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Post by pj on Nov 18, 2009 20:25:22 GMT -5
Our best defender? Thrilla I dont know just yet. I have not seen them enough. What I saw was the reserves during that 1st cupcake game (I got there late). i certainly like our effort during the press. Conditioning & desire helps the defense.
To be fair, normally we are in every league game, we play ok defense and cause turnovers. I need to see us. Honestly fridays game may not give me what i want to see...the Monday game may be the ticket.
Eaves teams play defense. I can say that, he will fix that. It was just the turnovers, FT's and poor shooting that hampered last years team, in league play.
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Post by Gator on Nov 19, 2009 10:05:15 GMT -5
I think the kid Coleman is overrated when it comes to offensive productions. From what I saw, he gets outplayed on both the offensive and defensive ends of the court when good competition is on the floor. He just was not aggressive enough. I didn't really see him calling for the ball down low with some authority, like big men should have. His offensive game is lazy, with no threat to an opposing player. At 6'9 with a body like that, both guys should be dominating the boards. We should not be getting out-rebounded so easily. I know when you take 3's the way they do will make you vulnurable at the opposite end of the court if you don't get back. But, the type of 3's taken are contested, and the opposing player immediately takes off heading down the floor once the shot is up. Putting us at a dis-advantage. I think we have to use more discretion when shooting 3's. We also have to play better defense. To many times Ohio's guards drove into the paint taking uncontested shots. They also took uncontested 3 pointers and made them. That's why we couldn't cut into their lead more than we did when we had the chance to. Don't think teams don't have a plan to break our press. I think we need to do a better job of disquising it.
In my opinion this team can win the MEAC, if they work hard and eliminate the unnecessary turnovers.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Nov 19, 2009 12:08:17 GMT -5
i didn't see the ohio game, so i'll reserved judgement in that regard. but in terms of style, a "run and gun" offense does not win championships. especially at the college level where teams actually play defense (unlike the nba).
of course i'm speculating on this, but i honestly don't think eaves truly believes he can win a championship with a "run and gun" offense as his primary offensive system. i personally think he uses it as a recruiting tool more than anything else because kids love to "run and gun".
offensively, i've always believed that you need a "consistent" inside scoring threat for any offensive system to be consistently successful. no one has a jump shot that falls more than 50% of the time in every game. but there's plenty of post players who average above 50% from the field in every game. jump shots come and go, but layups almost always fall.
that brings me to mr. coleman himself. if coleman is not at least 2nd team all meac this year, then he underachieved. he should be averaging at least 12 to 14 points per game and 8 or more rebounds per game. based on descriptions from several posters, it doesn't seem as though coleman has stepped it up. he's always had this lackluster demeanor about him. the guy has unlimited potential, but he doesn't seem to have the drive and desire to put in the hard work. i think the fate of our team heavily depends on the advancement of coleman...
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Post by aahhbigboy on Nov 19, 2009 12:26:29 GMT -5
i didn't see the ohio game, so i'll reserved judgement in that regard. but in terms of style, a "run and gun" offense does not win championships. Ok, I see this is the popular thing to say now. I guess you all just didn't like the messenger when it was being said for the last 2-3 years. And if he knows he can't win championships, then one can reasonably assume that he's just does well enough to get an additional contract, correct? I'm pretty sure you'll disagree, but remember that you said this: "i honestly don't think eaves truly believes he can win a championship with a "run and gun" offense as his primary offensive system." lol You all, don't take this the wrong way. I actually think that Eaves is putting everything he has into winning a championship with this style and I'm not questioning his competitive integrity. But, it has really never been done on this level and specifically in our conference. I've been screaming this. However, they'll be OK in conference.......at least I hope so.
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Post by Bornthrilla on Nov 19, 2009 12:37:33 GMT -5
I'll restate what I said immediately following the Ohio game:
You can not take bad shots on offense and give up easy shots on defense and expect to win ball games. I don't care what type of system you want to run.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Nov 19, 2009 12:58:49 GMT -5
i didn't see the ohio game, so i'll reserved judgement in that regard. but in terms of style, a "run and gun" offense does not win championships. Ok, I see this is the popular thing to say now. I guess you all just didn't like the messenger when it was being said for the last 2-3 years. And if he knows he can't win championships, then one can reasonably assume that he's just does well enough to get an additional contract, correct? I'm pretty sure you'll disagree, but remember that you said this: "i honestly don't think eaves truly believes he can win a championship with a "run and gun" offense as his primary offensive system." lol You all, don't take this the wrong way. I actually think that Eaves is putting everything he has into winning a championship with this style and I'm not questioning his competitive integrity. But, it has really never been done on this level and specifically in our conference. I've been screaming this. However, they'll be OK in conference.......at least I hope so. aahhbigboy, eaves did not use a run and gun style as his "primary offense" last year. he actually ran half court sets with screens and the whole nine yards. from what i saw, he didn't give anyone the green light to shoot 3's whenever they felt like it. we got good looks in the paint and lanes to the basket, but we simply did not have "consistent" scorers on the team last year that took advantage of the looks. eaves was liberal to an extent with the amount of 3's the team took, but we weren't jacking up 3's from anywhere and the 3's we took were good looks, we just didn't knock 'em down (at least not consistently). two years ago, rush and ewing got the green light to shoot 3's because they were "consistent" outside shooters. we ran more run and gun that year than last year. but that was because we had the personnel to do it effectively. i don't think we'll see eaves using a run and gun style throughout every game of this season. i think he may use it in stretches based on matchups or when key players have a hot hand. that's my guess. but i don't see him using that style as his "primary offense" in every game...
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Post by Bornthrilla on Nov 19, 2009 13:01:37 GMT -5
Based on what he told PJ and I after the Blue and Gold game, this is gonna be his primary offense.
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Post by Gator on Nov 19, 2009 13:03:49 GMT -5
I'm cool with pushing the ball, just take good high percentage shots and 3's when you're open.
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Post by Gator on Nov 19, 2009 13:04:49 GMT -5
in order for things to really work, you have to have an inside threat. From what I saw, Upchurch gives you that more so than Coleman.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Nov 19, 2009 13:10:00 GMT -5
Based on what he told PJ and I after the Blue and Gold game, this is gonna be his primary offense. if he does, hold on to your seat belts folks! we fixin' to go on a hail of a ride! and it might not be pretty...
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Post by Bornthrilla on Nov 19, 2009 13:51:38 GMT -5
In the Blue and Gold game, we scored over 100 points ... but then again, it was our defense who gave up all those points.
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Post by aahhbigboy on Nov 19, 2009 17:27:23 GMT -5
Based on what he told PJ and I after the Blue and Gold game, this is gonna be his primary offense. if he does, hold on to your seat belts folks! we fixin' to go on a hail of a ride! and it might not be pretty... Why are you all acting like this is new? lol They played the same exact way when Booker and Goins were here. Now, I will agree with Oldeschool about last year (from a previous post)! That was absolutely dead on about the younger guards and what not, but this is what Eaves has been and is all about (as far as style). Even last year, they ran like crazy. They're only 2 games in and they've played better schools. He'll teach defense and rebounding, they'll finish about 4th in the MEAC, and maybe we'll win more than one game in the tourney if we're lucky. This is nothing new guys/gals.
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Post by thefriscotxaggie on Nov 19, 2009 23:33:29 GMT -5
I'll say it again Alston & Hill over the past two games are less than 10% behind the arc. A run and gun off. gives the point a green light to take a pull up three. Alston & Hill took over 20 threes and hit like 2. I know its early but does Hill have the sophmore blues ?
Unfortuanely we are not saying much on the positives - Simpson & Johnson are playing very well. And in my opinion Upchurch will be on the MEAC freshman team and all MEAC next year.
I think part of why Eaves really opened up the off. is becaues Coleman is going to get 10 points a game and 8 to 10 rebounds. Not 20 points and 14 rebounds on a consistant bases. I hate to point fingers but the poor play so far points to the two point guards!!! If Hill & Alston shoot 35% behind the arc they generate points and prevent easy baskets by the opposing team.
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Post by Maxell on Nov 20, 2009 0:54:18 GMT -5
I hate to point fingers but the poor play so far points to the two point guards!!! If Hill & Alston shoot 35% behind the arc they generate points and prevent easy baskets by the opposing team. That is the truest thing you've said yet.
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Post by aggie62 on Nov 23, 2009 2:16:47 GMT -5
The only game I've seen so far was the game against Ohio and we didn't look good. It looked more like street ball than an organized, structured, disciplined and well-coached ball team. There was too much running up and down the court and shooting jump shots. There wasn't enough structured ball movement and player movement to created open shots. Instead it was just run down the court and shoot the ball then run back down the other end. There was no pressure defense and we lacked good positioning under the basket to get rebounds. Quite frankly, our rebounding was so poor that the Ohio announcer commented that it looked like our players 'wanted to do anything but get a rebound'.
Oh, I did see progress; we were able to pass the ball inbounds which we had problems with last year. But we are a long ways from the 20 victories and MEAC regular season championship that I predicted for this year. A long ways....................
BTW, I like the Upchurch kid. If he continues to develop, he's going to be good, very good.
PS: After watching the game against Ohio, it didn't supprise me that we barely got by Davis & Elkins.
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