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Post by saabman on Nov 9, 2023 22:14:42 GMT -5
We have DE all day so this is not a loss for me. I'm looking for Big bodies D tackles that can play and control the 2,3 and possibly 4,5 techniques inside. I have to respectfully disagree from a philosophy perspective. If we truly offer any kid that we believe can play for A&T and they decide to go elsewhere then in my opinion it is a loss. How big of a loss depends on several things: 1. Depth at the current position on the team. 2. How many DEs did we offer in expectation of landing? All schools always offer more scholarships than what is available. 3. On our recruiting board, how high was he and what was our honest expectation of landing him? Other points could be made but it is a loss when we don't sign a recruit from a coach's perspective in my opinion. Like I said we already have too many DE's . We need inside help on the D-Line . There not killing us on the edge but on the inside we are getting man handled . Good luck youngman you will not be missed . |
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Post by saabman on Nov 9, 2023 22:16:54 GMT -5
This is a QB for us,,,not a WR; we will make his footwork better and we will have a prettttyyyy good QB- I really LIKE HIM; just hope we can Hang on to him and SIGN HIM!!! The kid is an athlete wherever he plays he will contribute as a True Freshman. |
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Post by DOOMS on Nov 10, 2023 10:11:20 GMT -5
I have to respectfully disagree from a philosophy perspective. If we truly offer any kid that we believe can play for A&T and they decide to go elsewhere then in my opinion it is a loss. How big of a loss depends on several things: 1. Depth at the current position on the team. 2. How many DEs did we offer in expectation of landing? All schools always offer more scholarships than what is available. 3. On our recruiting board, how high was he and what was our honest expectation of landing him? Other points could be made but it is a loss when we don't sign a recruit from a coach's perspective in my opinion. Like I said we already have too many DE's . We need inside help on the D-Line . There not killing us on the edge but on the inside we are getting man handled . Good luck youngman you will not be missed . I can’t do the sour grapes cuz. If he’s good enough to merit a power five scholarship that’s also an academic powerhouse, we’ll miss him both on and off the field. The bad news is we lost him, the good news is we were able to garner his interest in the first place. |
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Post by scotthall2119c on Nov 10, 2023 18:36:01 GMT -5
Yeah, I agree that I wish the kid who de-committed from A&T and signed with Duke the best. No reason to be sour about it because some of these athletes that we lose out to power 5 schools may be coming back to us as a transfer in a year or two. That’s why I like the fact that the staff is willing to go after some of these type. players. Most high school kids want to go to power 5 schools or at least FBS schools first, but when things don’t work out, they just want to go where they can play.
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Post by saabman on Nov 10, 2023 19:06:03 GMT -5
Like I said we already have too many DE's . We need inside help on the D-Line . There not killing us on the edge but on the inside we are getting man handled . Good luck youngman you will not be missed . I can’t do the sour grapes cuz. If he’s good enough to merit a power five scholarship that’s also an academic powerhouse, we’ll miss him both on and off the field. The bad news is we lost him, the good news is we were able to garner his interest in the first place. Cousin you should know me better 😆 I don't do "sour grapes" because as I have stated before " a commitment means nothing for me, the only commitment I look at is a signed commitment outside of that I really don't care ". I look at the needs and this team needs inside D Tackle help ASAP . |
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Post by westcoastaggie on Nov 10, 2023 23:31:18 GMT -5
So no commitments yet?
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Post by saabman on Nov 11, 2023 11:45:46 GMT -5
We have DE all day so this is not a loss for me. I'm looking for Big bodies D tackles that can play and control the 2,3 and possibly 4,5 techniques inside. I have to respectfully disagree from a philosophy perspective. If we truly offer any kid that we believe can play for A&T and they decide to go elsewhere then in my opinion it is a loss. How big of a loss depends on several things: 1. Depth at the current position on the team. 2. How many DEs did we offer in expectation of landing? All schools always offer more scholarships than what is available. 3. On our recruiting board, how high was he and what was our honest expectation of landing him? Other points could be made but it is a loss when we don't sign a recruit from a coach's perspective in my opinion. 1. We have 7 identified athletes at that position, 7 more D lineman with DE Size and only 1 D lineman over 280 inside with D Tackle size on the team now . That is not a problem for you 🙂 ☺️ 😊 it is for me also most are underclassmen. Because for one our LB's are catching hell and being walled off and worn down by the O linemen as the game progresses. 2. We continue to offer DE's ? When we know the prominent need is defensive tackle help on the inside. And yes a DE can grow into a defensive tackles size wise provided he learns the proper technique to play inside. I use my nephew DJ as an example he played at Clemson he played nose tackle but he was quick enough at 330lbs to play on the edge at the end also which he did for the Texans when JJ Watt got hurt. But DJ had the size and speed to play both and was always a big body. 3. Your recruiting room board should be based off a PRIORITY system and fill in the blanks afterwards. In our case on the defensive side of the ball, any side of the ball. A&T'S priority should be the inside Defensive Tackle Position on the Defensive Side. Most DE's are nothing but hybrid linebackers and I'm not built to play the inside of the line, although you have a few exceptions. But we need defensive tackles not more defensive ends. |
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Post by planoaggie on Nov 12, 2023 2:13:12 GMT -5
I have to respectfully disagree from a philosophy perspective. If we truly offer any kid that we believe can play for A&T and they decide to go elsewhere then in my opinion it is a loss. How big of a loss depends on several things: 1. Depth at the current position on the team. 2. How many DEs did we offer in expectation of landing? All schools always offer more scholarships than what is available. 3. On our recruiting board, how high was he and what was our honest expectation of landing him? Other points could be made but it is a loss when we don't sign a recruit from a coach's perspective in my opinion. Like I said we already have too many DE's . We need inside help on the D-Line . There not killing us on the edge but on the inside we are getting man handled . Good luck youngman you will not be missed . You are focusing on what we actually "need" in terms of importance or value while I am focusing on the definition of decommit and what it means to those competing for recruits. If a player decommits then you "lost" that player as a potential scholarship player for that school. What position or sport that player plays is irrelevant? Position only comes in when you introduce how important that lost or decommit was to the team. I agree that we need big DLs more than DEs. I agree that we need better WRs more than DEs. Your definition of loss is all about value to the team. For instance, we have many WRs on the team. If one of the non-starter WR or the 3rd wideout decides to transfer, you might say that is no loss to the team because he was a bad receiver (low value to the team). I will say that we lost a member of the football team period irregardless of value. We are just looking at the use of the word loss differently. |
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Post by DOOMS on Nov 12, 2023 7:24:07 GMT -5
I look at it like this.
We have a lot of defensive ends. How many could right now today merit a school offer to Duke?
That’s like saying we have a room full of wide receivers so if we lose a wr we recruit to Northwestern, it’s no loss.
This kid was obviously an upgrade in talent on the field AND in the classroom. Any way you turn it, that is a loss. There’s no better example of sour grapes than to say otherwise. While this one kid not playing d-tackle is a fact, it’s also irrelevant given his obvious ability.
Why would we turn down an upgrade in talent? Let somebody else move positions or move locations if necessary. At the end of the day if Duke came calling for ANY of our players, I believe almost every one of them would be a Blue Devil. We lost a talented kid. We acknowledge the loss, accept it, and move on. We don’t pretend it’s no loss whatsoever.
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Post by planoaggie on Nov 12, 2023 9:59:09 GMT -5
I look at it like this. We have a lot of defensive ends. How many could right now today merit a school offer to Duke? That’s like saying we have a room full of wide receivers so if we lose a wr we recruit to Northwestern, it’s no loss. This kid was obviously an upgrade in talent on the field AND in the classroom. Any way you turn it, that is a loss. There’s no better example of sour grapes than to say otherwise. While this one kid not playing d-tackle is a fact, it’s also irrelevant given his obvious ability. Why would we turn down an upgrade in talent? Let somebody else move positions or move locations if necessary. At the end of the day if Duke came calling for ANY of our players, I believe almost every one of them would be a Blue Devil. We lost a talented kid. We acknowledge the loss, accept it, and move on. We don’t pretend it’s no loss whatsoever. You and Saabman have given excellent examples of what value a player might bring to the team or what we might lose, therefore the interest or offer letter. Various Examples of Value 1. Team position most needed to fill 2. Best at a particular position 3. Academic excellence to raise team GPA or APR 4. School or team brand marketing increase (son of a famous movie star or Hall of Famer) The player's part was that he acknowledged an offer was made and acceptance. He did not have to commit (accept the offer), but he did. The school loss was that the player decommited, backed out, or did not sign. You pick the right words. This is Contract 101 albeit a NCAA "verbal agreement or commit" which carries little to no value in today's college sports world. How much we will miss a player, use a player, or fail to close the deal (transfer, sign, etc.) is based on value. A&T loses players in the recruiting war just like many other schools and this particular player decommit may or may not have been a major loss depending on an individual's perspective. |
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Post by saabman on Nov 12, 2023 18:47:43 GMT -5
Like I said we already have too many DE's . We need inside help on the D-Line . There not killing us on the edge but on the inside we are getting man handled . Good luck youngman you will not be missed . You are focusing on what we actually "need" in terms of importance or value while I am focusing on the definition of decommit and what it means to those competing for recruits. If a player decommits then you "lost" that player as a potential scholarship player for that school. What position or sport that player plays is irrelevant? Position only comes in when you introduce how important that lost or decommit was to the team. I agree that we need big DLs more than DEs. I agree that we need better WRs more than DEs. Your definition of loss is all about value to the team. For instance, we have many WRs on the team. If one of the non-starter WR or the 3rd wideout decides to transfer, you might say that is no loss to the team because he was a bad receiver (low value to the team). I will say that we lost a member of the football team period irregardless of value. We are just looking at the use of the word loss differently. Definition or not commitments or non-binding and does not take athletes off the market. Having worked in recruiting I can tell you from experience that athletes that have committed to programs attract more attention from other programs . That is why athletes that say they are committed to A&T and do not sign does not hold water with me. I do not get excited over them . I only get excited on Signing Day when they are locked in . If the youngman had signed and then asked for a release . Yes I would have seen that as a loss but this is not case . Also I don't do hypotheticals because players can develop once they hit college campuses if they have the proper coaching so comparing a player to what we already have on our team at defensive end is a totally ludicrous approach. Because the defensive ends that we have have proven themselves at the college level to a degree. Back to my point is, defensive inside tackles are the main position of need on our defense the second position of need is in the defensive secondary to a degree. But D tackles should be our primary focus in this recruitment cycle. |
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Post by saabman on Nov 12, 2023 18:52:46 GMT -5
I look at it like this. We have a lot of defensive ends. How many could right now today merit a school offer to Duke? That’s like saying we have a room full of wide receivers so if we lose a wr we recruit to Northwestern, it’s no loss. This kid was obviously an upgrade in talent on the field AND in the classroom. Any way you turn it, that is a loss. There’s no better example of sour grapes than to say otherwise. While this one kid not playing d-tackle is a fact, it’s also irrelevant given his obvious ability. Why would we turn down an upgrade in talent? Let somebody else move positions or move locations if necessary. At the end of the day if Duke came calling for ANY of our players, I believe almost every one of them would be a Blue Devil. We lost a talented kid. We acknowledge the loss, accept it, and move on. We don’t pretend it’s no loss whatsoever. You and Saabman have given excellent examples of what value a player might bring to the team or what we might lose, therefore the interest or offer letter. Various Examples of Value 1. Team position most needed to fill 2. Best at a particular position 3. Academic excellence to raise team GPA or APR 4. School or team brand marketing increase (son of a famous movie star or Hall of Famer) The player's part was that he acknowledged an offer was made and acceptance. He did not have to commit (accept the offer), but he did. The school loss was that the player decommited, backed out, or did not sign. You pick the right words. This is Contract 101 albeit a NCAA "verbal agreement or commit" which carries little to no value in today's college sports world. How much we will miss a player, use a player, or fail to close the deal (transfer, sign, etc.) is based on value. A&T loses players in the recruiting war just like many other schools and this particular player decommit may or may not have been a major loss depending on an individual's perspective. 😆 🤣 😂 it is always been about perspective and opinions, that's what makes for good conversation.SMIB RESPECT 🙏 🫡 👏 👍 👌 🙌 🙏 |
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Post by westcoastaggie on Nov 12, 2023 19:02:09 GMT -5
No commitments today?
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Post by Aggie One on Nov 12, 2023 20:04:30 GMT -5
No. You really won't start to see the majority of HS players starting to declare their intentions until sometime after Thanksgiving. Kids will be announcing their commitment choices once they come out of the dead period which ends in mid-December.
The landscape of college football recruiting has changed significantly over the last 4 years with nearly 80 percent of all D-1 (FBS,FCS) football recruiting now being completed during the early signing period in December supplanting the February date as the big National Signing Day for most teams.
Early Signing Dates for the Class of 2024
Division I (early period)
December 20, 2023 -December 22, 2023
Division I and Division II (mid-year JC transfer)
December 20, 2023-January 15, 2024
Portal Transfers- Early Period
The college football transfer portal window will begin on December 4, 2023 and will last until January 3, 2024. During this time, players can enter the transfer portal and potentially transfer to their new schools.
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Post by ATLaggie on Nov 14, 2023 10:30:42 GMT -5
No. You really won't start to see the majority of HS players starting to declare their intentions until sometime after Thanksgiving. Kids will be announcing their commitment choices once they come out of the dead period which ends in mid-December. The landscape of college football recruiting has changed significantly over the last 4 years with nearly 80 percent of all D-1 (FBS,FCS) football recruiting now being completed during the early signing period in December supplanting the February date as the big National Signing Day for most teams. Early Signing Dates for the Class of 2024
Division I (early period)
December 20, 2023 -December 22, 2023
Division I and Division II (mid-year JC transfer)
December 20, 2023-January 15, 2024
Portal Transfers- Early Period
The college football transfer portal window will begin on December 4, 2023 and will last until January 3, 2024. During this time, players can enter the transfer portal and potentially transfer to their new schools.
Yesterday, Coach Brown alluded to the fact that we may have one or two guys jump in the Transfer Portal. I hope we get more from it. |
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