No Letdown against Howard men BB

[econgrad71]

aahhbigboy said:

A&T's admin only wants mediocre talent. That's why it's not Fobbs or Eaves that should be scared. It should be Bibbs. Bibbs and her staff are doing way too much winning at A&T. She better be careful before she finds herself being an A.D. somewhere coming back to Corbett to whip our......

so cynical...

[aahhbigboy]

econgrad71 said:

aahhbigboy said:

A&T's admin only wants mediocre talent. That's why it's not Fobbs or Eaves that should be scared. It should be Bibbs. Bibbs and her staff are doing way too much winning at A&T. She better be careful before she finds herself being an A.D. somewhere coming back to Corbett to whip our......

so cynical...

Yeah you're right. Admin is too smart to do something as smart as fire a winning coach. I don't think that's ever happened before.

[Bigboy]

Remember Don Corbett, remember Bill Hayes? It has happen before!!!!

[Aggie77]

Every coach time comes. Corbett time came, Hayes time came!! In each case there was a pretty loud chorus of “off with their heads”. The problem wasn't in the firing; the problem is the selection process for the hiring. I don't blame the Administration; I blame the Alums, because we are sitting on our wallets and generally voice concern post event. We could have had Steve Joyner five years ago, but at $130k or was it $115k; no I think it was a $130k; but that was a budget buster, so we found a guy for $85k. Is that the Administration’s fault or the loud mouth fan yelling “Aggie Pride” but giving nothing back? Until we lay a foundation of expectations and money, we get what we get. The Administration is probably doing the best they can with the financial and knowledge resources available. After all who in the Administration is going vote for an athletic dollar over an academic dollar? In fact, I rather have nurses pass that damn exam than any MEAC Championship, because after all that is the mission.

[Bigboy]

I feel both their time's came prematurely, for whatever reason.

[Aggie77]

bigboy said:

I feel both their time's came prematurely, for whatever reason.

So do they! ;D

[aggiebred09]

It is not the fault of the Administration if they cannont afford to pay good coaches to stay. If Bibbs leaves it will be for this reason:
1. A winning Coach needs winning money.
You cant expect Bibbs to stay at A&T doing what she does unless we pay her what she is worth. Regardless if I love T or not, money talks.(Refer to 1. )

This is just my opinion and I am in no way stating facts. But I do know what goes through the minds of High School players with excellent physical ability.
2. A winning program still needs good recurits
These players arent going to be here forever. We lucked up and scrambled to get the hand we were dealt now with women's BBall, and regardless how good coach is, she needs good players. Good players need good money...Money we dont give to women BB Ball...(Football and Men's BBall get the most and the rest are scraps.)
3. A winning program needs a winning conference
If we only have one winning team in a weak conference then it is not going to benifit highschool players, who want to go pro, to attend A&T. Other than the money (Refer to #1).

This is just my opinion and I am not speaking for anyone nor the facts. But I do know what makes sense to a highschool player with the ability to play ball on a college level. The only sports with execptions to this rule would e

[aahhbigboy]

aggie77 said:

Every coach time comes. Corbett time came, Hayes time came!! In each case there was a pretty loud chorus of “off with their heads”. The problem wasn't in the firing; the problem is the selection process for the hiring. I don't blame the Administration; I blame the Alums, because we are sitting on our wallets and generally voice concern post event. We could have had Steve Joyner five years ago, but at $130k or was it $115k; no I think it was a $130k; but that was a budget buster, so we found a guy for $85k. Is that the Administration’s fault or the loud mouth fan yelling “Aggie Pride” but giving nothing back? Until we lay a foundation of expectations and money, we get what we get. The Administration is probably doing the best they can with the financial and knowledge resources available. After all who in the Administration is going vote for an athletic dollar over an academic dollar? In fact, I rather have nurses pass that damn exam than any MEAC Championship, because after all that is the mission.

I agree with a lot of what you've posted, but no money was needed to keep Hayes and/or Corbett. Admin was high and mighty and fired (I don't know if that's true with Corbett) good people and that had nothing to do with the Alumni giving back. Now that almost every team sucks to the core, people want the Alumni to bail them out with our dollars. Should it work like that? I don't think so.

[aggiebred09]

Hayes and Corbett were old school. Back when staying behind just to uplift your surroundings was the thing to do. Now people look at and like a stepping stool instead of an elevator. Well some do.

[Aggie77]

aahhbigboy said:

aggie77 said:

Every coach time comes. Corbett time came, Hayes time came!! In each case there was a pretty loud chorus of “off with their heads”. The problem wasn't in the firing; the problem is the selection process for the hiring. I don't blame the Administration; I blame the Alums, because we are sitting on our wallets and generally voice concern post event. We could have had Steve Joyner five years ago, but at $130k or was it $115k; no I think it was a $130k; but that was a budget buster, so we found a guy for $85k. Is that the Administration’s fault or the loud mouth fan yelling “Aggie Pride” but giving nothing back? Until we lay a foundation of expectations and money, we get what we get. The Administration is probably doing the best they can with the financial and knowledge resources available. After all who in the Administration is going vote for an athletic dollar over an academic dollar? In fact, I rather have nurses pass that damn exam than any MEAC Championship, because after all that is the mission.

I agree with a lot of what you've posted, but no money was needed to keep Hayes and/or Corbett. Admin was high and mighty and fired (I don't know if that's true with Corbett) good people and that had nothing to do with the Alumni giving back. Now that almost every team sucks to the core, people want the Alumni to bail them out with our dollars. Should it work like that? I don't think so.

It doesn't mean they would have keep winning under the resource restraints; after all we are close to last in athletic budget for football playing schools now. Plus they would have left at some point and the hiring process and funding restrictions would have been similar. If more alums gave more (not just money) that wouldn’t be the case, but for some reason you think the scenario would be different if their tenure was extended, I suggest we would have just prolonged the current situation to later date and the budget increases would be less than recent increases and we would be further behind.

[Bigboy]

In Corbett's case, the 2 coaches that were hired in the 2 years after he left, both won MEAC championships with Corbett's players. In Hayes case, the next year Small won the MEAC championship with Hayes players. Who's to say that the 2 of them would not have won championships themselves. Just something to think about again. I know this has been discussed before.

[Aggie77]

bigboy said:

In Corbett's case, the 2 coaches that were hired in the 2 years after he left, both won MEAC championships with Corbett's players. In Hayes case, the next year Small won the MEAC championship with Hayes players. Who's to say that the 2 of them would not have won championships themselves. Just something to think about again. I know this has been discussed before.

I have no argument with what could have happen if they stayed, but since we are speculating, my issue is, what would be different when they eventually left. I say based on the hiring process and resources the same situation probably worst, just further down the road.

See, winning heals all ills, now we see it was just smoke and mirrors. There is no foundation (endowments), no infrastructure (network of sponsors or donors), no marketing plan (the radio broadcast, a non revenue generating entity, doesn’t even provide “giving” info), all resulting in no core financial structure (other than student fees). There is no support from alums (unaffiliated), virtually no support from the Administration (until recently), the only measurable support comes from the booster organizations (affiliated alums), though $125,000 a year is welcomed appreciated it is far from what is needed. The A&T Athletic Department is primarily the AD and the Coaches, that’s were it gets done. This is why the hiring process is so critical. Yet we still dream of the times of Corbett and Hayes.

[Bigboy]

When there is no actuality all we have are dreams. For now I will just dream!! Wake me when we start winning again.

[aggiedog]

Bigboy I hope you store up alot of fat for a long hibernation lol