Aggie77
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Post by Aggie77 on Oct 6, 2008 22:04:09 GMT -5
At this point, I'm for the lame duck concept also. What's the point of making a change, the cost is sunk. What's he gonna do lose every game next year. Suerly we can accept that one more time. Heck there are still many that blame the players. Plus we can take a year to find a replacement.
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Post by DOOMS on Oct 7, 2008 7:42:08 GMT -5
you still need the 175+ of his salary to pay another coach, unless another department is ppicking up the tab. Read this one again: I'd just do the same thing they did with Dee. Move him to academics. That way you get his salary out of the athletic department altogether and you find somewhere that he can be succesful within the university. In other words, he still gets his paycheck and it no longer comes form the athletic dept., i.e. another department is picking up the tab. I'm not for a buyout. It's paying off somebody for failing to do an adequate job. I have no problem with him earning his pay elsewhere on campus. I also don't believe we have to pay the next guy more because we paid the last guy this or that. We just have to pay the next guy more than his current job is paying him. And if the guy is looking for an opportunity to coach at the FCS level you might not even have to do that. I just took a 50% pay cut to get in with the government because I was tired of chasing clients. I doubt a guy would take that kind of a pay cut for an opportunity, but I'm willing to bet if you have a guy that's coaching a d-3 for under 100k and is ready to make the move to FCS you ain't got to pay him much more than he's making. Just give him the opportunity. We made a number of mistakes in hiring Fobbs. From what I understand Texas A&M had already released him before we hired him, so he was jobless. We offered him the only opportunity he would probably ever get to be a head coach on the college level. He barely made 100 grand as a position coach at Texas A&M. If Dee really wanted to give him a hand, she should’ve offered him 80 grand to coach. That way he could’ve had some money to hire some experienced assistants and had a chance at being successful. An athletic director should never make the kind of decision she made. The current coach at Howard was a position coach. Howard is paying him 80 grand. I lived in DC; you can’t even afford to live there on 80 grand. But he jumped at the opportunity. They also gave the guy some experienced assistants. Now if they’d only give him the players instead of walking up to him 10 minutes before his first game and saying “these 20 guys you were counting on ain’t eligible, maybe he could get somewhere. His contract says we can reassign him. I fail to understand why they don’t reassign him to a position directly underneath the Chancellor for the remainder of his contract and use that money to pretty up the job before the next guy has to come in. Then you hire a guy whose record shows success at rebuilding at the d-2 or d-3 level and tell him you’re paying 100 grand, tops. When another school tries to snatch him after he experiences some success, then you take the money you saved when you weren’t paying him too much and pad his contract to keep him.
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Post by aggiedog on Oct 7, 2008 9:08:36 GMT -5
Sounds like a plan
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Post by aggiejazz on Oct 7, 2008 10:11:53 GMT -5
Just saddle in hang on tight for this bumpy slide and wait until December.
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Post by DOOMS on Oct 7, 2008 10:23:55 GMT -5
thang is, at this point it ain't us that's suffering. It's Fobbs and company because they have to wait for the hammer that they are fully aware is going to drop, to actually drop. And the school is reaaaally going to suffer because I have steadily been receiving e-mails from people who are dumping their homecoming rooms.
This will be the least-attended homecoming in the history of A&T. It stands to reason that donations will dry up as well. Inaction on the school's part is leading to inaction on the alumni part. And it will be a lot easier to make a move than to get people to get back up off their wallets once the decision is made to sit on them.
Can you imagine what the last three home games will look like attendance-wise? We are going to tank financially. Each day that passes where we continue to hear nothing from Aggieland insures at least seven times as many days that those envelopes we get will go unanswered.
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Post by Aggie77 on Oct 7, 2008 10:41:07 GMT -5
Though contractual he may be reassigned, isn't it also true that the reassignment MUST be consistent with his education and experience. That in my mind limits the reassignment to a very narrow segment of the University, unless of course, Coach Fobbs buys into a position outside of his education and experience. It's not like we can reassign him to Director of Intangibles, or Head Grounds Keeper, or any number of non-football positions. Plus somebody still needs to absorb the salary. If I’m the department head that is the lucky recipient of this disgruntled resource, then someone is going to help foot the bill. I think the reassignment plan is also ripe with potential legal strife ,that could increase the cost necessarily. At this point, IMO the clear cut path is to ride to the end and wish each the best of luck. That gives us both a year to plan for the future.
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Post by Bornthrilla on Oct 7, 2008 10:54:18 GMT -5
Do you mean let his entire contract run out at the end of next season or just let him finish the year this season? He still has one more year guaranteed after this one. (Thanks Dee)
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Post by DOOMS on Oct 7, 2008 11:00:04 GMT -5
Put him in the Department of Physical Education. Works for everybody involved. It's consistent with his education and experience. While the head of the dept. may or may not be thrilled with having that salary dumped on him, just tell him to like it or be replaced by Fobbs. Then promise him a budget increase down the road.
FAMU once reassigned their old basketball coach to be the chancellor's chauffeur. This was after reassigning him from women's basketball coach to men's basketball coach.
I honestly think it wouldn't be difficult if anybody bothered to try it.
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Post by Aggie77 on Oct 7, 2008 11:17:18 GMT -5
Do you mean let his entire contract run out at the end of next season or just let him finish the year this season? He still has one more year guaranteed after this one. (Thanks Dee) Yes four years and everybody meets their obligations. If we go the resign route, we either feel rushed to make a quick hire or drop the interim label on an existing staff member, both will likely replicate our W/L record again and again. We need to do this right this time. I say take our time and do it right, this will be the most critical hire ever.
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Post by Aggie77 on Oct 7, 2008 11:24:41 GMT -5
Put him in the Department of Physical Education. Works for everybody involved. It's consistent with his education and experience. While the head of the dept. may or may not be thrilled with having that salary dumped on him, just tell him to like it or be replaced by Fobbs. Then promise him a budget increase down the road. FAMU once reassigned their old basketball coach to be the chancellor's chauffeur. This was after reassigning him from women's basketball coach to men's basketball coach. I honestly think it wouldn't be difficult if anybody bothered to try it. I don't see how that works for anybody involved, Coach Fobbs ain't doing what he wants to do, the DH has to babysit a 60 year old man, the university is doubled up on the salary, and the football team is still losing, the fans are still blaming the players, the AD is still cash strapped, and the band plays on.
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Post by DOOMS on Oct 7, 2008 11:33:26 GMT -5
Well, considering it's consistent with his education and experience, he either has to like it or can be completely termed according to his contract.
The department head can kick rocks. It's the p.e. department. But I'm willing to bet the dept. head would be glad to have the help.
The university is going to be stuck with the salary, but you give people hope. Then people give money. You can even go to the people with a straight face and ask for help offloading the salary.
You have a new coach that knows what he's doing and you see one point losses turn into three point wins.
You have three point wins and nobody blames anybody.
AD is going to be cashed strapped until he gives people reason to pay these highway robbery prices to watch the team. Reassign the guy and you have a reason.
I can't help you with the band...
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Oct 7, 2008 11:42:33 GMT -5
no matter what is decided, we cannot take another year of this! i've said all along that i could live thru another year with fobbs if he wins at least 4 games, but one of them "had to be" against nccu.
my heart goes out to coach fobbs' wife and i pray that she fully recovers. i'm sure its very difficult to concentrate on football when your wife is having surgery. my prayers go out to her and the entire fobbs' family.
from what i've seen of fobbs, i personally like the guy. he just seems to be a very nice guy. i'm very sorry that the timing of the nccu loss coincides with his wife's illness and in no way is it my intention to make matters worse for an already stressful situation. but there's no escaping the fact that, in my opinion, losing to your most hated arch rival when they come into the game with a "winless record" is inexcusable.
i wish coach fobbs the very best in the future and i hope he lands somewhere on his feet. but his time is up. he's been given every opportunity to steer this ship in the right direction, yet almost 3 complete seasons later, the ship is still sinking. and the small hole in the ship just got busted open. its time to turn the page.
and in doing so, we need to not only just address our football woes, we need to shake up the entire athletic department. we need to start with the head man in charge, chancellor battle, who i highly respect, and work our way down to the very bottom.
first and foremost, we need a vision for our entire athletic department. that's battle's job. hopefully his vision for aggie athletics is to fulfill our potential as a prominent hbcu institution. no need to talk about wins and losses because if we fulfill our potential, the wins and championships will come and they'll come frequently. a school of our stature, at the very least, should have a championship "contender" in the two revenue producing sports (football and basketball) virtually every year. the same should be said of the olympic sports as well, but the emphasis must be placed on football and basketball because they bring in most of the athletic revenue.
secondly, before we talk about hiring any new coaches, we need to make sure that all of our existing athletic department administrators are competent, trustworthy, proficient, "efficient", and cost effective. we need to weed out any and all "ineffective" administrators and coaches. otherwise, it'll be more of the same. there's a reason a&t "very rarely", borderline "never" wins an meac all sports trophy. we need to fix the entire athletic department, not just the football coach.
again, my prayers go out to mrs. fobbs and the fobbs family. i'm very sorry that the trauma of mrs. fobbs' surgery coincides with such a painful loss to nccu. may God bless mrs. fobbs and the fobbs family. but its time for the fobbs era to end at a&t after the conclusion of this season...
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Post by Bornthrilla on Oct 7, 2008 12:06:01 GMT -5
Wouldn't that negatively affect our ability to recruit this offseason, since everyone will know he is not coming back in 2010?
Also wouldn't all the assistant coaches look to jump ship this offseason since they know they won't have a job here after 2009.
Having him being a lame duck would be a bad deal for everyone involved.
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Post by JayBee on Oct 7, 2008 12:53:08 GMT -5
no matter what is decided, we cannot take another year of this! i've said all along that i could live thru another year with fobbs if he wins at least 4 games, but one of them "had to be" against nccu. my heart goes out to coach fobbs' wife and i pray that she fully recovers. i'm sure its very difficult to concentrate on football when your wife is having surgery. my prayers go out to her and the entire fobbs' family. from what i've seen of fobbs, i personally like the guy. he just seems to be a very nice guy. i'm very sorry that the timing of the nccu loss coincides with his wife's illness and in no way is it my intention to make matters worse for an already stressful situation. but there's no escaping the fact that, in my opinion, losing to your most hated arch rival when they come into the game with a "winless record" is inexcusable. i wish coach fobbs the very best in the future and i hope he lands somewhere on his feet. but his time is up. he's been given every opportunity to steer this ship in the right direction, yet almost 3 complete seasons later, the ship is still sinking. and the small hole in the ship just got busted open. its time to turn the page. and in doing so, we need to not only just address our football woes, we need to shake up the entire athletic department. we need to start with the head man in charge, chancellor battle, who i highly respect, and work our way down to the very bottom. first and foremost, we need a vision for our entire athletic department. that's battle's job. hopefully his vision for aggie athletics is to fulfill our potential as a prominent hbcu institution. no need to talk about wins and losses because if we fulfill our potential, the wins and championships will come and they'll come frequently. a school of our stature, at the very least, should have a championship "contender" in the two revenue producing sports (football and basketball) virtually every year. the same should be said of the olympic sports as well, but the emphasis must be placed on football and basketball because they bring in most of the athletic revenue. secondly, before we talk about hiring any new coaches, we need to make sure that all of our existing athletic department administrators are competent, trustworthy, proficient, "efficient", and cost effective. we need to weed out any and all "ineffective" administrators and coaches. otherwise, it'll be more of the same. there's a reason a&t "very rarely", borderline "never" wins an meac all sports trophy. we need to fix the entire athletic department, not just the football coach. again, my prayers go out to mrs. fobbs and the fobbs family. i'm very sorry that the trauma of mrs. fobbs' surgery coincides with such a painful loss to nccu. may God bless mrs. fobbs and the fobbs family. but its time for the fobbs era to end at a&t after the conclusion of this season... Very well stated!
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Post by Aggie77 on Oct 7, 2008 14:00:35 GMT -5
Wouldn't that negatively affect our ability to recruit this offseason, since everyone will know he is not coming back in 2010? Also wouldn't all the assistant coaches look to jump ship this offseason since they know they won't have a job here after 2009. Having him being a lame duck would be a bad deal for everyone involved. first and foremost, we need a vision for our entire athletic department. that's battle's job. hopefully his vision for aggie athletics is to fulfill our potential as a prominent hbcu institution. no need to talk about wins and losses because if we fulfill our potential, the wins and championships will come and they'll come frequently. a school of our stature, at the very least, should have a championship "contender" in the two revenue producing sports (football and basketball) virtually every year. the same should be said of the olympic sports as well, but the emphasis must be placed on football and basketball because they bring in most of the athletic revenue. This is where I'm coming from. We need a comprehensive evaluation of the Athletic Department, top to bottom, bottom to top, including personal, facilities, student-athletics, define a vision and implement a plan to achieve that vision. I don’t think it necessary has to be Chancellor Battle’s vision, but he has to buy into it. And that gonna take time. Coach Fobbs is not the problem. So why does it matter if he’s a lame duck, or if the coaches are updating their resumes daily, or that recruiting sucks (many blame the players now) for one year. Could next year actually be any worst than the last three years, and if so, so what? If we don’t stop and evaluate what we are trying to do, we are gonna do what we always have done and hope for the best. IMO the people that really care will understand and the rest could care less. Plus the band will still be playing. We have limited resources, we need to ensure that we maximize those resources from here on out or we will not be able to compete with teams inside the MEAC, forget about outside.
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