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Post by Aggie One on Sept 8, 2023 12:36:38 GMT -5
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Sept 8, 2023 15:13:12 GMT -5
told folk that's the only reason why the caa added hbcu's to their conference cuz they anticipated more departures and no d2 pwc's are expected to transition to the fcs level. the same reason why the meac is having trouble adding new members cuz no d2 hbcu's are moving to the fcs level.
if delaware goes fbs, that will further "water down" the caa more than it already has...
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Post by bluehaze on Sept 8, 2023 15:32:23 GMT -5
University of West Georgia just decided to move up to Division 1.
CAA is rightfully being proactive instead of reactive. See the PAC-12.
On another note, if Delaware leaves, that brings more credence to the new Howard rumors
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Sept 8, 2023 15:53:25 GMT -5
University of West Georgia just decided to move up to Division 1. that's certainly not in the caa geographical footprint and it definitely doesn't represent a "trend" of d2's moving up to fcs... |
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Post by aggie2039 on Sept 8, 2023 16:09:14 GMT -5
Lindenwood, Tx A&M Commerce, Queens College, Dixie State and Tartleton State have moved from Div2 to Div1 within the last 2.5 years.
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Post by A&T AGGIE 96 on Sept 8, 2023 17:28:16 GMT -5
told folk that's the only reason why the caa added hbcu's to their conference cuz they anticipated more departures and no d2 pwc's are expected to transition to the fcs level. the same reason why the meac is having trouble adding new members cuz no d2 hbcu's are moving to the fcs level. if delaware goes fbs, that will further "water down" the caa more than it already has... Sent from my SM-G950U using proboards A move like this is long overdue for Delaware…hell I’m surprises any state flagship school with a decent budget hasn’t angled itself for FBS football. It also shows leadership in the CAA is being proactive by adding schools in the north and south. Anticipating how D1 sports and conferences will shift over the next ten years is hard to predict. Using your leverage as a destination conference to become the largest FCS league in the country softens any blows that may come from schools jumping ship. Any program that’s not thinking about what’s next will be left flat footed. I wouldn’t be surprised if Howard isn’t on a short list of schools the CAA would love to bring into the fold. Especially if a school like Delaware moves up. It would be bad for the MEAC, but they have to be prepared for the worst because another school is bound to leave in the next 10 years. Now MEAC leadership needs to be in talks with FSU, WSSU, VSU, BSU about what it would take for them to move up. To my knowledge now of the leadership at those schools is exploring D1 and that’s disappointing to say the least…we’ll probably see Pembroke move up before another NC HBCU. |
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Sept 8, 2023 18:44:38 GMT -5
told folk that's the only reason why the caa added hbcu's to their conference cuz they anticipated more departures and no d2 pwc's are expected to transition to the fcs level. the same reason why the meac is having trouble adding new members cuz no d2 hbcu's are moving to the fcs level. if delaware goes fbs, that will further "water down" the caa more than it already has... Sent from my SM-G950U using proboards A move like this is long overdue for Delaware…hell I’m surprises any state flagship school with a decent budget hasn’t angled itself for FBS football. It also shows leadership in the CAA is being proactive by adding schools in the north and south. Anticipating how D1 sports and conferences will shift over the next ten years is hard to predict. Using your leverage as a destination conference to become the largest FCS league in the country softens any blows that may come from schools jumping ship. Any program that’s not thinking about what’s next will be left flat footed. I wouldn’t be surprised if Howard isn’t on a short list of schools the CAA would love to bring into the fold. Especially if a school like Delaware moves up. It would be bad for the MEAC, but they have to be prepared for the worst because another school is bound to leave in the next 10 years. Now MEAC leadership needs to be in talks with FSU, WSSU, VSU, BSU about what it would take for them to move up. To my knowledge now of the leadership at those schools is exploring D1 and that’s disappointing to say the least…we’ll probably see Pembroke move up before another NC HBCU. name "any" d2 hbcu that's willing to pay more than $1 million just to "apply" to transition to the fcs level and on top of that $1 million, pony up the "extra funds" to add additional scholarships and sports teams to comply with ncaa d1 requirements? guess what? there are none! nor would i expect there to be. heck, you ain't gone find too many d2 pwc's that'll do it either even though they have more finances than most hbcu's. it is sad to me that folk like you apparently don't care about a historic hbcu institution such as the meac. its as if attracting howard to the caa would not basically end the existence of the meac. i pray that howard stays put and hopefully hampton will return to the meac to solidify the meac membership. both howard and hampton now have new leadership, hopefully they will stay true to their roots unlike a&t... these pwc conferences didn't come a runnin' to add hbcu's until they were "forced to". and for fellow hbcu alums to seemingly don't give a dayum about our fellow hbcu's struggling just to stay afloat is very disheartening... |
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Post by Aggie One on Sept 8, 2023 22:26:09 GMT -5
While everyone is looking at Howard as the next possible HBCU to seriously move to a PWI conference you need to keep your eyes on Morgan State. To me they are a more likely candidate to join the CAA than Howard because of their all-out foot race with A&T to become the first R-1 institution among HBCUs and their current chancellor's desire to make that R-1 designation a reality before the end of this decade. Besides research dollars, and academic programs, a significant part of that public imagery, whether you agree with the premise or not, is indeed tied to conference affiliation by the powers that be that make those designations.
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Post by A&T AGGIE 96 on Sept 9, 2023 6:39:49 GMT -5
A move like this is long overdue for Delaware…hell I’m surprises any state flagship school with a decent budget hasn’t angled itself for FBS football. It also shows leadership in the CAA is being proactive by adding schools in the north and south. Anticipating how D1 sports and conferences will shift over the next ten years is hard to predict. Using your leverage as a destination conference to become the largest FCS league in the country softens any blows that may come from schools jumping ship. Any program that’s not thinking about what’s next will be left flat footed. I wouldn’t be surprised if Howard isn’t on a short list of schools the CAA would love to bring into the fold. Especially if a school like Delaware moves up. It would be bad for the MEAC, but they have to be prepared for the worst because another school is bound to leave in the next 10 years. Now MEAC leadership needs to be in talks with FSU, WSSU, VSU, BSU about what it would take for them to move up. To my knowledge now of the leadership at those schools is exploring D1 and that’s disappointing to say the least…we’ll probably see Pembroke move up before another NC HBCU. name "any" d2 hbcu that's willing to pay more than $1 million just to "apply" to transition to the fcs level and on top of that $1 million, pony up the "extra funds" to add additional scholarships and sports teams to comply with ncaa d1 requirements? guess what? there are none! nor would i expect there to be. heck, you ain't gone find too many d2 pwc's that'll do it either even though they have more finances than most hbcu's. it is sad to me that folk like you apparently don't care about a historic hbcu institution such as the meac. its as if attracting howard to the caa would not basically end the existence of the meac. i pray that howard stays put and hopefully hampton will return to the meac to solidify the meac membership. both howard and hampton now have new leadership, hopefully they will stay true to their roots unlike a&t... these pwc conferences didn't come a runnin' to add hbcu's until they were "forced to". and for fellow hbcu alums to seemingly don't give a dayum about our fellow hbcu's struggling just to stay afloat is very disheartening... Oleschool you may not like having these types of conversations, but if you don’t think administrators at schools like Howard, Morgan, and Delaware State aren’t weighing their options you are fooling yourself. The CAA made an offer to Howard, you think they wouldn’t take them if Delaware moved up and Howard wanted out of the MEAC? We all know DSU has flirted with the NEC…you think Morgan has plans on being in the MEAC another 50 years…think again. That’s no thing against the MEAC, that’s just reality. You are right, the MEAC is an awesome and historic institution, but like any institution they evolve and change over time. Schools will come and go. The CIAA didn’t die when the MEAC came into being…the with the right leadership the MEAC won’t fold when schools leave either. They should expect schools to leave…even plan for it. I can’t speak to what some D2 HBCUs are doing when it comes to their future in athletics. What I do know is there are several with the enrollment, facilities, and locations that would make them a great fit for FCS leagues. They just have to get the funding and the will. You can drag your feet if you like, but sometimes the issue is forced. Look at all the “powerhouse” FCS programs that have moved up in the last 15 years. Delaware has been left behind…and they know it. Now they are trying to position themselves for the jump FBS. I argue that FSU, WSSU, VSU, and BSU…need to acknowledge that they can’t stay in the CIAA forever and start publicly planning for a move to D1. Hire consultants…put together a plan and work the plan. Like I said before, they gonna mess around and let schools like Pembroke or Barton pass them by. |
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Post by aggiegrad97 on Sept 9, 2023 11:09:31 GMT -5
name "any" d2 hbcu that's willing to pay more than $1 million just to "apply" to transition to the fcs level and on top of that $1 million, pony up the "extra funds" to add additional scholarships and sports teams to comply with ncaa d1 requirements? guess what? there are none! nor would i expect there to be. heck, you ain't gone find too many d2 pwc's that'll do it either even though they have more finances than most hbcu's. it is sad to me that folk like you apparently don't care about a historic hbcu institution such as the meac. its as if attracting howard to the caa would not basically end the existence of the meac. i pray that howard stays put and hopefully hampton will return to the meac to solidify the meac membership. both howard and hampton now have new leadership, hopefully they will stay true to their roots unlike a&t... these pwc conferences didn't come a runnin' to add hbcu's until they were "forced to". and for fellow hbcu alums to seemingly don't give a dayum about our fellow hbcu's struggling just to stay afloat is very disheartening... Oleschool you may not like having these types of conversations, but if you don’t think administrators at schools like Howard, Morgan, and Delaware State aren’t weighing their options you are fooling yourself. The CAA made an offer to Howard, you think they wouldn’t take them if Delaware moved up and Howard wanted out of the MEAC? We all know DSU has flirted with the NEC…you think Morgan has plans on being in the MEAC another 50 years…think again. That’s no thing against the MEAC, that’s just reality. You are right, the MEAC is an awesome and historic institution, but like any institution they evolve and change over time. Schools will come and go. The CIAA didn’t die when the MEAC came into being…the with the right leadership the MEAC won’t fold when schools leave either. They should expect schools to leave…even plan for it. I can’t speak to what some D2 HBCUs are doing when it comes to their future in athletics. What I do know is there are several with the enrollment, facilities, and locations that would make them a great fit for FCS leagues. They just have to get the funding and the will. You can drag your feet if you like, but sometimes the issue is forced. Look at all the “powerhouse” FCS programs that have moved up in the last 15 years. Delaware has been left behind…and they know it. Now they are trying to position themselves for the jump FBS. I argue that FSU, WSSU, VSU, and BSU…need to acknowledge that they can’t stay in the CIAA forever and start publicly planning for a move to D1. Hire consultants…put together a plan and work the plan. Like I said before, they gonna mess around and let schools like Pembroke or Barton pass them by. Pembroke has long passed by all of those schools, and Barton has most of em but not all. Shoot, Barton has a D2 natty from this century in MBB |
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