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Post by jaffejoffa on Oct 27, 2008 20:42:31 GMT -5
King Jaffe and his political party are beginning a grassroots movement with our nominee for the A&T Head Coach position !! Ty Willingham... ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Meet Our Candidate..
Lionel Tyrone Willingham, or Ty Willingham (born December 30, 1953 in Kinston, North Carolina) is the former head football coach at the University of Washington through the end of the 2008 season. He was one of only a few African American head coaches in major college football. On October 27, 2008, Willingham announced that he would be resigning following the completion of Washington's 2008 football season.[1]
Willingham attended Jacksonville High School in Jacksonville, North Carolina and was a student and a letterman in football, basketball, and baseball.[citation needed]
Willingham currently serves as President on the American Football Coaches Association (AFCA) Board of Trustees. Willingham is married and has three children, Cassidy, Kelsey and Nathaniel, with his wife, Kim. Cassidy was a gymnast at the University of Denver from 2003 to 2006
Ty Willingham....A True Maverick
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Post by DECKS on Oct 28, 2008 7:04:05 GMT -5
Ty Willingham could make more money sitting down than he could at A&T. Besides if he couldn't win at ND & Washington then I doubt if he could win here with far less resources. All he would bring a name.
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Post by DOOMS on Oct 28, 2008 7:05:47 GMT -5
Alabama State hired Ron Dickerson from Temple. He sucked.
Alabama A&M hired Ron Cooper from Louisville. He sucked.
When will we learn?
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Post by aggiejazz on Oct 28, 2008 7:46:55 GMT -5
I wonder, too. Just because a person worked at a Fortune 500 company doesn't mean that person can run a small business. Its what the person was actually doing and learning while in the company that counts. Maybe that person was only a glorified hostess or some mail runner coach.
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Post by jaffejoffa on Oct 28, 2008 9:49:24 GMT -5
Can recruit the state .. Check Will create a HUGE national buzz... CHeck Knows the game ... Check Has a nationwide network...Check Has NC ties .. Check He just got a million dollar payout,, so money may not be the motivating factor or force..
Its a longshot and borderline crazy, but i havent heard anything else too exciting.....
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Post by DOOMS on Oct 28, 2008 9:52:07 GMT -5
Can recruit the state... XXXXX (hasn't been here in eons). Will create a HUGE national buzz... XXXXX (only for one week, tops) Has a nationwide networ... Check Will have the money to use his nationwide network to recruit... XXXXX Has NC ties... Check Can win... XXXXX
See above post regarding the successes of former I-A coaches at hbcus. It simply does not work.
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Post by Aggie Monster on Oct 28, 2008 10:08:27 GMT -5
I agree with Dooms. On the HBCU level you have to know how to turn $1 into $5.
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Post by DOOMS on Oct 28, 2008 10:17:00 GMT -5
Ultimately, Ty Willingham is a failure. Ron Cooper was a failure. Ron Dickerson was a failure. I know we are in a bad way, but now we are talking about hiring the worst coach in FBS football? I'd pick Fobbs first.
He succeeded at Stanford (sort of), but he failed at Notre Dame! And then at Washington! Ty needs to go to the pros or go to the booth.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Oct 28, 2008 12:44:43 GMT -5
my only concern with willingham would be whether he's willing to get down and dirty in order to be successful. that's what he'd have to do at an hbcu. he would no longer have the perks, budget, and amenities he had at the bcs level.
other than that, there's no reason he couldn't be successful at a&t. even though he failed at the bcs level, it doesn't translate into failure at the hbcu/fcs level. college athletics is first and foremost about "recruiting". you don't have to be the best coach in the world if you have superior talent. ask coach nickelberry at hampton if you don't believe me!
in my opinion, willingham can out coach and out recruit any coach in the meac! notre dame, stanford, and washington wouldn't hire a coach who doesn't have a clue (especially if he's black!). plus, he knows what it takes to compete against pwc's because that's all he's ever coached against. winning the meac is in "no way" on par with winning in the pac 10!
unless rags goes 3-1 or better, or a can't miss coach was available to us, i'd be inclined to strongly consider a willingham if he were interested and committed. chances are, even if he were successful at a&t, his upward mobility would probably be limited. certainly no fbs school would be swayed because he succeeded at an hbcu. and even if he took a high profile fcs gig and was successful, he still probably wouldn't be sought after by the fbs schools. his ceiling is probably at the fcs level, so he would probably be content for a while in the meac.
pete carroll and butch davis both failed at the nfl level, but are succeeding at the fbs level. so just because willingham stinks at the fbs level, doesn't mean he'll stink at the fcs level. all i'm saying is, if he's willing to get down and dirty, if he's dedicated and committed, why wouldn't we consider willingham?
i know those are big "if's", but clearly he wouldn't embarrass us by the way he carries himself and by his speaking ability. and i would have to think he could bring a staff that's "unmatched" in the meac.
no one wanted to take a chance on bozeman but morgan, and looked at the results. i'd bet some of those schools that turned him down regret it now, especially howard...
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Post by aggie62 on Oct 28, 2008 13:28:00 GMT -5
why should A&T replace coach Fobbs who went 0-22 his first 2 years with one who is currently 0-7?
I fail to see any cognitive logic in that since we are trying to improve our program and go to the playoffs.
Whew!! Help us Lord.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Oct 28, 2008 15:56:35 GMT -5
why should A&T replace coach Fobbs who went 0-22 his first 2 years with one who is currently 0-7? I fail to see any cognitive logic in that since we are trying to improve our program and go to the playoffs. Whew!! Help us Lord. aggie62, are you out of your friggin' mind! allow me to repeat myself, winning in the meac is in "no way" on par with winning in the pac 10! if you think there's even a " remote" similarity between winning in the pac 10 versus winning in the meac, then you need your head examined! you're out of your friggin' mind! do you really believe failure in the pac 10 translates into failure in the meac? omg! how could you even draw such an ill-informed comparison? are you borderline insane! i mean, really! you think the current meac coaches are more qualified and has better football minds than willingham? if so, please elaborate!!!!! please explain why you think "any" meac coach is better qualified than willingham? do you know "any" former or current hbcu coaches who have accomplished more as a coach at the fbs level than willingham? do you really think stanford, notre dame, and/or washington would consider hiring "any" hbcu coach in america as their head coach! omg! whooooooooolly cow! you're right about one thing though, lawd knows you need help!!!!!!
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Post by dwight09 on Oct 28, 2008 20:36:18 GMT -5
even if we did get willingham, the second our team becomes good big name schools would start looking at him again and i'm pretty sure that he would take the bait and leave.
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Post by Brandmasta on Oct 28, 2008 23:37:11 GMT -5
For one, he wouldnt be going up against the offensive and defensive tacticians that are in the OC and DC positions at those major schools.
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Post by Gator on Oct 29, 2008 7:59:44 GMT -5
He'll go to UNC Charlotte before he'll come to A&T.
Most of us don't want to give and support the program.
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Post by aggie62 on Oct 29, 2008 8:33:24 GMT -5
oleschoolaggie,
when were you at A&T?
Ty Willingham has been out NC so long he won't be able to recruit well here for a while, nor in SC. I'm not of the opinion that because someone coaches at a large white school they are better than some of our better HBCU coaches. That like believing the old addage that white kids are smarter than black kids. Sure there are HBCU coaches that can be winning coaches D1-A school. For example, I think Bill Hayes could have done a better job at Wake Forest than the brother they had coaching over there. By the way, remember a fellow name Fobbs who we got from a D1-A school and who had successfully coached for many years at D1-A schools. Where you impressed? No need to answer that...............
Even if we did get Willingham, what makes you think we could then afford to get the Offensive and Defensive Coordinators from Washington or any other D1-A school. Let's face it the coordinators design the game strategies and call the plays.
Keep the faith, my friend, and let's connect enough of the dots to be realistic.
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