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Post by neighborhoodsuperstar on Mar 27, 2018 11:16:16 GMT -5
So in the 1967 season, we lost to Guilford 84-84......what was the makeup of Guilford College, with respect to color?
Also, when looking back in the record books, the 1968 season is not recorded.....the records show the 1966-67 season, then skip to the 1968-69 season
Was there something going on (probation; civil rights strife) in 1968 that prevented basketball from being played in 1968??
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Post by SixtiesAggie on Mar 27, 2018 11:35:08 GMT -5
I just tried to call Gene Littles but was not able to get him. However, I did see that he finished playing at High Point in '69. I also remember seeing Coach Irvin's squads playing both Guilford and High Point closed scrimmages in Moore Gym...but I don't think that an "integrated environment" would have been an issue at that time (between '67 and '70).
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The CIAA conference tournament champion went to the NCAA DII and the conference regular season champion went to the NAIA tournament. A&T was assigned to district 26 and played several times in that tournament. I saw them beat Elon and Gardner Webb in one of those tournament in the late 60s. Integration during the 60s was difficult for the Black players. They were insulted, spat on and not allowed to play in tournaments in some states. Remember, the Supreme Court didn't render their decision on busing until the early 70s and that caused rioting in some locations. Integration is still difficult in todays society, especially in schools that were once historically Black. They remain black. Oh, Tennessee A&I (State) ruled the NAIA in basketball championships during the mid to late 50s.
Speaking of the 50s basketball. A&T was the first HBCU to make it to the NCAA DII final four. Only to be ripped off, well cheated out of a victory.
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Post by saabman on Mar 27, 2018 11:47:03 GMT -5
NSS, I have not had a chance to respond to your statement on this subject until now. In 1964 a young man by the name of Henry Logan from Asheville, N C became the first black person to receive a basketball scholarship from an all white college in the Southeast. He played for Western Carolina in Cullowhee, N C. He was a 4 time All American and is considered by many as the "Jackie Robinson" of college basketball. His recruitment opened the gates for black kids to attend white colleges. The subject at hand was who was the best basketball player or team in A&T history and I chose the 1967 team because of the caliber of competition they played against. Yes, we lost to Guilford College who had a big time player by the name of Bob Kauffman who played in the NBA for many years. He had a great supporting cast also. High Point College had a former basketball coach for A&T by the name of Gene Littles who was an All American also who played in the NBA. We also lost to teams such as Norfolk State who had players like Pee Wee Kirkland, Bobby Dandridge, Pop Pits and Hook Shot Grant. A&T and Norfolk State played against each other which is considered one of the greatest college games ever. A&T lost in 1967 - 134 - 132 in the game that consisted of 3 overtimes. We also lost to Elizabeth City who had great players like Philly Dog who was a NBA All Star, Israel Oliver and Carmichael. (I had a senior moment and forgot Philly Dog's real name) I will inform you later when my mind refocus. These examples that I gave you are a reflection of the caliber of college players this team faced. Anything is possible so I don't know how this team would have fared against Houston, UCLA, Carolina or Kentucky. This team to "me" is the best that I have observed since I have been watching Aggie basketball. Coach Corbett had great teams also and I don't believe the team that almost beat Syracuse could beat this 1967 team. It would be close though. I did not see Al Attles team when they were raising hell. It is a strong possibility that they were the best of all time. Don't disrespect the losses to the teams that I mentioned because they were loaded also. Oh, " Philly Dog's" real name is Mike Gayle or Gale. Whew! Mike Gayle aka Philly Dog played his entire career with the San Antonio Spurs a long side George Ice man Gervin . |
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Post by SixtiesAggie on Mar 27, 2018 11:51:34 GMT -5
Mistake. Gene Littles played in the ABA as did Henry Logan. I mentioned Henry Logan and Gene Littles in an earlier post, as well as Dwight Durante, a 5-8 sensation from Charlotte. He and Lawrence Bullock played at Catawba. Durante and Logan hold scoring records to this day at Western Carolina and Catawba. I believe all are in the NC Hall of Fame. |
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Post by neighborhoodsuperstar on Mar 27, 2018 11:52:06 GMT -5
What happened during that final four.....PLEASE ELABORATE!!! Speaking of the 50s basketball. A&T was the first HBCU to make it to the NCAA DII final four. Only to be ripped off, well cheated out of a victory. [/span] [/quote] |
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Post by aggierattler on Mar 27, 2018 11:56:24 GMT -5
NSS, I have not had a chance to respond to your statement on this subject until now. In 1964 a young man by the name of Henry Logan from Asheville, N C became the first black person to receive a basketball scholarship from an all white college in the Southeast. He played for Western Carolina in Cullowhee, N C. He was a 4 time All American and is considered by many as the "Jackie Robinson" of college basketball. His recruitment opened the gates for black kids to attend white colleges. The subject at hand was who was the best basketball player or team in A&T history and I chose the 1967 team because of the caliber of competition they played against. Yes, we lost to Guilford College who had a big time player by the name of Bob Kauffman who played in the NBA for many years. He had a great supporting cast also. High Point College had a former basketball coach for A&T by the name of Gene Littles who was an All American also who played in the NBA. We also lost to teams such as Norfolk State who had players like Pee Wee Kirkland, Bobby Dandridge, Pop Pits and Hook Shot Grant. A&T and Norfolk State played against each other which is considered one of the greatest college games ever. A&T lost in 1967 - 134 - 132 in the game that consisted of 3 overtimes. We also lost to Elizabeth City who had great players like Philly Dog who was a NBA All Star, Israel Oliver and Carmichael. (I had a senior moment and forgot Philly Dog's real name) I will inform you later when my mind refocus. These examples that I gave you are a reflection of the caliber of college players this team faced. Anything is possible so I don't know how this team would have fared against Houston, UCLA, Carolina or Kentucky. This team to "me" is the best that I have observed since I have been watching Aggie basketball. Coach Corbett had great teams also and I don't believe the team that almost beat Syracuse could beat this 1967 team. It would be close though. I did not see Al Attles team when they were raising hell. It is a strong possibility that they were the best of all time. Don't disrespect the losses to the teams that I mentioned because they were loaded also. Oh, " Philly Dog's" real name is Mike Gayle or Gale. Whew!
You hit some great points, too. I remember many of the guys that you talked about, but I was just a 4th grader in '67 and didn't realize the magnitude of what I was watching until later in life. Luckily, I got to see just about every Aggie home basketball game (and many road games) between then and 1971. As I mentioned, I was a ball boy at that Aggie-Spartan classic CIAA Tournament game.
Mike Gale and Israel Oliver were two of my favorite CIAA players, too.
I honestly don't recall actually seeing Gene Littles play at High Point...but he tells me that he was great! LOL!! |
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Post by aggierattler on Mar 27, 2018 12:12:26 GMT -5
I just tried to call Gene Littles but was not able to get him. However, I did see that he finished playing at High Point in '69. I also remember seeing Coach Irvin's squads playing both Guilford and High Point closed scrimmages in Moore Gym...but I don't think that an "integrated environment" would have been an issue at that time (between '67 and '70). [/font][/quote] Post: BY Aggierattler.......... The CIAA conference tournament champion went to the NCAA DII and the conference regular season champion went to the NAIA tournament. A&T was assigned to district 26 and played several times in that tournament. I saw them beat Elon and Gardner Webb in one of those tournament in the late 60s. Integration during the 60s was difficult for the Black players. They were insulted, spat on and not allowed to play in tournaments in some states. Remember, the Supreme Court didn't render their decision on busing until the early 70s and that caused rioting in some locations. Integration is still difficult in todays society, especially in schools that were once historically Black. They remain black. Oh, Tennessee A&I (State) ruled the NAIA in basketball championships during the mid to late 50s. Speaking of the 50s basketball. A&T was the first HBCU to make it to the NCAA DII final four. Only to be ripped off, well cheated out of a victory.[/quote] I remember going to District 26 tourney games. It seemed like there was a lot of tension at those games...at least to me.
Concerning the NAIA National Tournament in Kansas City, A&T never played there during the three tournaments that I attended. And, referring to racial strife and rioting, we had to leave one of the tournaments early because of violence/rioting in Greensboro and Dr. Dowdy had my old man leave Kansas City well before it was over.
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Post by SixtiesAggie on Mar 27, 2018 12:14:06 GMT -5
What happened during that final four.....PLEASE ELABORATE!!! Speaking of the 50s basketball. A&T was the first HBCU to make it to the NCAA DII final four. Only to be ripped off, well cheated out of a victory. [/span] [/quote][/quote] They played the hometown favorite Evansville College in Evansville, Indiana. Coach Cal and players and announcers questioned many of the calls made by the officials. Some players felt like the officials didn't think that they belong in the tournament. The year was 1959. That was a great TEAM. |
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Post by neighborhoodsuperstar on Mar 27, 2018 12:27:22 GMT -5
Great stuff guys.... By the way, I got past info on A&T basketball from the following site: www.ncataggies.com/fls/24500/old_site/Mensbasketball/2009-10%20ARTICLES/2009-10%20MBB%20WEB%20GUIDE/(10)_Records.pdf?DB_OEM_ID=24500This was from the 2009-10 media guide. This discussion has me thinking..........we gotta do something more to commemorate the past Aggie greats.... I would really like for there to be an "Aggie Basketball Commemoration" next year, maybe during black history month. You can have folks like 1) Coach Corbett 2) Al Attles 3) Past Aggie greats (Binion, Boyd, Becton, Cale, Sparrow, etc) Have the current team and coach sit back and absorb all the knowledge.... Have Aggie fans/students/alumni be in the audience... There have been soooooo many Aggies whom have seen/experienced much over the years in basketball. We gotta get the knowledge/folklore on camera (for posterity purposes); folks are checking out right and left. A commemoration event like this would be outstanding!!!! |
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Post by aggierattler on Mar 27, 2018 12:59:06 GMT -5
Great stuff guys.... By the way, I got past info on A&T basketball from the following site: www.ncataggies.com/fls/24500/old_site/Mensbasketball/2009-10%20ARTICLES/2009-10%20MBB%20WEB%20GUIDE/(10)_Records.pdf?DB_OEM_ID=24500This was from the 2009-10 media guide. This discussion has me thinking..........we gotta do something more to commemorate the past Aggie greats.... I would really like for there to be an "Aggie Basketball Commemoration" next year, maybe during black history month. You can have folks like 1) Coach Corbett 2) Al Attles 3) Past Aggie greats (Binion, Boyd, Becton, Cale, Sparrow, etc) Have the current team and coach sit back and absorb all the knowledge.... Have Aggie fans/students/alumni be in the audience... There have been soooooo many Aggies whom have seen/experienced much over the years in basketball. We gotta get the knowledge/folklore on camera (for posterity purposes); folks are checking out right and left. A commemoration event like this would be outstanding!!!!
I have our page and several other pages from that issue in a PDF format. The file it too large to post here, but if you PM your email address to me, I will be happy to send you a copy of it, OK?
SIXTIESAGGIE-- Attached is a picture of that 1967 Championship team that you referenced that I had stored in my Historical Sports Pictures library.
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Post by aggierattler on Mar 27, 2018 13:11:51 GMT -5
...and one of Soapy Adams and Teddy Campbell receiving their All-CIAA Tournament trophies.
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Post by SixtiesAggie on Mar 27, 2018 13:12:57 GMT -5
Aggierattler,
Thanks for the photos.
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Post by aggierattler on Mar 27, 2018 13:15:42 GMT -5
Aggierattler, Thanks for the photo.
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Post by saabman on Mar 27, 2018 14:44:12 GMT -5
NSS, I have not had a chance to respond to your statement on this subject until now. In 1964 a young man by the name of Henry Logan from Asheville, N C became the first black person to receive a basketball scholarship from an all white college in the Southeast. He played for Western Carolina in Cullowhee, N C. He was a 4 time All American and is considered by many as the "Jackie Robinson" of college basketball. His recruitment opened the gates for black kids to attend white colleges. The subject at hand was who was the best basketball player or team in A&T history and I chose the 1967 team because of the caliber of competition they played against. Yes, we lost to Guilford College who had a big time player by the name of Bob Kauffman who played in the NBA for many years. He had a great supporting cast also. High Point College had a former basketball coach for A&T by the name of Gene Littles who was an All American also who played in the NBA. We also lost to teams such as Norfolk State who had players like Pee Wee Kirkland, Bobby Dandridge, Pop Pits and Hook Shot Grant. A&T and Norfolk State played against each other which is considered one of the greatest college games ever. A&T lost in 1967 - 134 - 132 in the game that consisted of 3 overtimes. We also lost to Elizabeth City who had great players like Philly Dog who was a NBA All Star, Israel Oliver and Carmichael. (I had a senior moment and forgot Philly Dog's real name) I will inform you later when my mind refocus. These examples that I gave you are a reflection of the caliber of college players this team faced. Anything is possible so I don't know how this team would have fared against Houston, UCLA, Carolina or Kentucky. This team to "me" is the best that I have observed since I have been watching Aggie basketball. Coach Corbett had great teams also and I don't believe the team that almost beat Syracuse could beat this 1967 team. It would be close though. I did not see Al Attles team when they were raising hell. It is a strong possibility that they were the best of all time. Don't disrespect the losses to the teams that I mentioned because they were loaded also. Oh, " Philly Dog's" real name is Mike Gayle or Gale. Whew!
You hit some great points, too. I remember many of the guys that you talked about, but I was just a 4th grader in '67 and didn't realize the magnitude of what I was watching until later in life. Luckily, I got to see just about every Aggie home basketball game (and many road games) between then and 1971. As I mentioned, I was a ball boy at that Aggie-Spartan classic CIAA Tournament game.
Mike Gale and Israel Oliver were two of my favorite CIAA players, too.
I honestly don't recall actually seeing Gene Littles play at High Point...but he tells me that he was great! LOL!!Littles was a force to be reckoned with he could take over a game at any time |
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Post by aggieblackie on Mar 27, 2018 21:54:59 GMT -5
So in the 1967 season, we lost to Guilford 84-84......what was the makeup of Guilford College, with respect to color? Also, when looking back in the record books, the 1968 season is not recorded.....the records show the 1966-67 season, then skip to the 1968-69 season Was there something going on (probation; civil rights strife) in 1968 that prevented basketball from being played in 1968?? |
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