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Post by neighborhoodsuperstar on Nov 2, 2023 14:14:20 GMT -5
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Post by DOOMS on Nov 2, 2023 14:18:51 GMT -5
+1 lol Except that might actually be a potent combination
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Post by saabman on Nov 2, 2023 15:00:53 GMT -5
I understand what your saying Dooms trust me I do . And I agree that his passing game numbers were not top 100th numbers hell top 120 lol. My view is the type of athletes that Colgate and programs like Colgate recruit..i.e Ivy League program. Most programs Ivy League programs do not Crack the Top 129 in D1 recruitment rankings and outside of the Creme de La Creme programs like Harvard, Princeton, Yale and sometimes Brown at the FCS level most are not in the top 10 or 20 . But Young Won games and scored points by what ever means he won games that all "I" care about. Teams like Colgate recruit for team and system Fit..i.e Run pass or both And then plugged that Talent into there system which makes it easier for and OC , because he doesn't have to really change a recruits natural instincts or tendencies and isn't removed that far from his comfort zone just add to it at this level . Also Time with talent is important! One spring practice does not give you a true gage of what system will really be the identity of your talent and what an OC wants to do and can do especially when most of that talent is inexperienced talent at your Skill positions . I'm not saying Young is a Good Bad or Great OC but I am saying let the season play out and give the man his shot to prove or not prove that he is up to the task . Also North and South Dakota are barely ranked in the top 10 in recruiting but yet they continue to dominate the FCS landscape. By recruiting the talent that fit. Cousin, you're kind of solidifying my points. We're dead last in total offense and passing offense. Again, Young wasn't the one winning those games. If he was he'd still be there after a 10-2 season. When we're recruiting kids what's the selling point that Young brings? "We'll eventually get to the level where we pass for seven tds in a season and we'll win games around what little he brings to the table as oc? Young was OC at Colgate from 2014-2018. Had only one offense that averaged over 28 points per game and only one that averaged over 400 yards per game. In 2018 they went 10-2 and his offense averaged 27 points and 344 yards per game with a whopping 7 td passes. The next year he was wr coach at Elon. In 2015 they went 9-5. 25 points per game, 11 passing tds, 388 yards per game. To be fair, both teams had a ton of rushing tds. But not enough to crack 28 points per game. The most td passes any of his teams had was 18. Two of his teams had 7 td passes over the course of the season. TWO. If that's not the definition of winning in spite of the OC... I don't see how that benefits us at all. Especially when we're now pulling up the rear in almost every offensive category. This probably puts us two years behind in our rebuild. But he won with what he had . I'm not did disagreeing or agreeing with you here . You're talking about passing stats, I'm talking about winning games . As far has his reason's for leaving or being fired or what ever we don't know . It could have been a coaching philosophy conflict ie 1 wants to stay with the Run the other wants to open up the office who knows. But what I do know he is here now. University of Texas, Oklahoma and Arkansas won National Championships with the wishbone and had barely a thousand yards passing for the season. Personally I don't care if we pass at all, I don't care if we run at all, I just want this team to win. But it would be nice if we could do both and look good doing it .
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Post by DOOMS on Nov 2, 2023 15:18:59 GMT -5
And we're doing neither under this cat, because historically he hasn't shown the ability to work particularly well with what he has
I generally couldn't care less about passing td numbers either, except we ain't running the wishbone. If we were running the ball like I know we've been capable of under Barnette, I wouldn't have a complaint. Yes we lost some key players. But we lost key players under Barnette too, and somehow we managed to not come in close to last in the nation in any stat.
The play calls generally seem out of whack. There's no rhyme or reason to what we do when we do it. Numerous players who have shown ability under the past OC look terrible now. I only bring up his past stats because expecting better from Young was foolhardy. He's only gonna give you what his resume said he could. His resume says "wr coach." Ain't nothing wrong with that. There is something wrong with hiring him for something his resume said he shouldn't be doing.
I'm kinda way off topic now but as a first time head coach, in a perfect world the oc hire would be an offensively oriented former head coach who showed the ability to consistently get offenses that produced high numbers, I don't care if it's NAIA, d1, 2, 3, CAA, whatever. Need a guy who's had that level of leadership and who can work with what we can give him. Failing that, I'd have stayed the course with the guy who knew the lay of the land, at least until I could replace him with a former head guy that fit the above.
Now we're in a very, very, very bad situation.
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Post by crowntownaggie on Nov 2, 2023 22:27:57 GMT -5
While I’m defending the man I do want to be clear that I am not happy about what he’s shown so far in with us, but I do see him as an upgrade over who we had. We're dead last in the nation in total offense and passing offense. You really think Barnette would have us anywhere near as bad? That's not an upgrade. Put Barnette at Colgate with the same advantages Young had and they're getting an additional 50 ypg and five ppg. Put Young at Winston right now and they lose 100 ypg. I can't see anything to defend nor can I see any way to say anybody could be worse than the WORST OC in the nation with a straight face. You can't be the worst yet be an upgrade over someone else. I totally agree about Young's ability to upgrade the wr position. And that is where he should be, period. When it comes to overall offense and qb positions, he's out of his depth. I'm sure recruits are clamoring to play for a guy with his history at oc. (sarcasm). Meanwhile, Barnette put up numbers at Guilford and T. Give him two more years at Winston and they'll probably be leading the CIAA in total offense. Give Young two more years at T and Brown will be fired. I can almost guarantee you that not a single kid that we need is aware of nor concerned with what Barnette did at Guilford, I’m also not here to debate hypotheticals about who would have done a better job if the roles were reversed. The facts are that Barnette did not improve a single aspect of this football program during his time here, he was handed a capable QB and a potentially great HB in Fowler and Mayne but couldn’t develop them nor keep them motivated enough to get consistent production from either of those players in his last few years. Our offense regressed during his last few years. He didn’t develop a single one of the recruits we brought in at QB, with all due respect, the man was bad at his job and failed in more areas than a couple. He was so bad that whoever we brought in was going to be an upgrade at OC, and maybe some of (or a lot of) that is on Washington. I’m willing to see year two after they brought in a second class and he’s gotten a full year to work with our freshman QB, but I would understand if they moved on from him based on what we’ve gotten. TLDR; Young has not done a good job but he’s still an upgrade.
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Post by saabman on Nov 2, 2023 23:34:10 GMT -5
We're dead last in the nation in total offense and passing offense. You really think Barnette would have us anywhere near as bad? That's not an upgrade. Put Barnette at Colgate with the same advantages Young had and they're getting an additional 50 ypg and five ppg. Put Young at Winston right now and they lose 100 ypg. I can't see anything to defend nor can I see any way to say anybody could be worse than the WORST OC in the nation with a straight face. You can't be the worst yet be an upgrade over someone else. I totally agree about Young's ability to upgrade the wr position. And that is where he should be, period. When it comes to overall offense and qb positions, he's out of his depth. I'm sure recruits are clamoring to play for a guy with his history at oc. (sarcasm). Meanwhile, Barnette put up numbers at Guilford and T. Give him two more years at Winston and they'll probably be leading the CIAA in total offense. Give Young two more years at T and Brown will be fired. I can almost guarantee you that not a single kid that we need is aware of nor concerned with what Barnette did at Guilford, I’m also not here to debate hypotheticals about who would have done a better job if the roles were reversed. The facts are that Barnette did not improve a single aspect of this football program during his time here, he was handed a capable QB and a potentially great HB in Fowler and Mayne but couldn’t develop them nor keep them motivated enough to get consistent production from either of those players in his last few years. Our offense regressed during his last few years. He didn’t develop a single one of the recruits we brought in at QB, with all due respect, the man was bad at his job and failed in more areas than a couple. He was so bad that whoever we brought in was going to be an upgrade at OC, and maybe some of (or a lot of) that is on Washington. I’m willing to see year two after they brought in a second class and he’s gotten a full year to work with our freshman QB, but I would understand if they moved on from him based on what we’ve gotten. TLDR; Young has not done a good job but he’s still an upgrade. This season was a season of evaluation of the players that Coach Brown Inherited from Washington plain and honestly simple. If you blame anyone blame the incompetency of the search committee . They should have had a head coach in place within days of Washington's departure and Coach Brown should have had his complete staff in place weeks before spring practice. Coach Brown didn't complete his staff until just a few days before spring ball to properly evaluate the talent on hand and only had a few scholarship slots open in a short recruiting cycle. Not only that when you have a Walk on QB competing equally and just as effectively in the soring ,as your scholarship quarterbacks that in itself should have been a Red Flag at that position and the season . You compound that with losing receiver's, RB,DL players to the TP and others with experience to graduation and the only experienced players returning are on the O line that is not playing consistently. What are a lot of you expecting ? Let's just make it to the end of the season and hope this team can improve on the marginal Improvement that it's showing . Let Coach Brown and the athletic administration make the tough decision what to do or not to do with Young , staff and the none productive scholarship football athletes in this rebuilding program process . I'm Done with this comparison Crap .
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Post by aggie2039 on Nov 4, 2023 16:24:00 GMT -5
A&T had 501 yards total offense today
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Post by VA's Finest on Nov 4, 2023 18:45:42 GMT -5
That's completely relativez 2 completely defensively struggling teams.
Let's keep this in perspective. Against other legit teams we have struggled offensively.
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Post by saabman on Nov 4, 2023 19:27:54 GMT -5
That's completely relativez 2 completely defensively struggling teams. Let's keep this in perspective. Against other legit teams we have struggled offensively. And we will continue to struggle until A&T recruits more talented players on the offensive side of the ball . Also the prospective is alot of these players should have been in the rotation earlier.
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Post by aggie2039 on Nov 4, 2023 19:38:03 GMT -5
That's completely relativez 2 completely defensively struggling teams. Let's keep this in perspective. Against other legit teams we have struggled offensively. Towson beat W&M and New Hampshire!!! Both are ranked teams, smh.
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Post by DOOMS on Nov 4, 2023 20:09:17 GMT -5
That's completely relativez 2 completely defensively struggling teams. Let's keep this in perspective. Against other legit teams we have struggled offensively. And we will continue to struggle until A&T recruits more talented players on the offensive side of the ball . Also the prospective is alot of these players should have been in the rotation earlier. We gotta play with who we got. So the coaches need to coach them up. If we can only muster two games where the offense looks like it has a pulse, how to we plan to convince “more talented players” to come? Who is being coached up right now?
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Post by westcoastaggie on Nov 4, 2023 20:14:02 GMT -5
That's completely relativez 2 completely defensively struggling teams. Let's keep this in perspective. Against other legit teams we have struggled offensively. Towson beat W&M and New Hampshire!!! Both are ranked teams, smh. To be fair, they also lost to Morgan State and Norfolk State.
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Post by saabman on Nov 4, 2023 21:16:28 GMT -5
And we will continue to struggle until A&T recruits more talented players on the offensive side of the ball . Also the prospective is alot of these players should have been in the rotation earlier. We gotta play with who we got. So the coaches need to coach them up. If we can only muster two games where the offense looks like it has a pulse, how to we plan to convince “more talented players” to come? Who is being coached up right now? Somebody is being coached up because of the number of new faces that played and targeted on offense today . Talented players will come because they see the opportunity to play as true Freshman JOCo or TP additions. I know for a fact that Coach Pool is pitching this down here in Central Florida and if he signs the individuals he's been after on the offensive side of the ball you will see a big difference in the talent level. But we will see .
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Post by The Professor on Jan 1, 2024 16:08:17 GMT -5
Barnette to Bama State to be OC is the rumor
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Post by aggiechampd on Jan 2, 2024 10:41:04 GMT -5
Barnette to Bama State to be OC is the rumor If true...Bama State are the favorites to win the SWAC...
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