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Post by Bornthrilla on Mar 1, 2024 10:09:45 GMT -5
Yep, I'm bout ready for this season to be over. Let's get started with the rebuilding process.
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Post by da heretic on Mar 1, 2024 10:19:10 GMT -5
Yep, I'm bout ready for this season to be over. Let's get started with the rebuilding process. Focus on da women; I have and had a better time. I knew dis men's season was a wash from da giddy up. Yo, they tried. |
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Post by saabman on Mar 1, 2024 11:10:53 GMT -5
Now that sounds better . Ross and staff can only so much . This lack of Rebounding effort is strictly on the players. Like you said it's about want an effort you can preach it multiplayer has to want to rebound. We're in a situation that we have no one to replace the effortless players with. If you are talking defensive rebounding, it's a fundamental concept. You have to understand you cannot out-jump everyone you play against so, what do you do...? You BOX OUT on the glass and your rebounding will improve! You can wait for the ball to come to you, doesn't work that way. It's not a minor concept but, it's huge in games. Over all Rebounding is no different on either end of the floor . Footwork , Body Positioning and Ball location is just as important in Rebounding as it is for shooting.A Great rebounder understands that it's about Footwork , Body positioning and Ball..i.e F-BP-B . Your great rebounders were not High Flyers and most of their rebounds were not Above the Rim/ cylinder. Westley Unseld , Bill Russell , Willis Reed, Dennis Rodman ,hell even Wilt Chamberlain would always use positioning and footwork when it came to rebounding the ball. What I see with this team is a lack of fundamental technique..Walling /Blocking out ( basic fundamental basketball) and role identification when it comes to rebounding. |
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Post by Bornthrilla on Mar 1, 2024 11:11:15 GMT -5
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Mar 1, 2024 12:35:17 GMT -5
If you are talking defensive rebounding, it's a fundamental concept. You have to understand you cannot out-jump everyone you play against so, what do you do...? You BOX OUT on the glass and your rebounding will improve! You can wait for the ball to come to you, doesn't work that way. It's not a minor concept but, it's huge in games. Over all Rebounding is no different on either end of the floor . Footwork , Body Positioning and Ball location is just as important in Rebounding as it is for shooting.A Great rebounder understands that it's about Footwork , Body positioning and Ball..i.e F-BP-B . Your great rebounders were not High Flyers and most of their rebounds were not Above the Rim/ cylinder. Westley Unseld , Bill Russell , Willis Reed, Dennis Rodman ,hell even Wilt Chamberlain would always use positioning and footwork when it came to rebounding the ball. What I see with this team is a lack of fundamental technique..Walling /Blocking out ( basic fundamental basketball) and role identification when it comes to rebounding. relative to rebounding, what i saw last night for us was a total "lack of height". boxing out is good, but if the guy you're boxing out is 6 inches or more taller than you (which was the case last night), boxing out won't help you that much most of the time cuz someone 6 inches or more taller can reach over top of you (as long as they don't displace you which is a foul) and grab the rebound. towson's bigs just pushed our "guards" around in the paint, we had no answer in the paint except for the "greek freak" who literally couldn't do it all by himself... |
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Post by saabman on Mar 1, 2024 16:24:41 GMT -5
Over all Rebounding is no different on either end of the floor . Footwork , Body Positioning and Ball location is just as important in Rebounding as it is for shooting.A Great rebounder understands that it's about Footwork , Body positioning and Ball..i.e F-BP-B . Your great rebounders were not High Flyers and most of their rebounds were not Above the Rim/ cylinder. Westley Unseld , Bill Russell , Willis Reed, Dennis Rodman ,hell even Wilt Chamberlain would always use positioning and footwork when it came to rebounding the ball. What I see with this team is a lack of fundamental technique..Walling /Blocking out ( basic fundamental basketball) and role identification when it comes to rebounding. relative to rebounding, what i saw last night for us was a total "lack of height". boxing out is good, but if the guy you're boxing out is 6 inches or more taller than you (which was the case last night), boxing out won't help you that much most of the time cuz someone 6 inches or more taller can reach over top of you (as long as they don't displace you which is a foul) and grab the rebound. towson's bigs just pushed our "guards" around in the paint, we had no answer in the paint except for the "greek freak" who literally couldn't do it all by himself... What I got from this conversation was effort and attacking the ball . Your correct height is important but so is effort and aggressive physical play. I don't know if anyone have noticed this but rebounding has been our Achilles heel for some time. It was a problem under TV, Schubert or Schaumburg whatever his name is and now under the Ross. So this lack of rebounding is nothing new for this program. A&T teams have never been a effective rebounding team since moving from the meac. Question is how do we become an effective rebounding team on both ends of the floor. This is something close Ross really has to focus on. Even before Ross cam Langley would have more rebounds in some games than our big men would that right there should tell you somebody is dropping the ball and this was back on the tv. |
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Mar 1, 2024 17:10:51 GMT -5
relative to rebounding, what i saw last night for us was a total "lack of height". boxing out is good, but if the guy you're boxing out is 6 inches or more taller than you (which was the case last night), boxing out won't help you that much most of the time cuz someone 6 inches or more taller can reach over top of you (as long as they don't displace you which is a foul) and grab the rebound. towson's bigs just pushed our "guards" around in the paint, we had no answer in the paint except for the "greek freak" who literally couldn't do it all by himself... What I got from this conversation was effort and attacking the ball . Your correct height is important but so is effort and aggressive physical play. I don't know if anyone have noticed this but rebounding has been our Achilles heel for some time. It was a problem under TV, Schubert or Schaumburg whatever his name is and now under the Ross. So this lack of rebounding is nothing new for this program. A&T teams have never been a effective rebounding team since moving from the meac. Question is how do we become an effective rebounding team on both ends of the floor. This is something close Ross really has to focus on. Even before Ross cam Langley would have more rebounds in some games than our big men would that right there should tell you somebody is dropping the ball and this was back on the tv. yeah, but i'm only referring to last night's game where there were times in the game when we had "5 guards/small forwards" on the floor at the same time. towson's post players just "pushed them around" almost as if our guys were not even there. on one occasion, i watched towson grab at least 4 separate "offensive" rebounds and it wasn't because our guys weren't trying to rebound, instead it was because towson's bigs were so much "bigger and stronger" than our guards/small forwards. as i recall last night, there were occasions when shell, glasper, mckie, joyner, and duke were all on the floor " at the same time". that's when towson's bigs just completely "dominated" the boards. imo, there wasn't too much that lineup could do about it. coach couldn't keep the "greek freak" in the entire game, he had to give him a rest at some points in the game and when he did, that left us with "zero" post players in the game... |
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Post by planoaggie on Mar 1, 2024 18:00:00 GMT -5
We have a great pinned MBB stats folder. If you look at our differential stats compared to the rest of the teams in the CAA, we are terrible in rebounds, assists, points, fg%, and 3pt%. We were bad in most of these categories last season. Rebounding differential was better, but we were still in the bottom 1/4th of the conference.
Are we getting outrebounded because we can't box out or because we can't shoot giving the other teams more opportunity to grab rebounds?
Are the other teams taking easier shots because they generate more assists compared to us thus we don't get the opportunity to grab more rebounds?
I point all of this out to say that we have a lot of work to do to get better, so rebounding is not a quick fix. It will give us a few more wins but we will still be a bad team until Coach Ross has time to fix other areas as well. I am not sure if Coach Ross thinks rebounding is his biggest problem. Maybe staying healthy due to lack of depth. We seem to always have big men hurt and lose key players due to injuries.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Mar 1, 2024 18:56:52 GMT -5
again, most teams in the caa this season are much "taller and stronger" than us. you can "teach" rebounding all you want, but until you can match or exceed the "size" of other teams, we will "always" come up short on rebounding. no reason to "over think" this issue.
personally, i "trust" coach ross's coaching. from the very beginning of the season, i saw that his team was very "fundamentally sound". but he needs more "size and strength" in the paint and if he gets it by next season, i promise you that we will not see such a disparity in rebounds anymore.
there's a reason that talented recruits who have "size" are the most sought-after recruits and the first recruits to get offers...
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Post by saabman on Mar 1, 2024 19:30:44 GMT -5
again, most teams in the caa this season are much "taller and stronger" than us. you can "teach" rebounding all you want, but until you can match or exceed the "size" of other teams, we will "always" come up short on rebounding. no reason to "over think" this issue. personally, i "trust" coach ross's coaching. from the very beginning of the season, i saw that his team was very "fundamentally sound". but he needs more "size and strength" in the paint and if he gets it by next season, i promise you that we will not see such a disparity in rebounds anymore. there's a reason that talented recruits who have "size" are the most sought-after recruits and the first recruits to get offers... Talented Big men are a high priority period. What is worrying me in the conversation of players possibly getting poached my bigger schools is losing the Greek kid who is a definite threat on both ends of the floor. The Greek Freak held his own against some of the best big men in the CAA and most of the teams that we have played, but yet people are talking about retaining a guard. Come on now 😆 |
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Post by planoaggie on Mar 2, 2024 7:29:41 GMT -5
again, most teams in the caa this season are much "taller and stronger" than us. you can "teach" rebounding all you want, but until you can match or exceed the "size" of other teams, we will "always" come up short on rebounding. no reason to "over think" this issue. personally, i "trust" coach ross's coaching. from the very beginning of the season, i saw that his team was very "fundamentally sound". but he needs more "size and strength" in the paint and if he gets it by next season, i promise you that we will not see such a disparity in rebounds anymore. there's a reason that talented recruits who have "size" are the most sought-after recruits and the first recruits to get offers... Agree with the size argument. Also, boxing out is more difficult to execute playing zone versus man. How much is this contributed to the way we play team defense? |
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Post by Bornthrilla on Mar 7, 2024 19:08:21 GMT -5
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