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Post by bseballaggie on Sept 5, 2023 8:47:12 GMT -5
Two things he stated really concerned me. 1. He said the QBs decided when and apparently where to pass. Q: At what point does an OC Coach see what is not successful and get in a QB's face, and how long does he watch his offense fail before he speaks up? 2. He stated that he told his OC that he wouldn't be yelling up to him to fix his ish.(paraphrase) Q: What Head Coach stands idly by and watches his Offense fail with a flawed system without at least challenging him? (passive) In the RPO system, the QB sees how the opposing team is playing before the snap and should make a decision about whether he'll run or pass (typically run with less than 8 in the box and throw with 8 or more in the box). He should also make a decision of whether he'll give the ball to the RB or keep it based on the actions of the edge defensive player. That said, we saw at least one play where Eli ran a running play and gave it to Graves against an 8-man front (the one where Graves demolished the UAB player). Good thin is that we were still able to run for more than 5 yds! We also have to remember that there were a few plays where Eli & KJ wanted to throw but got flushed and never tried to throw or didn't see someone to throw to. Related to Coach B not yelling at his coordinators, he said he would talk to them at halftime and after the game. That said, I would be very surprised if he wouldn't have conversations during timeouts or stoppages in play, I've heard enough about how good our run game is. Nobody wins with a one-dimensional offense, that should be the elephant phrase in the room. Start fast and slow down when its 10 seconds left in the game! A tempo change would have gone a long way in making UAB's defense off balance. I would have gone to my 2-minute drill passing game after the first series.
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Post by planoaggie on Sept 5, 2023 12:23:36 GMT -5
Does college have a football injury reserve (IR) or non-IR list available to the public for each game similarly to the NFL? My reason for asking is that previous posters listed key players not playing due to injury or sickness. As the season wears on, typically there are going to be more key players out due to injury or sickness (Covid and flu could be bad again this season) or not able to play at 100%. This applies to all college teams and is part of the game. What is the football slogan "Next man up"? The more talented or deeper teams worry less than others. I don't want injuries to be used as a crutch unless there are an abnormal amount of players missing or an All-CAA player is missing. This Covid thing concerns me somewhat due to its unpredictability; how it affects individuals differently; and the number of reported cases are starting to increase. A list like this could come in handy. I know some will say this helps an opponent better prepare as well but the NFL gets away with it. Per NCAA rules, programs are not obligated to issue injury reports or IR/Non-IR lists to the media and public. At this point, I’m not sure if Coach Brown is as willing to share who’s out or was out. In fact, NCATAggies.com didn’t even share a 2-deep roster or game notes last week. Other than media pros asking at pressers, we may never get those answers. Thanks. I was unaware, but was hoping something was in place.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Sept 5, 2023 14:43:47 GMT -5
other than the 2 endzone passes, all the rest of the passes during the "opening drive" were totally "easy passes". every single qb on our roster should be able to "accurately" make those throws. even "i" can make those throws! other than the 2 endzone passes, all of shedeur's opening drive passes were within 5 yards of the line of scrimmage with several being behind the line of scrimmage. all of his opening drive passes didn't require "standing in the pocket" because they were "quick hitters" which means tcu didn't have time to put an effective pass rush on him. you can make all of the excuses in the world why our team can't successfully execute those same "easy" pass plays. i don't know what opening drive you saw, but the one i saw had very "easy" minimum risk quick release passes that any high school qb can throw. i don't buy the notion that those passes were too "complex" for a redshirt freshman d1 fcs qb. so let me get this straight. are you saying that there are no "easy" passes in football? even when the defense isn't putting pressure on the qb and ain't putting pressure on the receiver either? i mean, what is an "easy" pass in football if the ones i mentioned aren't? If they are so easy and not complex that any high school QB can make, then why doesn't every college team execute it the same way? Why didn't TCU do that to UGA in the championship game last year, or Clemson vs Duke tonight, hell Winston vs that school down 85? Since it's so easy there should never be low scoring games right? No defense should be able to stop that, right? Wrong, superior defenses know how to disrupt offenses timing to make those "easy" passes very hard to achieve. You wanna know who doesn't have a superior defense to back up your argument, TCU. The defense that notoriously gave up 29 pts/game last year. Don't tell me it's easy when it's clearly not... the answer to your question is that every college team doesn't have coach prime's oc! clearly colorado's "play calling" was predicated on what tcu's defense was giving them. that's why i kept describing that tcu's db's were playing 10 yds off of the receiver that shedeur threw to. in general, all of shedeur's "opening drive" passes were short range, wide open, low risk, and he had no pass rush pressure cuz his opening drive passes were all "quick hitters". you mean to tell me that we don't have a qb who can accurately complete a short range, wide open, low risk pass, without having any pass rush pressure?the throws were "easy", but the "play calling" was why the throws were "easy", every team doesn't have coach prime's oc and every college opponent doesn't play tcu's style of defense. so it ain't like you described that any ole team should be able to do it. again, if you watched colorado's opening drive, you would've seen shedeur "change the play" at the line of scrimmage once or twice which tells me it was in their "game plan" to exploit the "10 yard cushions" that tcu gave them, very much the same as the "10 yard cushions" that uab was giving our slot guy. that's why i criticized our "play calling" rather than our qb's...
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Post by Aggie Monster on Sept 5, 2023 14:52:36 GMT -5
If they are so easy and not complex that any high school QB can make, then why doesn't every college team execute it the same way? Why didn't TCU do that to UGA in the championship game last year, or Clemson vs Duke tonight, hell Winston vs that school down 85? Since it's so easy there should never be low scoring games right? No defense should be able to stop that, right? Wrong, superior defenses know how to disrupt offenses timing to make those "easy" passes very hard to achieve. You wanna know who doesn't have a superior defense to back up your argument, TCU. The defense that notoriously gave up 29 pts/game last year. Don't tell me it's easy when it's clearly not... the answer to your question is that every college team doesn't have coach prime's oc! clearly colorado's "play calling" was predicated on what tcu's defense was giving them. that's why i kept describing that tcu's db's were playing 10 yds off of the receiver that shedeur threw to. the throws were "easy", but the "play calling" was why the throws were "easy", every team doesn't have coach prime's oc and every college opponent doesn't play tcu's style of defense. so it ain't like you described that any ole team should be able to do it. again, if you watched colorado's opening drive, you would've seen shedeur "change the play" at the line of scrimmage once or twice which tells me it was in their "game plan" to exploit the "10 yard cushions" that tcu gave them, very much the same as the "10 yard cushions" that uab was giving our slot guy. that's why i criticized our "play calling" rather than our qb's... It was their decision making for me. I feel like they missed open guys quite often looking for a bigger play. They didn't have to hold on to the balls that long or try to run when they were clearly about to take an L on the yardage front. We would have been in much better downs and distances if they had simply threw the ball away a few times. Even just 4-5 more throwaways might have made a difference in scoring. Given this was the first game I cant even say the right plays were not called. Sometimes it looked like they were and pressure(the physical kind) or nerves got the best of Brick.
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Post by saabman on Sept 5, 2023 15:17:19 GMT -5
If they are so easy and not complex that any high school QB can make, then why doesn't every college team execute it the same way? Why didn't TCU do that to UGA in the championship game last year, or Clemson vs Duke tonight, hell Winston vs that school down 85? Since it's so easy there should never be low scoring games right? No defense should be able to stop that, right? Wrong, superior defenses know how to disrupt offenses timing to make those "easy" passes very hard to achieve. You wanna know who doesn't have a superior defense to back up your argument, TCU. The defense that notoriously gave up 29 pts/game last year. Don't tell me it's easy when it's clearly not... the answer to your question is that every college team doesn't have coach prime's oc! clearly colorado's "play calling" was predicated on what tcu's defense was giving them. that's why i kept describing that tcu's db's were playing 10 yds off of the receiver that shedeur threw to. the throws were "easy", but the "play calling" was why the throws were "easy", every team doesn't have coach prime's oc and every college opponent doesn't play tcu's style of defense. so it ain't like you described that any ole team should be able to do it. again, if you watched colorado's opening drive, you would've seen shedeur "change the play" at the line of scrimmage once or twice which tells me it was in their "game plan" to exploit the "10 yard cushions" that tcu gave them, very much the same as the "10 yard cushions" that uab was giving our slot guy. that's why i criticized our "play calling" rather than our qb's... This is all on our QB's not seeing what is in front of them , has nothing to do with the play that is called by the OC. Hell even on running plays you have check/hot/ audible calls that the QB's see when they come to the line of scrimmage come on now OSA. I'll just put it this way having coached Both Receivers, RB's and QB's on offense it's never the play but the execution of the play . There are too many variables of any play in a passing situation that the quarterback can use, if he chooses to. This was all on the quarterback because for one this is not Pop Warner football where you tell or receiver I'm going to throw to you. Hell even in Pop Warner we had some kids that could see the field and just throw to the open man regardless of the play that was called. So like it or not the quarterbacks froze up and overlooked there other options,check down receivers. As coach Mayfield ( West Texas State University football ) would say "Men it never the play but it is how you execute the play ,because there are no such thing as a bad play call,DAMN IT EXECUTE THE GODDAMN PLAY RIGHT" OR I WILL FIND SOMEONE THAT WILL" . That's it in a nutshell. Time to move on to NCCU atleast for me . I'm looking forward to seeing the execution this weekend.
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Post by aggiegrad97 on Sept 5, 2023 16:46:22 GMT -5
Who were you guys’ favorite players on the field in Birmingham at:
• Offensive Skill position (QB, WR, RB, TE):
• Offensive Line:
• Defensive Line:
• Defensive Skill position: (CB, S, LB)
• Special teams (K, P, LS, Return):
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Sept 5, 2023 16:50:50 GMT -5
the answer to your question is that every college team doesn't have coach prime's oc! clearly colorado's "play calling" was predicated on what tcu's defense was giving them. that's why i kept describing that tcu's db's were playing 10 yds off of the receiver that shedeur threw to. the throws were "easy", but the "play calling" was why the throws were "easy", every team doesn't have coach prime's oc and every college opponent doesn't play tcu's style of defense. so it ain't like you described that any ole team should be able to do it. again, if you watched colorado's opening drive, you would've seen shedeur "change the play" at the line of scrimmage once or twice which tells me it was in their "game plan" to exploit the "10 yard cushions" that tcu gave them, very much the same as the "10 yard cushions" that uab was giving our slot guy. that's why i criticized our "play calling" rather than our qb's... It was their decision making for me. I feel like they missed open guys quite often looking for a bigger play. They didn't have to hold on to the balls that long or try to run when they were clearly about to take an L on the yardage front. We would have been in much better downs and distances if they had simply threw the ball away a few times. Even just 4-5 more throwaways might have made a difference in scoring. Given this was the first game I cant even say the right plays were not called. Sometimes it looked like they were and pressure(the physical kind) or nerves got the best of Brick. and that's the problem. "short passes" as the first option remove almost all of the "decision making" away from our qb. but when our qb has to "stand in the pocket" while the route running develops and he goes thru "multiple" progressions is a recipe for the errors that we saw against uab. better play calling would've taken away the necessity to "stand in the pocket" waiting for the route running to develop. that's where the "complexity" of passing the football comes into play when you have to "stand in the pocket" waiting for the route running to develop. that in my opinion requires a more "seasoned" qb to execute and your pass pro must be on point...
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Post by saabman on Sept 5, 2023 18:12:25 GMT -5
It was their decision making for me. I feel like they missed open guys quite often looking for a bigger play. They didn't have to hold on to the balls that long or try to run when they were clearly about to take an L on the yardage front. We would have been in much better downs and distances if they had simply threw the ball away a few times. Even just 4-5 more throwaways might have made a difference in scoring. Given this was the first game I cant even say the right plays were not called. Sometimes it looked like they were and pressure(the physical kind) or nerves got the best of Brick. and that's the problem. "short passes" as the first option remove almost all of the "decision making" away from our qb. but when our qb has to "stand in the pocket" while the route running develops and he goes thru "multiple" progressions is a recipe for the errors that we saw against uab. better play calling would've taken away the necessity to "stand in the pocket" waiting for the route running to develop. that's where the "complexity" of passing the football comes into play when you have to "stand in the pocket" waiting for the route running to develop. that in my opinion requires a more "seasoned" qb to execute and your pass pro must be on point... No it doesn't work like that all the time . That's why I was so hard on the receivers and the QB's. Situation change is the key that's why I said the quarterback has to see the whole field. Even if you call a quick pass the outside linebacker my decide to walk off into that space so what do you do then. It is a lot more to it than what you're saying OSA. Because that linebacker could be baiting you and fill that space at the blink of and I. UAB used not so much quick routes but slow underneath routes that are totally different routes all together. The QB had time to go down field but made the choice to throw the shorter routes. It wasn't like he couldn't go downfield he just made the choice to take what was given/ the E-ZPass. That's all because the guy had no pressure most of the game and if you will notice he set the Deep ball up on us by going short until the opening came up to go long. That is not play calling that is player play execution. Because if you look underneath on his deep passes you will see the lower routes were basically the same routes he was running before, except this time he decided to take the shot deep. Uab's QBs used his experience and it showed how he played , so it's not the play calling but it's all about the execution of the plays . A&T's could have done the same thing but they didn't. Now let's move on to Central to see if they learned anything.
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Post by popdad on Sept 5, 2023 18:15:18 GMT -5
Who were you guys’ favorite players on the field in Birmingham at: • Offensive Skill position (QB, WR, RB, TE): • Offensive Line: • Defensive Line: • Defensive Skill position: (CB, S, LB) • Special teams (K, P, LS, Return): For me the 2 running backs, Graves and Christian
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Sept 5, 2023 18:17:39 GMT -5
Who were you guys’ favorite players on the field in Birmingham at: • Offensive Skill position (QB, WR, RB, TE): • Offensive Line: • Defensive Line: • Defensive Skill position: (CB, S, LB) • Special teams (K, P, LS, Return): For me the 2 running backs, Graves and Christian agreed...
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