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Post by The Professor on Dec 21, 2008 10:41:19 GMT -5
How is that petty? I'm talking about Head to Head matchups. Year in and year out GSU beats PV.
Frazier is the HC at PV right? So if his QB threw 5 ints, he should have done something before it got to 5.
Neither one of these guys is my choice but it is what it is.
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Post by The Professor on Dec 21, 2008 10:44:44 GMT -5
I do hope you guys realize that Broadway has beaten Fraizer head to head in two games. Prairie View has beaten Grambling since 1986 I hope you realize your second statement weakened your first one! How so? Just giving a history lesson. He he has never beaten Grambling shouldn't he recuit players to beat a team that he can't. You have to factor in the state of each respective program when both coaches were hired. I believe, Grambling was is much better shape when Broadway got there than when Frazier took over at PV. I think for PV to even be able to compete against Grambling these days says a lot about what Frazier has done with that program. Grambling has one of the top 3 budgets football wise in the SWAC; PV is around 9th or so... That sounds like an excuse, So he gets here and his budget isn't enough we shouldn't expect him to win? Please explain |
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Post by Aggie77 on Dec 21, 2008 13:11:21 GMT -5
Well, if HF III comes to A&T we need to make sure we don't play Grambling for the conference championship.
BTW, what's his head-to-head against your boy, that K. Phil, right?
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Post by The Professor on Dec 21, 2008 14:26:44 GMT -5
Well, if HF III comes to A&T we need to make sure we don't play Grambling for the conference championship. BTW, what's his head-to-head against your boy, that K. Phil, right? Personally I don't have a choice. I wanted Knotts and it was stated early on its a HELL NO. So I just tear apart other folks arguements for my own personal enjoyment Fayetteville State and PV ain't going to play although it would be interesting. Whoever the coach will be, I gonna support him but some adjusts have to be made in Dowdy |
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Post by oleballcoach on Dec 21, 2008 15:40:07 GMT -5
I was just adding to what someone said in regards to it being an accomplishment of them being able to compete...and I don't think he would take ANOTHER job if he didn't know he would have enough to compete on an equal playing field with the upper echelon of the conference. He has beaten everyone in the swac, at least twice, during his stint at PV with the exception of Grambling. And I may be wrong, but I believe while at BSU Frazier and Phillips split 4 games over a 3 year period!
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Post by The Professor on Dec 23, 2008 1:14:22 GMT -5
Well, if HF III comes to A&T we need to make sure we don't play Grambling for the conference championship. BTW, what's his head-to-head against your boy, that K. Phil, right? Frazier coached aginst Phillps 4 times 2000-2003 2003 BSU 13 FSU 9 2002 BSU 7 FSU 13 2001 BSU 18 FSU 7 2000 BSU 37 FSU 31 |
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Post by panther88 on Dec 23, 2008 1:24:29 GMT -5
If you look historically over the past 2 decades or so PV doesnt normally come within 3 TDs of GSU. This year's game was 26-16 in the 4th Q before GSU put 2 late TDs on the board. PV also shot themselves in the foot by throwing 5 interceptions that day, including one brought back to the house. Bottom line, they would have needed to play a flawless game to beat GSU. It was a 9-0 PV advantage b4 a P.I. call & the pick 6 changed the entire momentum of the game. And due to those 5 ints Gram only had to drive the ball from their own territory maybe 2 times...and I believe both would be GREAT candidates but lets not be petty just to pump our candidate! Take into account all things... Thank you for the assessment. I sat through the entire game, like I traditionally would, and I can guarantee you that toll of travel, toll of "ike," and other things about campus exhausted our kids. I knew they weren't mentally and PHYSICALLY prepared to play this game. 5 ints in ONE game (3 by starter Spivey and 2 by backup Bluford) will NOT get you a victory. Also, GSU threw a wrinkle in Dillon @ QB (dual threat qb). Tillman did N-O-T-H-I-N-G vs us as we were prepared to stop the strong-armed one.  Prognosticate as you may. But, put Frzr @ GSU and Broadway @ PVU and you get the same exact results. The playing field is NEVER EVER the same between both schools. PVAMU is a non-open enrollment school that does NOT accept props. GSU is an open enrollment school that does INDEED accept PROPS.  |
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Post by vatoncaggie on Dec 24, 2008 12:19:51 GMT -5
IMHO, There are certain criteria that A&T must consider when deciding on the next HC. The first of these things should be to find someone that can be productive in the harshest of atmospheres. Turning around the culture of loosing will not be easy. Next thing is to find a person who will be willing to make A&T his home. That is to say that he will not look @ this as a stepping stone to another more attractive job. After so many coaches over so few years we need consistency in our program. Last but not least that person must be willing to possibly take less money initially in order to acquire better assistants and have more money for recruiting. For these reasons and more I have to put my support behind Coach Fazier. Being the younger of the two candidates means he has the ability to stay around longer. Coming from PV means he makes less money than we can offer. Lastly he has proven himself a difference maker when turning around under achieving institutions. He seems tailor made for A&t.
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Post by DECKS on Dec 24, 2008 12:39:29 GMT -5
What is there in Fraziers resume to suggest he would stay at A&T long term? If he accepts our job it would be his third in the last 10 years. If you want a coach to commit long-term then you hire one with a background of doing such.
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Post by Aggie77 on Dec 24, 2008 13:30:12 GMT -5
Personally, I don't care it he uses the job as a stepping stone. In order to step on to the next position he will have to be successful and that’s not going to happen overnight. If he's successful and builds a successful program his replacement is easier to find.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Dec 24, 2008 13:53:50 GMT -5
i doubt that he'd use us as a stepping stone to be a head coach somewhere else because there's not too many other opportunities available to black "head coaches" that are more appealing than ours.
if he is hired, i think as long as we do what we're supposed to do in terms of salary and resources, he'll stay put for a very long time. i think he would stay at prairie view if it wasn't so far from his hometown. a&t is close enough to dc that i think he'll be happy with our location. besides, there's no better hbcu options for him that are north of greensboro except "maybe" hampton. he'd be committing coach's suicide if he went to howard. morgan could be an option but he has far better fan support at a&t.
now if he's looking to become an assistant at a pwc, then all bets off. but most successful head coaches aren't interested in becoming an assistant again. bolting for another hbcu is the least of my worries if frazier comes to greensboro...
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Post by DECKS on Dec 24, 2008 14:10:32 GMT -5
Personally, I don't care it he uses the job as a stepping stone. In order to step on to the next position he will have to be successful and that’s not going to happen overnight. If he's successful and builds a successful program his replacement is easier to find. I actually don't care if he uses it as a stepping stone as well. I just want us to be realistic in our expectations. There's very little chance he would at A&T long term...........if he's hired. |
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Post by Maxell on Dec 24, 2008 14:48:03 GMT -5
And that's OK if he can build a "program". If you look at Boise State, their coach left a few years ago and they still put 10-12 win seasons.
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Post by vatoncaggie on Dec 24, 2008 20:09:47 GMT -5
my point was not to indicate that Coach Fazier ,if hired,would be a lock as a twenty year coach. My speculation was that do to his age there would be a much higher likelihood that we could expect him to stay around longer. No matter what our current circumstances,the reality is A&T is at or near the top as far as HBCUs are concerned. So to think that Frazier as a young coach would get hired and in turn leave to go to another HBCU would be minimal. (PWC not withstanding) Coach Broadway as the HC of Grambling is already at the pinnacle of HBCU prestige. To get him would most likely include a big payday. Thus the incentive to stick around long term would be negated.
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Post by The Professor on Dec 24, 2008 21:55:26 GMT -5
Has Frazier said he won't switch jobs. If he turns A&T into a winner, someone else will take him from us, just like we are tryin to do to PV
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