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Post by Aggie Monster on Jul 19, 2024 17:04:36 GMT -5
That doesn't mean they are not cheering for the team and engaged with the action on the field. That's exactly what it means and what I'm saying. LOL
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Post by Bornthrilla on Jul 19, 2024 17:06:19 GMT -5
I honestly dont know because my son is on the field on Friday nights and I mainly just concentrate on him.
However, I'm not sure that posting two pictures of mostly white students at a high school football game is evidence that the black students are not engaged.
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Post by westcoastaggie on Jul 19, 2024 17:15:16 GMT -5
To utilize that "golden era of fan engagement," we had students who painted their bodies and were engaged in the games. It's just that we were in the middle of the Fobbs Error. The potential is there. We need synergy, students interested in cheering that have influence, and we gotta give the kids something to be fanatical about.
Heck, these kids heckled and harassed the football players on campus and on social media already for the 1-10 debacle. These kids seemingly are willing to be engaged with football.
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Post by Bornthrilla on Jul 19, 2024 17:25:16 GMT -5
One of the goals for our athletic department should be to figure out a way to get a higher percentage of the 14,000 enrolled students to actually come out to the stadium.
I mean, they get in for free and the majority of them are still not motivated enough to come regularly.
That has always been the biggest mystery to me.
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Post by Bornthrilla on Jul 19, 2024 17:27:19 GMT -5
We need synergy, students interested in cheering that have influence, and we gotta give the kids something to be fanatical about. The only example of this is when we have Greek Night at the men's basketball game. Notice, that is an annual promotion that is actually driven by the athletic department.
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Post by marchingband1969 on Jul 19, 2024 17:28:01 GMT -5
We can analyze the hell out of the question about the lack of game crowd engagement and point fingers at everybody but... there are two ways to increase the game day experience:
1. Homegrown- Have a group of fired up A&T students take steps to organize other students to dress and perform at home games (Livewire & Greek Organizations). This is the more natural way, but it takes a special set of fired-up students that want to take on this role. Those students don't come along that often.
2. Manufactured- Hire someone on the Athletic Department staff with the talent and objective to plan, organize and facilitate crowd engagement at home games. This person has the experience and takes on this assignment with enthusiasm.
We can continue to wait for more crowd engagement to magically appear or we can go out and make it happen ourselves. I vote for making it happen!
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Post by Aggie Monster on Jul 19, 2024 17:29:06 GMT -5
I honestly dont know because my son is on the field on Friday nights and I mainly just concentrate on him. However, I not sure that posting two pictures of mostly white students at a high school football game is evidence that the black students are not engaged. You are literally proving my point. 1) They arent interested(based on your last post 2) You ain't paying attention to your environment.
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Post by Bornthrilla on Jul 19, 2024 17:40:57 GMT -5
I definitely am more concerned about the action on the field during high school football games than what is happening in the student sections and under the bleachers.
But I still challenge you to provide more evidence to support your argument that black students are less engaged than other students.
Just posting random pictures of predominately white student sections at two high schools is not overwhelming evidence.
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Post by A&T-roy on Jul 19, 2024 18:58:16 GMT -5
I definitely am more concerned about the action on the field during high school football games than what is happening in the student sections and under the bleachers. But I still challenge you to provide more evidence to support your argument that black students are less engaged than other students. Just posting random pictures of predominately white student sections at two high schools is not overwhelming evidence. Yeah. You're an ostrich on this. #HeadInTheSand
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Post by A&T-roy on Jul 19, 2024 18:59:02 GMT -5
We can analyze the hell out of the question about the lack of game crowd engagement and point fingers at everybody but... there are two ways to increase the game day experience: 1. Homegrown- Have a group of fired up A&T students take steps to organize other students to dress and perform at home games (Livewire & Greek Organizations). This is the more natural way, but it takes a special set of fired-up students that want to take on this role. Those students don't come along that often. 2. Manufactured- Hire someone on the Athletic Department staff with the talent and objective to plan, organize and facilitate crowd engagement at home games. This person has the experience and takes on this assignment with enthusiasm. We can continue to wait for more crowd engagement to magically appear or we can go out and make it happen ourselves. I vote for making it happen! Yeah. We really need to do #2.
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Post by Aggie Monster on Jul 19, 2024 19:49:54 GMT -5
I definitely am more concerned about the action on the field during high school football games than what is happening in the student sections and under the bleachers. But I still challenge you to provide more evidence to support your argument that black students are less engaged than other students. Just posting random pictures of predominately white student sections at two high schools is not overwhelming evidence. Yeah, that's your new nickname thrilla. Ostrich....thanks Roy. What you want to me to do? Go take creepy old man pics of black kids during football games? Black kids doing what black kids do is generational. This ain't nothing new. You do remember(maybe not) I worked for a high school sports magazine decades ago? I went to 2 football games each Friday. First half of the early game and 2nd half of one that started 30 minutes later. Don't need proof nor pictures. I was there then and still see it now. EVERY 2nd game of the evening i had to plow my way past black teenagers blocking my walk ro the field and none would be watching the game.Just cause thrilla needs convincing don't make it not true.
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Post by Bornthrilla on Jul 19, 2024 20:02:00 GMT -5
I definitely am more concerned about the action on the field during high school football games than what is happening in the student sections and under the bleachers. But I still challenge you to provide more evidence to support your argument that black students are less engaged than other students. Just posting random pictures of predominately white student sections at two high schools is not overwhelming evidence. Yeah. You're an ostrich on this. #HeadInTheSand A&T-roy, didn't you just say FAMU had the kind of fan engagement that you wanted us to emulate? Isn't that black culture? I try to understand your argument but you guys keep contradicting yourselves.
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Post by saabman on Jul 19, 2024 20:24:41 GMT -5
Yeah. You're an ostrich on this. #HeadInTheSand A&T-roy, didn't you just say FAMU had the kind of fan engagement that you wanted us to emulate? Isn't that black culture? I try to understand your argument but you guys keep contradicting yourselves. Fan enthusiasm and Black Culture are two different things you're trying to mix up the two to make a point. I can tell you this I attended both HBCU and PWI institutions and I can tell you there is a big difference in the fan engagement Factor at pwi institutions. The white fans are more engaged with what is going on on the field, even the younger ones. As baseball pointed out you can point fingers and make excuses. But white fans are more inclined to let things loose at games and not give a damn what other people think, not so much for the HBCU fan. In saying that is a big difference between fan enthusiasm and engagement. As baseball pointed out you have to find a group of kids that don't give a flip about what people may say about them on campus after their conduct at the game. When you find that section of students things will begin to light up.
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Post by planoaggie on Jul 19, 2024 20:26:31 GMT -5
Why can't we see that football games are just another social event to hangout with family and friends and not necessarily to watch and cheer the team on. For students there is a big difference between a Friday game and a Saturday game. Games during the day versus at night. Lots of competition between what else could I be doing the Saturday day game for students.
Solution is to find away to make "the game" interesting through performance on the field or gimmicks surrounding the game inside the stadium. Lot of places have a loitering problem where the folks just want to meet to hangout and not partake in the main objective (hangout at mall, but don't shop; tailgate at games, but don't watch the game, hangout outside a convenient store or restaurant, but don't buy anything).
Again, I see nothing wrong with the football players or any players requesting the fans to cheer more or louder. It is just not going to happen unless changes are made.
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Post by Bornthrilla on Jul 19, 2024 21:17:29 GMT -5
As baseball pointed out you can point fingers and make excuses. But white fans are more inclined to let things loose at games and not give a damn what other people think, not so much for the HBCU fan. In saying that is a big difference between fan enthusiasm and engagement. As baseball pointed out you have to find a group of kids that don't give a flip about what people may say about them on campus after their conduct at the game. When you find that section of students things will begin to light up. So this not fan engagement? This is not black culture? These fans are not letting loose? I honestly am trying to understand your argument but you guys provide zero evidence to back up your claims. Just saying 'because I told you so' is not evidence.
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