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Post by SHB2K on Mar 2, 2007 18:25:55 GMT -5
That's what wrong with the college game as a whole these days. Aren't many "Bangers" out there any more. Everyone wants to fly to the hole or shoot the 3. You can tell a kid to hit the weight room and work on fundamentals until your blue in the face and he will still be out on the perimeter shooting 3s on his days off. I would say it was a problem for A&T if everyone else didn't have the same issue. The reason that every college basketball team consists of many more "shooters" than "bangers" is simply because the college three point line is entirely too close! I agree that we need bangers to further open up the three point shooters, but I also agree with Eaves' Phoenix Suns, 8 second shot clock-style where if you don't score 70, you probably don't win. The NCAA has made the three point shot so easy that coaches are behooved to take advantage of it. Until they move the line back (even just a little) The Greg Odens and Al Horfords will continually be forced to defer to the three point shooting guards. On the flip side, having a team of guards gives us extreme advantages in quickness. I would argue that Jason Wills is among our top speed guys from baseline to baseline, and for the most part, he's also the closest thing we have to a center. He can beat any center in the MEAC in a fastbreak situation, but our problems come in halfcourt defense. That's where we need that banger! |
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Post by DOOMS on Mar 2, 2007 19:18:55 GMT -5
So basically any team that walks the ball up the court on us is guaranteed a win?
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Post by SHB2K on Mar 3, 2007 12:25:20 GMT -5
The answer is... YES. Just look at the Del St. game and compare it to... say.. the second Hampton game. We won the Hampton game by breaking the 70 pt. mark. Even though we did not shoot the ball at a high percentage, we attempted 59 field goals and 39 freethrows. That equals out to more than 70 possessions. Compare that to the 44 fieldgoals and 17 free throws we attempted in the Del State game which yielded about 50 possessions. Del State plays a slow, methodical half court game and they made us play their game. They walked it up, worked the half court offense, and played tough defense.
In order for us to win in this tournament we MUST push the tempo and create more possessions and more shot attempts. We lead the league in scoring and we have not won when scoring less than 69 points! I predict that we'll get to Del St., and if and when we do, we must force them to play OUR game this time.
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Post by DOOMS on Mar 3, 2007 12:25:57 GMT -5
What if we draw Cookman?
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Post by Aggie77 on Mar 3, 2007 14:31:52 GMT -5
The answer is... YES. Just look at the Del St. game and compare it to... say.. the second Hampton game. We won the Hampton game by breaking the 70 pt. mark. Even though we did not shoot the ball at a high percentage, we attempted 59 field goals and 39 freethrows. That equals out to more than 70 possessions. Compare that to the 44 fieldgoals and 17 free throws we attempted in the Del State game which yielded about 50 possessions. Del State plays a slow, methodical half court game and they made us play their game. They walked it up, worked the half court offense, and played tough defense. In order for us to win in this tournament we MUST push the tempo and create more possessions and more shot attempts. We lead the league in scoring and we have not won when scoring less than 69 points! I predict that we'll get to Del St., and if and when we do, we must force them to play OUR game this time. I don't think the pace of the game is the reason we lost twice to BCU and to DSU. Those losses are primarily due to free throws and rebounds. In the 1st BCU game they outrebounded us 52-33 with 17 on the offensive side. In the second game they got 10, three more than us and shot 83% from the line, one less attempt than us, but they made four more. Same with DSU they out rebounded us on offensive side 15 to 8, and shot 90% from the FT line. Getting out rebounded (on the defense end) and missing free-throws has little to do with the pace of the game, and more with focus and position. In fact in a slower pace game the defensive rebounds should favor us. Rebounding is some science but mostly attitude and position. In Hampton we actually won because we outrebounded them (offense and total) and made 9 more free-throws. This is what we must do if we shoot the ball below 40% from the field. This team leads the league in FT attempts which results in about 160 more attempts than our opponents, an amazing stat for a perimeter team. Couple that with the huge number of the 1st shot misses on 1-and-1's most games shouldn’t be close. If we were shooting the mid 70s instead of the mid 60s we would have 5 to six more wins at least. The difference is when we shooting the ball well this deficiency in FTs and rebounding is overcome no matter what the pace is. |
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Post by SHB2K on Mar 3, 2007 16:40:18 GMT -5
I agree with the rebounding analysis, but we have proved that we can still win despite being outrebounded (sometimes badly... i.e. FAMU). We haven't however shown that we can win without pushing the score over 70. The way to get to 70 is to push the pace, force more shot attempts, thus resulting in more free throws and creating the freethrow disparity that you pointed out.
Good point on the free throw percentage. If we shot in the mid 70's as a team, we'd probably have 4 more wins. Rebounding well and pushing the pace won't help us if we cannot connect on the freethrows.
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Post by 4XLAGGIE on Mar 4, 2007 10:40:31 GMT -5
The answer is... YES. Just look at the Del St. game and compare it to... say.. the second Hampton game. We won the Hampton game by breaking the 70 pt. mark. Even though we did not shoot the ball at a high percentage, we attempted 59 field goals and 39 freethrows. That equals out to more than 70 possessions. Compare that to the 44 fieldgoals and 17 free throws we attempted in the Del State game which yielded about 50 possessions. Del State plays a slow, methodical half court game and they made us play their game. They walked it up, worked the half court offense, and played tough defense. In order for us to win in this tournament we MUST push the tempo and create more possessions and more shot attempts. We lead the league in scoring and we have not won when scoring less than 69 points! I predict that we'll get to Del St., and if and when we do, we must force them to play OUR game this time. You can slow a team down, you cannot "make" them play at a fast pace. |
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Post by Bornthrilla on Mar 4, 2007 10:51:50 GMT -5
4XL, that statement is totally incorrect. If you control the tempo, teams are forced to either keep up with you and get blown out the damn gym. Aint no team dropping in a four corners, slow down offense when they are trailing by 15. Ask Loyola Marymount and those UNLV teams in the mid 80s. Hell, ask the Phoenix Suns right now.
All we have to do is get out to a fast start (hint hint: start Rush)and then we can dictate the pace the rest of the way.
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Post by 4XLAGGIE on Mar 4, 2007 13:09:17 GMT -5
4XL, that statement is totally incorrect. If you control the tempo, teams are forced to either keep up with you and get blown out the damn gym. Aint no team dropping in a four corners, slow down offense when they are trailing by 15. Ask Loyola Marymount and those UNLV teams in the mid 80s. Hell, ask the Phoenix Suns right now. All we have to do is get out to a fast start (hint hint: start Rush)and then we can dictate the pace the rest of the way. Delaware State does not use the four corners offense. They just do a very good job of moving the ball and executing in the half court set which utilizes more of the shot clock. We were up by nine or ten early and they slow walked us down.Getting out to a fast start is a crapshoot, not a given. A wish, hope or dream. Even when you talk about getting out fast, remember this, a fast break team allows the opponent more opportunities to come back than a team that plays a deliberate pace. Therfore a 20 point lead is more like a 10 point lead when playing against an uptempo team. And the opposite is also true. A ten point lead seems like a 20 point lead when playing a slow down style. Remember in order to "win" a championship, you must be capable of executing in the half court on both the offensive and defensive ends of the floor. Even if you get out fast early, that won't make me speed up because of the time left in the game to walk you down. |
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Post by truthseeker on Mar 4, 2007 14:23:07 GMT -5
one way to speed up the pace is to build a lead which usually make teams speed up their tempo... but either way you have to continue to knock down shots & limit the opposition to 1 shot in order to maintain that lead and force your style of play. very similar to making a team who likes to play zone & forcing them to play man to man.... you continue to knock down shots you can beat anybody....
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Post by SHB2K on Mar 9, 2007 9:29:33 GMT -5
“As the season came to an end, most teams tried to slow us down and hold the basketball so we couldn’t run,’’ said Eaves, whose team is 10-2 when it scores 80 points or more this season. “When we’re getting up and down the floor, we’re hard to beat. We aren’t successful when we don’t speed up the pace.”
We controlled the pace in that Norfolk game. We got up 56 shots and 28 free throws. Any time we do that, we will win! If a team wants to beat us, they'd better slow the pace, but its tough because we are good at playing passing lanes, getting steals, and turning them into fast breaks. FAMU likes to try to run with us, so I see it as a matchup in our favor.
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