bluehaze
Official BDF member
Posts: 6,418
|
Post by bluehaze on Nov 17, 2008 14:29:55 GMT -5
No. I'll go so far as to quote exactly what I am telling you. Who else would hire Jerry Moore. The man is almost 70 years old and was a .500 coach at North Texas (and had a terrible record at Texas Tech). He was close to being fired from App State just four years ago. Check your facts. All I can do is give you the facts that I have checked. It appears you are theorizing that these coaches are getting extra income because it’s nice to believe. The fact is that by and large they are not, whether you have time to search for proof or not. Ultimately you don't have to search for it because if it existed somebody on here would post it. The FCS coaches I know of that even have t.v. contracts don't get paid more than a few thousand from them. That is by and large due to the fact that very few sponsors will pay for ad time during "the Coastal Carolina Coach's Show" and the like. They do not have shoe contracts that pay them money. They do not make more than a pittance off camps or supplemental income. End of story. I guess oleschool shops at different Footlockers than the rest of us. I haven't seen alot of Black & Gold Mountanieer Nikes on the shelves. And how much do you think Fobbs was getting paid for those 15 minute interviews on the Aggie Sports Reports, that probably 25 of us listened to. Now that I think about it, I haven't listened to it in over 2 years. I don't think Bojangles is kicking in alot of dough for that exposure. |
|
Aggie77
Official BDF member
Member Since: September 2004
Posts: 5,635 
|
Post by Aggie77 on Nov 17, 2008 14:44:38 GMT -5
Thanks DOOMS, some of the those coaches' contracts are interesting reading. Check out Mack Brown. But where's the update I want to read Nicholas Lou "Nick" Saban's contract.
|
|
|
|
Post by dscot399 on Nov 17, 2008 14:46:34 GMT -5
Oleschoolaggie, using your one of your "guy" Roy Williams turned down UNC the first time because his heart was in Kansas.
You think Joe Pa would leave Penn State for additional $$$, or how about Bobby Bowden at FSU.
I would bet my life on the fact that Jim Grobe at Wake Forest has been offered more money to coach elsewhere.
How about Dean Smith or Coack K, do you think that another school could have came to the triangle and offered them a few dollars for them to leave?
Believe it or not, everyone is not up for sale to the highest bidder. Sometimes having the right fit is more important than the $$$$.
I thought it was business 101, that if you have a smaller budget that you offered lower salaries and tried to compete on your strengths. Savannah State got that memo as well!
There are outstanding coaches out there who would love an opportunity to be a head coach but you have to know where to look. You can not sit back and say poor me, I am going to wait until a coach arrive as a Savior.
There is no need for HBCU to overpay for coaches, there are plenty of coaches out there who would go about doing things the right way.
The quality of coaches (measured by number of guys who don't become HBCU lifers and are hired by bigger schools) at this level does not explain why they are getting paid more than coaches at bigger conferences with bigger budgets.
What are the chances that on the next staff there will be 2 people who don't have ties to a HBCU?
|
|
|
|
Post by dscot399 on Nov 17, 2008 14:54:57 GMT -5
|
|
oleschoolaggie
Official BDF member
2009 Poster of the Year, 2009 Most Knowledgeable Poster
Posts: 25,303
|
Post by oleschoolaggie on Nov 17, 2008 15:24:33 GMT -5
No. I'll go so far as to quote exactly what I am telling you. Who else would hire Jerry Moore. The man is almost 70 years old and was a .500 coach at North Texas (and had a terrible record at Texas Tech). He was close to being fired from App State just four years ago. Check your facts. All I can do is give you the facts that I have checked. It appears you are theorizing that these coaches are getting extra income because it’s nice to believe. The fact is that by and large they are not, whether you have time to search for proof or not. Ultimately you don't have to search for it because if it existed somebody on here would post it. The FCS coaches I know of that even have t.v. contracts don't get paid more than a few thousand from them. That is by and large due to the fact that very few sponsors will pay for ad time during "the Coastal Carolina Coach's Show" and the like. They do not have shoe contracts that pay them money. They do not make more than a pittance off camps or supplemental income. End of story. thank you! you’ve re-enforced my point! the few “measly” thousands that “reportedly” some hbcu coaches additionally make can very easily be exceeded by tv, shoe, camp, and “so called” supplementary income. you don’t have to be a big time coach to have a coach’s show. hail, even hornsby howell had one way back in the day! you don’t have to be a big time coach to benefit big time from camp revenue. so keep believing these coaches don’t have other sources of income. you can believe what you want to believe, but don’t misconstrue your beliefs with facts. i know that supplemental income does not have to be “publicly” disclosed and that includes any income from booster organizations. man, you must really have your head in the sand if you believe the only source of income for jerry moore is his base salary. in fact, you probably don’t believe that your dayum self. this man is “nationally” known in the college football sports world and you think his only source of income is his base salary? pub-leeeze! ya might be able to fool some of the people some of the time but ya ain’t foolin’ me! i know better... |
|
|
|
Post by DOOMS on Nov 17, 2008 15:53:21 GMT -5
You should calm down.
In any event, I fail to see how the following statement...
...goes to prove your point. I don't know whether you are confusing FCS, FBS, HBCU, and PWC or what, but there are no coaches below FBS (that means football bowl subdivision) that make very much from supplementary income. In fact, as the previous link showed, there are a number of coaches at the FBS level that also make very little to nothing from supplementary income.
I have posted my beliefs and I have posted the links to the facts that support these beliefs. Others have posted links that fully support these contentions. You used Jerry Moore as an example. I immediately explained the foolishness behind believing a 69 year old man that only became hot when he was 66 would have an opportunity for upward mobility. I have also explained that I have read numerous articles (and provided a link to one) that show where he explained he is very content with his only recently improved income. I could also show you where he also almost got tossed a few years ago (mainly due to booster complaints about his record) and the school decided to keep him, but what's the point? It's apparent there's about one person on here that is choosing to ignore the evidence.
We'll just have to agree to disagree on this one. I'd really like to get back to the actual topic.
dscot, you make some excellent points. Almost all the hbcu coaches are overpaid. On the other hand, many of their salaries are supplemented by teaching duties, and I won't even get into the lack of resources. That being said, a while ago I posted that I could easily have won more games than Fobbs did. When a poster typed that I was full of mularkey, I stated that I would have taken the job for 30 grand and my assistants would have been the best and highest paid in the conference, because my main goal would be to win, not to eat and drive a fancy car. I could stay in the dorm and wear school paraphenalia all the time.
|
|
|
|
Post by dscot399 on Nov 30, 2008 18:40:47 GMT -5
Doom, you better watch it! From the sounds of it you are starting to build the foundation for my next argument. INSTEAD OF WASTING VAST SUMS OF MONEY ON FOOTBALL, HBCU SHOULD PUT THAT MONEY IN MEN'S BASKETBALL
Nothing against Eaves, but $150,000/175,000 can get you one of heck of a B-ball coach! Especially when you compare it to the going rate of B-ball coaches in MEAC!
|
|
