Mar 2, 2007 9:36:03 GMT -5
We've turned it around like that before. Give the man a chance folks. All of this pessimism...
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Post by aggielove on Mar 2, 2007 10:49:11 GMT -5
Gator, I wouldn't call it pessimism but realism (is that a word??). You shouldn't get your hopes up too high for some outrageous turnaround from last year's team. If they do get to .500 in conference, we have a means for serious celebration. I wouldn't call that realistic this year, but maybe for the '08 season.
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Post by SixtiesAggie on Mar 2, 2007 10:51:37 GMT -5
Am I missing something here and on other threads posted the past few years where everyone has been crying out for a coach with D-1A experience??? Surely no one here or on MEACFANS can realistically expect their university/college to hire a head coach that is or was a head coach from a D-1A program. Don't even expect a DC or OC either, unless the person is a junky, pervert or committed some NCAA infraction that they have been banished from coaching for a long time or life . So any experienced coach from a D-1A program will be a position coach. You can only hope that he has learned quite a bit from that exposure or experience and will do a great job at your school. We will have to wait and give the man an opportunity to show us what he can or can't do. We don't know the turmoil or the problems that he inherited with the job, along with the horrendous lack of funding for the program.
Let's see what he can do or not do in the next two years. Hopefully , our funding will turn the corner in that time, and he will be moving the program upward. If not, we can call for his head.
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Post by Gator on Mar 2, 2007 12:06:35 GMT -5
I'm looking at the fact that we had a lot of kids that didn't play last year. With the influx of new talent, I'm really excited. Then again, it's all around the atmostphere also.
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Post by DOOMS on Mar 2, 2007 13:07:37 GMT -5
Think for a minute. We didn't come within three or four touchdowns of anybody we played last year. The only extra money going into the program to remedy that is from the dropping of men's tennis. Not to mention the same folks that used previous monies to hire our sterling coaching staff are still the ones controlling the purse strings. If you expect two wins you expect too much. If you hope for two wins (or ten or whatever) that's different. But to actually believe for a minute that the worst team in the nation will magically become competitive in one year's time because guys that couldn't get playing time at Clemson transfered in is a little far-fetched. A lot of folks expected all these wins last year and if you'd just opened your eyes you'd have seen that was unrealistic. You understand impressive improvement for this team from last year is 0-11 with all losses by a touchdown or less and phenomenal improvement would be to go 3-8 (like we did under Small two years in a row). This is what we have established because of our choices. The best thing that can be done (since we ain't got no money and don't half know what to do with it when we get it anyway) is for Fobbs to keep the players working on fundamentals and execution and not even looking at the scoreboard anytime this year. Meanwhile he needs to continue to learn the head coaching position himself. By and large our athletic department doesn't have much to work with and nobody in it is used to working without much. Until they figure out how to be successful in that realm we will be where we are. This is what some are expecting a winning season from: web1.ncaa.org/d1mfb/2006/Internet/ranking_summary/2006000000488.HTMLAll I'm saying is look at that, look at the budget, look at the collective experience of the coaching staff and then look at the calendar because we need to take a deep breath and be prepared to WAIT. He'll have a senior o-line in '08 (minus a few guys who spent all last year showing they'll be supplanted by recruits in a year or two). By then we'll have some beef on the d-line too. Right now we don't have much of either and what we do have still doesn't have experience. Fobbs ain't being bought out and we knew what we were getting when we hired him. Nobody really made a fuss then so there's no point and drooling at the mouth over the "promise" of '07 now. 'Cause DOOMS just came here to tell y'all the "promise" ain't until '08. We could easily go 0-11 again and then go 8-3. Or we could go 2-9 and then go 0-11 again because we bullied Fobbs into quitting or we dropped bowling, women's tennis and track to buy out his contract. We'll be alright. We just won't be great and we won't be good right away.
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Post by Maxell on Mar 2, 2007 13:50:37 GMT -5
Dooms, After looking at last year's stat page, I agree. 2008 will be the year to evaluate.
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Post by Aggie77 on Mar 2, 2007 13:54:09 GMT -5
Think for a minute. We didn't come within three or four touchdowns of anybody we played last year. The only extra money going into the program to remedy that is from the dropping of men's tennis. Not to mention the same folks that used previous monies to hire our sterling coaching staff are still the ones controlling the purse strings. If you expect two wins you expect too much. If you hope for two wins (or ten or whatever) that's different. But to actually believe for a minute that the worst team in the nation will magically become competitive in one year's time because guys that couldn't get playing time at Clemson transfered in is a little far-fetched. A lot of folks expected all these wins last year and if you'd just opened your eyes you'd have seen that was unrealistic. You understand impressive improvement for this team from last year is 0-11 with all losses by a touchdown or less and phenomenal improvement would be to go 3-8 (like we did under Small two years in a row). This is what we have established because of our choices. The best thing that can be done (since we ain't got no money and don't half know what to do with it when we get it anyway) is for Fobbs to keep the players working on fundamentals and execution and not even looking at the scoreboard anytime this year. Meanwhile he needs to continue to learn the head coaching position himself. By and large our athletic department doesn't have much to work with and nobody in it is used to working without much. Until they figure out how to be successful in that realm we will be where we are. This is what some are expecting a winning season from: web1.ncaa.org/d1mfb/2006/Internet/ranking_summary/2006000000488.HTMLAll I'm saying is look at that, look at the budget, look at the collective experience of the coaching staff and then look at the calendar because we need to take a deep breath and be prepared to WAIT. He'll have a senior o-line in '08 (minus a few guys who spent all last year showing they'll be supplanted by recruits in a year or two). By then we'll have some beef on the d-line too. Right now we don't have much of either and what we do have still doesn't have experience. Fobbs ain't being bought out and we knew what we were getting when we hired him. Nobody really made a fuss then so there's no point and drooling at the mouth over the "promise" of '07 now. 'Cause DOOMS just came here to tell y'all the "promise" ain't until '08. We could easily go 0-11 again and then go 8-3. Or we could go 2-9 and then go 0-11 again because we bullied Fobbs into quitting or we dropped bowling, women's tennis and track to buy out his contract. We'll be alright. We just won't be great and we won't be good right away. I don't even know why you continue to try. People are gonna believe what they want, even when the truth is staring then eyeball-to-eyeball.
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Post by DOOMS on Mar 2, 2007 14:12:21 GMT -5
Well hell, we could go 15-0. It's just that the chances are slim. I can't fault them for being hopeful.
Let's look at three years; '02, '03 and '04. In '03 we lost most games close and went 4-7 including a win over Jackson State that was a flukety-fluke if I ever saw one. The next year we go 10-3 by winning the exact same way we'd lost the year before; close. The year after that we go 3-8 by losing close again. You never know.
The difference between those years and this year is we ain't lose close once. When your closest game is a 16 point loss in which you had to score 14 in the fourth quarter to keep it close your calls for help are not answered by six or so transfers. Add to that the fact that your head coach's son is an assistant coach for a team that played that same team and beat them to death earlier in the year so you had to have extra tape to prepare... If that's the best we could muster it'll be minute before we can start reasonably expecting to go .500.
All of this is just one man's opinion and I hope like hell the man is wrong.
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Post by Maxell on Mar 2, 2007 15:25:59 GMT -5
I just read Fobbs' BDF interview again. It was interesting in hindsight. www.bluedeathvalley.com/exintv_leefobbs_7_23_06.htmlA few things stood out. He knew that we were both numbers and talent poor before he even hit the field. Secondly, he knew that JUCO was not the holy grail, but he had holes to fill. He also wants to build a program with high school recruits. And lastly he didn't expect miracles but he welcomed them. It's a good read and a great interview by Thrilla. It will be interesting what he will say after this year's spring ball.
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Post by Gator on Mar 2, 2007 17:46:12 GMT -5
We're going to come in 2nd place in the conference and not make the playoffs because of a weak schedule.
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Post by Bornthrilla on Mar 2, 2007 18:37:43 GMT -5
Gator: Hugs not drugs.
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Post by Gator on Mar 3, 2007 10:17:56 GMT -5
ha, ha, ha
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