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Post by aggie2039 on Feb 12, 2023 15:35:24 GMT -5
That is old news now. We have not won anything since we left the MEAC. The closest we have come to winning anything since the move is football (excluding T&F). Martin has moved us towards focusing "more" on our top money generating sport which is football. I dont understand your point... we haven't a championship in basketball or football since leaving the MEAC If you call almost winning in a diluted BSC something... Again, we are a basketball school in a basketball and football conference.
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Post by saabman on Feb 12, 2023 21:58:01 GMT -5
That is old news now. We have not won anything since we left the MEAC. The closest we have come to winning anything since the move is football (excluding T&F). Martin has moved us towards focusing "more" on our top money generating sport which is football. I dont understand your point... we haven't a championship in basketball or football since leaving the MEAC If you call almost winning in a diluted BSC something... Again, we are a basketball school in a basketball and football conference. A&T hasn't been a basketball school for some time. Unless your talking about the woman .
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Post by planoaggie on Feb 13, 2023 1:45:45 GMT -5
Aggie2039, In my opinion, we have transitioned slowly to a football school based on fans and administrators attitudes when comparing the 2 sports. You are correct that the CAA supports both basketball and football programs, but when focusing strictly on the men's basketball program in the CAA the non-football universities dominate. Below are my evidence to support my opinion that we are a football school. 1. Football revenue has always been king, which is not surprising, but the gap is increasing due to both BB programs finding it difficult to increase their revenues in spite of winning championships. 2. It looks to me that administrators find enough money to attract higher profile coaches (in name and resume) for football ball compared to basketball. Name 1 so call good basketball school (high or mid major) that would allow their name brand sport to limp around for greater than 5 years with interim coaches disguised as head coaches tarnishing your brand and not make a concerted effort to fix it. I feel there is a different amount of effort and concerns placed on finding a football HC vs a basketball HC, yet you believe we are a basketball school. 3. We know exactly what we are up against in the CAA for men's basketball. This conference has basketball only schools which went out and stole (bought) HC's from other schools to lead their schools. Their attitude is to win now, so they primarily hire current or former HCs or bust. If they do promote within they hire name brand (played in NBA for many years) assistants or long term assistants (typically an alumnus). Since you claim we are a basketball school, let's see what our administration does in hiring a new men's basketball coach (track record, target AC or HC, salaries, etc.). 4. When you compare success of the basketball and football programs sending players to the pros, it is no contest. When was the last year the basketball program had a player make the NBA. 5. When it comes to nationally recruiting players or national awareness of NC A&T by regular people, they associate the school by their excellence in academics or football (Celebration bowl wins and GHOE trumps any basketball MEAC championship from a marketing perspective). How many Black college national championships has A&T won in basketball compared to football? People come all over to watch this game who were not Aggies, but walked away respecting the football program. 6. Nearly winning a football regular season championship in a diluted or bad conference is better than not coming close to winning a regular season basketball championship in the "same" diluted or bad conference. Yes, the football team had 2 bites at the apple compared to the basketball team, but this year's team would not have faired much better than last year's MBB team (9th seed) in the Big South regular season or championship due to the following reasons: * Last year's team had a better leader in PG in Kam Langley * HC Jones vs Interim Coach Shumpert. Is Shumpert a better coach? and * Team injuries. 7. When we played football in the MEAC & CIAA conferences, we won many championships. Scroll through the below links. www.google.com/amp/s/www.ncaa.com/news/football/article/2022-12-17/hbcu-football-championship-history%3fampwww.google.com/amp/s/www.sbnation.com/platform/amp/college-football/2018/12/17/18144335/best-hbcu-football-dynasties-north-carolina-atOther than basketball championships from the MEAC/CIAA conferences (last championship was 2013) which we no longer play in and I feel is a wash to our football conference championships (last championship 2019), what else can you offer to show that basketball is king of the hill at A&T now or looking forward? A&T football trumps basketball in every other way. By the way, the University of Kentucky fans and coaches seem to have a friendly debate as to whether they are a basketball school too.🙂 www.google.com/amp/s/syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/10045116-mark-stoops-questions-john-caliparis-statement-that-kentucky-is-basketball-school.amp.html
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Feb 13, 2023 14:16:39 GMT -5
a&t "was" a basketball school but not anymore unless we're solely talkin' bout the women. we "were" a basketball school back in the 70's, 80's, and 90's. but other than 2013, a&t's men haven't won a conference championship since 1995, that's more than a "quarter century" ago (28 years ago to be exact).
a program that has only won just "1" conference championship over the last 28 years "cannot" currently be considered a basketball school. however, back in the 70's, 80's, and 90's, not only was a&t a basketball school but during that era we were deemed a basketball "powerhouse"...
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Post by planoaggie on Feb 13, 2023 15:22:15 GMT -5
a&t "was" a basketball school but not anymore unless we're solely talkin' bout the women. we "were" a basketball school back in the 70's, 80's, and 90's. but other than 2013, a&t's men haven't won a conference championship since 1995, that's more than a "quarter century" ago (28 years ago to be exact). a program that has only won just "1" conference championship over the last 28 years "cannot" currently be considered a basketball school. however, back in the 70's, 80's, and 90's, not only was a&t a basketball school but during that era we were deemed a basketball "powerhouse"... Women program is never used as a measuring stick in determining whether you are a basketball school or football school because women don't have a football team. I avoided saying women don't play football because we have had a small number play college football. For example: UCONN, Notre Dame, Univ. of South Carolina, Stanford, LSU, Tennessee, Indiana, UNC, Duke, Texas A&M No matter how good the above schools' women's basketball program, these schools are either basketball, football, or both based on the strength of their men's programs. Univ. of South Carolina is a football school no matter how many championships the women win, because the men's basketball program is weak compared to the football program.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Feb 13, 2023 15:30:30 GMT -5
a&t "was" a basketball school but not anymore unless we're solely talkin' bout the women. we "were" a basketball school back in the 70's, 80's, and 90's. but other than 2013, a&t's men haven't won a conference championship since 1995, that's more than a "quarter century" ago (28 years ago to be exact). a program that has only won just "1" conference championship over the last 28 years "cannot" currently be considered a basketball school. however, back in the 70's, 80's, and 90's, not only was a&t a basketball school but during that era we were deemed a basketball "powerhouse"... Women program is never used as a measuring stick in determining whether you are a basketball school or football school because women don't have a football team. I avoided saying women don't play football because we have had a small number play college football. For example: UCONN, Notre Dame, Univ. of South Carolina, Stanford, LSU, Tennessee, Indiana, UNC, Duke, Texas A&M No matter how good the above schools' women's basketball program, these schools are either basketball, football, or both based on the strength of their men's programs. Univ. of South Carolina is a football school no matter how many championships the women win, because the men's basketball program is weak compared to the football program. i wouldn't consider univ. of south carolina a football school nor a basketball school. i mean, even though their football program is a member of the strongest college football conference in the country, the gamecocks have never maintained a "top 10" football program on a consistent basis akin to traditional powers like bama, ohio state, georgia, and most recently clemson. i know their women's basketball team is doing "exceptionally" well in recent years, but women's basketball "alone" doesn't render a college a basketball school because "in my opinion" women's basketball does not merit the same level of media coverage and fan support as the men do. unc and duke? are both considered basketball schools because of their men's basketball programs and "low profile" football programs...
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Post by planoaggie on Feb 13, 2023 15:39:41 GMT -5
Women program is never used as a measuring stick in determining whether you are a basketball school or football school because women don't have a football team. I avoided saying women don't play football because we have had a small number play college football. For example: UCONN, Notre Dame, Univ. of South Carolina, Stanford, LSU, Tennessee, Indiana, UNC, Duke, Texas A&M No matter how good the above schools' women's basketball program, these schools are either basketball, football, or both based on the strength of their men's programs. Univ. of South Carolina is a football school no matter how many championships the women win, because the men's basketball program is weak compared to the football program. i wouldn't consider univ. of south carolina a football school nor a basketball school. i mean, even though their football program is a member of the strongest college football conference in the country, the gamecocks have never maintained a "top 10" football program on a consistent basis akin to traditional powers like bama, ohio state, georgia, and most recently clemson. i know their women's basketball team is doing "exceptionally" well in recent years, but women's basketball "alone" doesn't render a college a basketball school because "in my opinion" women's basketball does not merit the same level of media coverage and fan support as the men do. unc and duke? are both considered basketball schools because of their men's basketball programs and "low profile" football programs... I am good on everything you said except USC not being a football school. Beyond USC vs Clemson football rivalry no other sport comes close, including USC women's basketball or baseball. Football is king in the state of South Carolina.
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Post by saabman on Feb 13, 2023 16:30:44 GMT -5
i wouldn't consider univ. of south carolina a football school nor a basketball school. i mean, even though their football program is a member of the strongest college football conference in the country, the gamecocks have never maintained a "top 10" football program on a consistent basis akin to traditional powers like bama, ohio state, georgia, and most recently clemson. i know their women's basketball team is doing "exceptionally" well in recent years, but women's basketball "alone" doesn't render a college a basketball school because "in my opinion" women's basketball does not merit the same level of media coverage and fan support as the men do. unc and duke? are both considered basketball schools because of their men's basketball programs and "low profile" football programs... I am good on everything you said except USC not being a football school. Beyond USC vs Clemson football rivalry no other sport comes close, including USC women's basketball or baseball. Football is king in the state of South Carolina. USC was known as a Basketball power back in its old ACC days . Since the move to the SEC . USC has become more Football focused in the public eye . Back in the day when the University of South Carolina would come up in conversation you would think of basketball but that is not the case today . It's more Football focused now on the men's side , and Basketball on the women's side . So you both are right and both wrong.
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Post by planoaggie on Feb 13, 2023 16:37:16 GMT -5
I am good on everything you said except USC not being a football school. Beyond USC vs Clemson football rivalry no other sport comes close, including USC women's basketball or baseball. Football is king in the state of South Carolina. USC was know as a Basketball school back in its old ACC days . Since the move to the SEC . USC has become more Football focused in the public eye . Back in the day when the University of South Carolina would come up in conversation you would think of basketball but that is not the case today . Yes Frank Mcguire was the coach back then.
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