UNCG a HBCU?

[DOOMS]

Greensboro is 41% Black and 38% white.

The friend that told me a merger (or takeover) was an impossibility for the reasons I stated is a UNCG grad who has worked for T for over 20 years.

I guess if the state decides UNC should no longer be the flagship institution of the state and wants to relocate the UNC system headquarters to Greensboro, we merge. Otherwise I’m not worried about a merger or a mislabeled cup.

[saabman]

Aug 1, 2023 17:23:42 GMT -5 aggielaw said:

UNCG and A&T could never merge!!!! When I was at "T" a White professor in the PE Department explained that it would be a takeover.

Your professors and staff have to match the racial makeup of the community.

Blacks would not be retained because Greensboro is 75% White!

If I'm not mistaken Greensboro is a predominantly black City now.

[aggielaw]

We still will loose because of tenure and so caled qualifications.

[DOOMS]

All this speculation from a mislabeled cup?

By rights, there is no logical reason for both schools to exist as separate entities in the first place. The duplication of programs is a waste of state funds. When they decided to to make G coed they should’ve foreseen this problem. Perhaps they did and at the time they figured they could just let it eventually absorb T. Perhaps they saw that possibility as a just punishment for the sit-ins (in which girls from G, then known as the Women’s College, participated). The problem has become it became an impossibility once both schools grew far beyond what the rednecks in Chapel Hill imagined.

If we merge, you immediately have the second-largest school in the state. We’d be FCS inside of 10 minutes. R1 in 13 seconds. The piedmont triad region of the state would belong to us. You already have a fairly large number of Black kids going to UNCG as it is. With a merger I don’t know which school swallows which but you immediately have the largest HBCU becoming two and 1/2 times larger than it was before. If you’re shrewd you let T swallow G in order to maintain the hbcu moniker and be eligible for all the benefits hbcus receive, while still getting the benefits of suddenly becoming a massive pwi.

Carolina, State, ECU, Charlotte, and App do not want a new power broker. Especially not one located strategically right in the middle of the state. That’s my take on it anyways.

[marchingband1969]

Aug 2, 2023 9:16:07 GMT -5 DOOMS said:

All this speculation from a mislabeled cup?

By rights, there is no logical reason for both schools to exist as separate entities in the first place. The duplication of programs is a waste of state funds. When they decided to to make G coed they should’ve foreseen this problem. Perhaps they did and at the time they figured they could just let it eventually absorb T. Perhaps they saw that possibility as a just punishment for the sit-ins (in which girls from G, then known as the Women’s College, participated). The problem has become it became an impossibility once both schools grew far beyond what the rednecks in Chapel Hill imagined.

If we merge, you immediately have the second-largest school in the state. We’d be FCS inside of 10 minutes. R1 in 13 seconds. The piedmont triad region of the state would belong to us. You already have a fairly large number of Black kids going to UNCG as it is. With a merger I don’t know which school swallows which but you immediately have the largest HBCU becoming two and 1/2 times larger than it was before. If you’re shrewd you let T swallow G in order to maintain the hbcu moniker and be eligible for all the benefits hbcus receive, while still getting the benefits of suddenly becoming a massive pwi.

Carolina, State, ECU, Charlotte, and App do not want a new power broker. Especially not one located strategically right in the middle of the state. That’s my take on it anyways.

Doom, you made some powerful points in your comments. I'd never thought about how a merger would affect the balance of power in the State's university system. That may be the biggest obstacle standing in the way of a merger. As for who will be in control of the combined university, "dee" will make back room deals so uncg becomes the dominant school.

[DOOMS]

G would absolutely be the "dominant school," but they would do whatever it took to make sure the new school doesn't lose any advantages of being an HBCU. If that involved publicly stating A&T took over UNCG and privately letting UNCG run things, sobeit.

Best believe if it happened Bennett would be a part of the new mega-institution inside of five years.

I look at how Albany State took over Darton State in Georgia. IN GEORGIA. Why did the hbcu get to take over the pwc? Three guesses, and all of them have to do with grants and money received for being an HBCU. That's my guess anyways.

Now while the enrollment of those combined institutions plummeted after merger, I don't see a G and T merger leading to that sort of decrease in enrollment. Given the loss of affirmative action, the ever-increasing difficulty of gaining admittance to the state's flagship schools, and the cool factor of going to a school that basically owns Greensboro, has GHOE, a top band, a top engineering program, arts and sciences, and top notch facilities spanning the length of Market Street east and west...

Not to mention the state owes NC A&T billions of dollars. You think the new school wouldn't immediately go after that to further strengthen its endowment? Next thing you know you have the most powerful public school in the Carolinas.

[oleschoolaggie]

i think all of this debate about uncg is a waste of time. yes, there were "rumors" back in the day that legislators wanted to consider merging uncg and a&t but that's as far as it went. i can actually believe that the uncg mug with "hbcu" on it was a mistake.

i get it that this is an a&t message board and most posters are biased in favor of a&t. but to think that uncg actually wants to merge with a&t is a "myth". and the notion that any unc system school other than unc chapel hill will unseat unc chapel hill as the flagship university of the state, that ain't "never" gone happen barring a major screw up by unc chapel hill that causes their downfall...

[jbrob]

Just keep your eyes on the UNC Board of Governors. The current board wants to move the decision making away from the city of Chapel Hill.


Also UNC Charlotte will be the largest campus in the system.

[oleschoolaggie]

Aug 2, 2023 20:48:27 GMT -5 jbrob said:

Also UNC Charlotte will be the largest campus in the system.

that may be true, but unc chapel hill has never been the largest college in the unc system. historically, the largest college in the unc system has been nc state and continues to be the largest. i believe chapel hill is 2nd and charlotte is 3rd, but charlotte's enrollment is almost equal to chapel hill's based on the last numbers i saw.

but nc state has about 6k more students than both chapel hill and charlotte. unless there's some kinda merger or somethin', i don't see charlotte increasing their enrollment by more than 6k students any time soon. does charlotte have plans to massively increase their enrollment?