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Post by saabman on Oct 21, 2023 16:08:17 GMT -5
Again it's not the OC and plays it's the athletes executing the plays . Receivers are open White needs to let the ball fly and stop holding the ball so long . Guys are opentwo steps the off the line throw the damn ball . They have been giving us the 5 10 and 15 yard pich and catch routs all day . That's all Richmond is doing quick pitch and catch routes but White keeps overlooking them . Eli I have know words for . Hell put Hooker in the game ,what do we have to lose . Now that is on the OC and Brown . My cousin, do you believe a different oc would have the same results? I don’t. I just don’t believe our current oc is able to get the best out of our players for whatever reason. The defense is overperforming. Somewhere there’s a disconnect on offense and the oc hasn’t figured out how to overcome it. I can't say yes or no . But I can go on what I see on the field. Receivers open off the line and the QB chooses to hold on to the ball, tight ends open in the flats, running backs open in the flats, Slants to the middle of the field open but the quarterback wouldn't throw the ball but held on to it . So he had no choice but to run . But when he decided to utilize those receivers they moved the ball down the field. The longest pass that Richmond threw today was about 20 yards but the majority of their passes were two stride pitch and catch routes and these receivers were not the primary receiver the quarterback just saw that they were open just simple routes. That's what good quarterbacks see. That is why I continue to say it is not the play but the players executing the play. Go back and rewatch the game as I am doing now . Richmond ran all most the same identical passing routes as we did the only difference being that there QB's took what was given and let there receives do the work for them..i.e 5 or 10 yard routes turned in to a 10 or 15 yard run . When White did that we moved the ball and opened up lanes for the run because that pulled the LB's away from the box .This game was not about the receivers they play fairly well, but it was about the QB's and O-line. Also the bone headed mistakes that were made that can suck the life out of a teams confidence. That PIC6 by Eli he had a receiver wide open in the flats but chose to throw the deep ball off balance. That is a QB's decision not the OC's .
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Post by marchingband1969 on Oct 21, 2023 16:48:15 GMT -5
You guys are "receiver" watchers, I watch the linemen. And collectively, are linemen are not very good... on either side of the ball. But our offensive line is obviously bad. The tackles were getting bull rushed back into the backfield almost every play. And when they weren't getting bull rushed, they let their man run wide right into the backfield. I don't know much about receivers, but I can tell you that our offense isn't going to do squat without a decent line. And ours is awful!
Never mind changing the OC, let's get some talent on the line first.
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Post by westcoastaggie on Oct 21, 2023 16:56:00 GMT -5
You guys are "receiver" watchers, I watch the linemen. And collectively, are linemen are not very good... on either side of the ball. But our offensive line is obviously bad. The tackles were getting bull rushed back into the backfield almost every play. And when they weren't getting bull rushed, they let their man run wide right into the backfield. I don't know much about receivers, but I can tell you that our offense isn't going to do squat without a decent line. And ours is awful! Never mind changing the OC, let's get some talent on the line first. Did you notice the true and redshirt freshmen playing on the line today? 👀
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Post by westcoastaggie on Oct 21, 2023 16:56:35 GMT -5
Onward to Hampton.
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Post by marchingband1969 on Oct 21, 2023 17:01:17 GMT -5
You guys are "receiver" watchers, I watch the linemen. And collectively, are linemen are not very good... on either side of the ball. But our offensive line is obviously bad. The tackles were getting bull rushed back into the backfield almost every play. And when they weren't getting bull rushed, they let their man run wide right into the backfield. I don't know much about receivers, but I can tell you that our offense isn't going to do squat without a decent line. And ours is awful! Never mind changing the OC, let's get some talent on the line first. Did you notice the true and redshirt freshmen playing on the line today? 👀 I know we have a bunch of inexperienced players on the line. And it shows. I get it but you don't get a pass just because you're a freshman. In the future I will adjust my comments... "But our offensive line (with a bunch of freshmen) is obviously bad."
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Post by aggie2004 on Oct 21, 2023 17:07:43 GMT -5
Looking forward to the band battle. The game not so much
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Post by marchingband1969 on Oct 21, 2023 17:11:40 GMT -5
Looking forward to the band battle. The game not so much Halftime will probably be the only thing worth watching.
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Post by VA's Finest on Oct 21, 2023 17:21:55 GMT -5
Historically, we may have one of the worst offenses….EVER! I've been having a hard time locating NCAA historical statistical lows, cause we are staring 0 passing TDs for a season, and again we don't run the wing-T or veer. Smh
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Post by aggie2004 on Oct 21, 2023 17:26:04 GMT -5
Serious question how do you recruit...when you look this bad...Broadway had a history of winning something Brown doesn't have what do at you tell potential recurtis
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Post by aggiestats on Oct 21, 2023 17:40:07 GMT -5
Serious question how do you recruit...when you look this bad...Broadway had a history of winning something Brown doesn't have what do at you tell potential recurtis You sell kids on the ability to play early, division 1 football, and a great university.
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Post by DOOMS on Oct 21, 2023 17:41:16 GMT -5
Broadway dumped both of his coordinators after his first season coaching at that backwater up 85 and he went from there. He learned, adapted, and grew.
Brown will also learn, adapt, and grow.
You’d be surprised how many kids would like the opportunity to play competitive college football at a reduced cost or free. I’m only worried about recruiting if we can’t promise a better product on the offensive side of the field than we have shown.
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Post by saabman on Oct 21, 2023 17:44:36 GMT -5
Again it's not the OC and plays it's the athletes executing the plays . Receivers are open White needs to let the ball fly and stop holding the ball so long . Guys are opentwo steps the off the line throw the damn ball . They have been giving us the 5 10 and 15 yard pich and catch routs all day . That's all Richmond is doing quick pitch and catch routes but White keeps overlooking them . Eli I have know words for . Hell put Hooker in the game ,what do we have to lose . Now that is on the OC and Brown . Saabman, I have no doubt White is missing wide open receivers and backs, but I have a question for you. In every game wide open receivers/backs are overlooked even in the NFL. Wideout come to the bench passed that the QB missed them, especially when they take a look at the tabletop iPad on the bench of the play. My question to you is how much more is White not seeing the open receivers than the normal amount of overlooks every QB commits? If it is about the same, then to me the play calling is a problem or White is intentionally overlooking those throws. If he is overlooking wide open receivers/backs more than normal, then in my opinion that is a development problem for White. He is just not ready to be that great player right now. His football IQ needs to increase. A crude way to determine this is to look at the last few games and see how many receivers/backs the opposing team QB overlooked. I don't want to knock him down too much on his ability to find open players if is average compared to other QBs. Now completion percentage is a different story. You not knocking him down because your correct. But the problem is it's not just White it's all of the QB's that have played so far . I always rewatch each game to see if I could be reading more into my assignment. I also watch the competitions qb's too . Our 3 qb's have missed far more open receivers then the norm. Where as the competitions qb's would spread out the ball and take what is given RB's TE' or just open receivers in general 5,10 or 15 yards at a pop and let the receivers do the work to get the extra yards . Most of the teams that we have played use simple routes system, but the defiance is the QB's see the field and utilize all of there weapons and yes you miss open receivers but you also make easy throws to the one's that are open and don't over look a 5 or 10 yard completion for a 20 yd throw into double coverage that is the difference. I can Overlook whites shortcomings reason being. When he uses all of his receivers we move the ball steadily downfield so I know he can do it. But then something happens and the light goes off and he starts holding the ball again and overlooks the weapons that got him down field and try to make plays with his legs . That is not an uncommon behavior for young quarterbacks because they are trying to live up to all the hype and what got them to this level. But to be a good quarterback you must learn to move the ball and use your tools not just your legs. Don't get it twisted coaching has a part in this and it should be pointed out to the young man, his job is to move the ball Dink and dunking pitch and catch, finding the open man the big play will come , so why are you reverting back to your bad habits ,when you have just moved the ball down the field . We know he can run and has a strong arm but he has to learn on field personnel management and that means letting receivers do the work for you and not waiting plays by forcing the ball when a 5 or ten yard pass catch and run will do . Hell it is not hard to generate 200 yards in passing with a pitch and catch system because a catch and run adds to the QB's yardage total just like a 20 or 30 yard catch with no run after the catch . That's all that Richmond, Nova,Delaware and Elon did not big chunks but consistent easy throw chunks . Hell Tom Brady made a career off of Dink and dunk pitch catch and run passes. Hell Tom Terrific didn't really throw deep until he got Randy Moss . White has that ability because he has shown glimpses of his ability to do that but he has to develop his IQ because the talent is there. And I think sometimes people confuse physical Talent with mental and IQ Talent with are two different things. But you hit all of the right points in a nutshell ,we just have to see his development on the learning curve. Also one of the main things that I was concerned about was what happens if white has to be replaced by one of the other two quarterbacks. We saw one of them and it panned out as I expected next up is Yeager. Because Hooker must really really be in the dog house deep to not even get 2 minutes in a losing cause 😒🙄😑😞😔😢 . Even to just prove me wrong 😆 . I don't see what else the OC can do other then get out there himself. I see Pool is working to try to get the right receivers combinations on the field and the OC giving our QB's other options even to the point of throwing to Graves on a out route 😆 and Graves made the catch 😆 . So I don't know what else the OC can do . But I do feel that Eli and Yeager are not the answer if White can not go SMIB.
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Post by saabman on Oct 21, 2023 18:22:50 GMT -5
Broadway dumped both of his coordinators after his first season coaching at that backwater up 85 and he went from there. He learned, adapted, and grew. Brown will also learn, adapt, and grow. You’d be surprised how many kids would like the opportunity to play competitive college football at a reduced cost or free. I’m only worried about recruiting if we can’t promise a better product on the offensive side of the field than we have shown. If it was me in this situation. I would pull the Redshirt off all the true freshman and play them especially Blizzard in the slot or at RB . At let potential recruits will know that they have the opportunity to play right away but they have to earn it. Yes we are bad but we have shown glimpses of potential. We just need the right players to fill the gaps and I see a plug in play athlete in you as a true freshman ,Transfer or JUCO athlete. INCARNATE WORD turned their program around with that same pitch after going 1 and 10 in the Southland Conference and haven't looked back . Now they are ranked in the top 20 of FCS . It can be done .
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Post by aggie2004 on Oct 21, 2023 18:25:39 GMT -5
Broadway dumped both of his coordinators after his first season coaching at that backwater up 85 and he went from there. He learned, adapted, and grew. Brown will also learn, adapt, and grow. You’d be surprised how many kids would like the opportunity to play competitive college football at a reduced cost or free. I’m only worried about recruiting if we can’t promise a better product on the offensive side of the field than we have shown. Thats the issue we are not getting better, and the coach doesn't seem willing to change his scheme/coaches to fit the players we have.
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Post by aggie2039 on Oct 21, 2023 18:35:17 GMT -5
Broadway dumped both of his coordinators after his first season coaching at that backwater up 85 and he went from there. He learned, adapted, and grew. Brown will also learn, adapt, and grow. You’d be surprised how many kids would like the opportunity to play competitive college football at a reduced cost or free. I’m only worried about recruiting if we can’t promise a better product on the offensive side of the field than we have shown. Thats the issue we are not getting better, and the coach doesn't seem willing to change his scheme/coaches to fit the players we have. Its a run based offense, what is there to change. Like others have stated, the QBs arent making the basic throws or going through progressions. Furthermore, our WRs have consistently dropped easy passes. So what is a coach to do when your WRs drop easy passes and your QB doesnt see the field very well? At this point it is about the players and not the coaches, the coaches arent the ones dropping the open passes or making bad reads. The defense is definitely getting better.
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