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Post by Bornthrilla on Sept 27, 2005 21:42:45 GMT -5
Question: Did your coaching friend sound like he was confident that they could turn things around and save their jobs, or was he about to dust off his resume and put a "for sale" sign in his yard?
I can guarantee one thing: If the coaches have given up on the season, the players won't be far behind.
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Post by Aggie Monster on Sept 28, 2005 7:27:17 GMT -5
da heretic, I agree with you there. We do have better atheletes than white Div1AA schools. They are just coached better.
We should have seen this coming though. During A&Ts last playoff run dont forget that if FAMU would have been considered in the MEAC that we would not have won the conference(I think). On top of that, Wofford just out coached us. They had 2 and I mean ONLY 2 plays. Option-left and Option-right. I think they passed the rock about 6 times all game. An option team should NEVER beat a well coached team with better atheletes. Hit YOUR man is all that needs to be done to stop an option.
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Post by Brandmasta on Sept 28, 2005 9:36:24 GMT -5
da heretic, I agree with you there. We do have better atheletes than white Div1AA schools. They are just coached better. We should have seen this coming though. During A&Ts last playoff run dont forget that if FAMU would have been considered in the MEAC that we would not have won the conference(I think). On top of that, Wofford just out coached us. They had 2 and I mean ONLY 2 plays. Option-left and Option-right. I think they passed the rock about 6 times all game. An option team should NEVER beat a well coached team with better atheletes. Hit YOUR man is all that needs to be done to stop an option. I only remember 2 pass attempts by Wofford. 1 almost intercepted and 1 pitiful incompletion. But they ran that option to perfection.
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Post by Freeze on Sept 28, 2005 9:59:24 GMT -5
Hmmmm....running a play to perfection. That sounds like proper execution. Sounds like someone demanded that of them before the game so they performed it to a "T" during the game. I wonder where the Wofford athletes learned such a thing???
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Post by aggienowwhat on Sept 28, 2005 11:06:14 GMT -5
so you are say that white coaches are better than black coaches for our players....i'm scared if that's the thought process.
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Post by da heretic on Sept 28, 2005 11:54:55 GMT -5
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"We should have seen this coming though."
You absolutely right, Aggie Monster. That's how we got smashed in '99 and '03. That's the problem with now, nobody's prepared. Coaches don't have a clue, so how do the players know what da hell's gonna happen? What I was sayin about how "unathletic" the players on the current team was that small has just begun signing "skill position" players. Most of the wr, are STILL Hayes signees. Most of the kids in small's first two classes were ol/dl. Last year, small relied on two Hayes transfers before they got hurt.
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Post by aggiegrl on Sept 28, 2005 12:58:00 GMT -5
"so you are say that white coaches are better than black coaches for our players....i'm scared if that's the thought process".
There may be some validity to this. Stephen A. from ESPN wrote an article about how professional athletes in the NBA (which we know are predominately black) don’t play as hard for black coaches as they do for white coaches. This may also be true at the collegiate level. Look at Ty Willingham, the kids at ND are playing much harder with much more determination for the new coach than they did for Ty.
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Post by Aggie Monster on Sept 28, 2005 13:01:30 GMT -5
Naw aggienowwhat, I was just making a point that we got outcoached. Doesn't matter what color they were.
Brandmasta, It may have been only 2-3 passes. I think I'm just blocking the game out. I remember the one that almost got intercepted(that would have been a game breaker if caught, he had the entire sideline). I also remember about 2 other very bad looking incompletions.
Heritic, I understand that Smalls is just now recruiting for skills positions, but kids coming to Div1AA are coming for a reason. Most(before anyone responds, I said MOST) haven't developed the skills or are not quite atheletic enough for Div1 when they were in high school. That means they have to be taught as they grow and mature. Even if the recruits were Hayes recruits they should have been coached up to meet or exceed their potential. They were obviously not giving that opportunity.
I think the best move they did was bringing in that strength coach, but his job will take 3-4 yrs before you see its affect on the program.
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Post by bluehaze on Sept 28, 2005 13:06:26 GMT -5
da heretic, I agree with you there. We do have better atheletes than white Div1AA schools. They are just coached better. We should have seen this coming though. During A&Ts last playoff run dont forget that if FAMU would have been considered in the MEAC that we would not have won the conference(I think). On top of that, Wofford just out coached us. They had 2 and I mean ONLY 2 plays. Option-left and Option-right. I think they passed the rock about 6 times all game. An option team should NEVER beat a well coached team with better atheletes. Hit YOUR man is all that needs to be done to stop an option. Nah, that's not true. We beat FAMU that year(Deloatch picked off a pass and took it to the house). Do agree with the coaching aspect of it.
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Post by aggiegrl on Sept 28, 2005 13:08:05 GMT -5
"Question: Did your coaching friend sound like he was confident that they could turn things around and save their jobs, or was he about to dust off his resume and put a "for sale" sign in his yard?
I can guarantee one thing: If the coaches have given up on the season, the players won't be far behind."
He/They don’t seem to be too worried about it. I just don’t understand the concept of not being a “hands on” coach, like coach Small. How can you not be involved in the daily rituals/activities of coaching a team? If the head coach doesn’t have a clue on what’s going on or even know some of the players’ name, how can the kids respond to this type of coaching? Can someone please respond to this question?
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Post by Aggie Monster on Sept 28, 2005 13:10:05 GMT -5
Thanks for the correction. We didn't go undefeated in the MEAC though, I just couldn't remember who beat us. We lucked out because whoever it was that beat us lost 2 other MEAC games.
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Post by bluehaze on Sept 28, 2005 13:16:34 GMT -5
"so you are say that white coaches are better than black coaches for our players....i'm scared if that's the thought process". There may be some validity to this. Stephen A. from ESPN wrote an article about how professional athletes in the NBA (which we know are predominately black) don’t play as hard for black coaches as they do for white coaches. This may also be true at the collegiate level. Look at Ty Willingham, the kids at ND are playing much harder with much more determination for the new coach than they did for Ty. Stephen A's article has been misinterpreted by alot of people. He said that black players played harder for white coaches, not because of their color. But, because the white coaches had more authority from their general managers. If George Karl is making $10million a year and doesn't have to look over his shoulder at the GM or owner, his word has more pull than Don Chaney and his $2mill. The players feel like most black coach will be fired before he is traded or benched. It's not a black or white thing. The Lakers played better under Phil than they did with Del Harris. As far as ND goes, they aint done nothing yet. Michigan and Pitt are unranked and Michigan State beat them like they do every year.
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Post by dj98 on Sept 28, 2005 13:19:06 GMT -5
Chuuuuuurch!!!!! YOU TOLD THE TRUTH.
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Post by da heretic on Sept 28, 2005 13:38:58 GMT -5
Point well taken, Aggie Monster. It's like you said, on the 1-AA level a staff has to "coach 'em up..." obviously, this staff hasn't done that, and the problem's exacerbated by recruitin "skill positions" in the third season of your coaching tenure.
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Post by Aggie E on Sept 28, 2005 13:57:06 GMT -5
"so you are say that white coaches are better than black coaches for our players....i'm scared if that's the thought process". There may be some validity to this. Stephen A. from ESPN wrote an article about how professional athletes in the NBA (which we know are predominately black) don’t play as hard for black coaches as they do for white coaches. This may also be true at the collegiate level. Look at Ty Willingham, the kids at ND are playing much harder with much more determination for the new coach than they did for Ty. Stephen A's article has been misinterpreted by alot of people. He said that black players played harder for white coaches, not because of their color. But, because the white coaches had more authority from their general managers. If George Karl is making $10million a year and doesn't have to look over his shoulder at the GM or owner, his word has more pull than Don Chaney and his $2mill. The players feel like most black coach will be fired before he is traded or benched. It's not a black or white thing. The Lakers played better under Phil than they did with Del Harris. As far as ND goes, they aint done nothing yet. Michigan and Pitt are unranked and Michigan State beat them like they do every year. aggiegrl, bluehaze, I remember Stephen A. making a reference to this in a SportsCenter interview. I think the term he used was the "perceived authority" that white coaches seem to have. It's the perception by the players that black coaches don't have the insiders advantage that white coaches do. Also that they perceive that a white coach has more "decision making" power than a black coach.
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