saabman
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Post by saabman on Dec 10, 2022 13:15:23 GMT -5
That's what I struggling to figure out. What actual evidence could we show to prove harm? Does the harm have to affect the plaintiff personally? How could Withholding billions of dollars not hurt the plaintiff especially on the infrastructure and academics side .
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Post by Bornthrilla on Dec 10, 2022 13:35:56 GMT -5
But how has that specifically hurt you and me on a personal level? How could we prove harm in that way?
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Post by DOOMS on Dec 10, 2022 20:29:52 GMT -5
You could talk about how you used to get greased in the showers and it wouldn’t have happened if there had been better dorm infrastructure
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Post by saabman on Dec 10, 2022 23:49:39 GMT -5
But how has that specifically hurt you and me on a personal level? How could we prove harm in that way? It's not about you or I. It's about those that are coming now and after . Especially on the academic and facility infrastructure side. Our boat has sailed to a degree but those funds could directly be effective for the future generations.
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Post by oldschool on Dec 10, 2022 23:57:56 GMT -5
You could talk about how you used to get greased in the showers and it wouldn’t have happened if there had been better dorm infrastructure
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Post by AggiePride on Dec 11, 2022 9:25:28 GMT -5
That's what I struggling to figure out. What actual evidence could we show to prove harm? Does the harm have to affect the plaintiff personally? High level: The harm is the lack of funding and that we as a group were not treated equally as our peers at NCSU.
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Post by AggiePride on Dec 11, 2022 9:26:43 GMT -5
Be more specific. What do we need to do when we walk into these outside law firms? What are we actually asking for here? If the lawsuit is as cut and dry as it sounds like, why shouldn't we be able to get something filed in the next few months? BT all you have to do is reach out to the law firms that sued the state of Maryland. Even FAMU is suing the state of Florida on the behalf of 5 students. The Kirkland & Ellis firm, led by attorney Michael D. Jones, represented alumni and supporters of Maryland’s historically Black colleges and universities as they challenged systemic underfunding of the schools by the state government. After a 15-year legal and political saga, the case was settled this year when state lawmakers approved hundreds of millions of dollars in extra funding for the HBCUs in future state budgets. TALLAHASSEE, Fla. & NEW YORK--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Leading plaintiffs’ law firm Grant & Eisenhofer and noted civil rights attorney Joshua Dubin filed a class action complaint today in federal court in Florida, alleging that the state deliberately and systematically maintains a racially segregated higher-education structure that favors traditionally white schools over Historically Black Colleges & Universities, known as HBCUs. The Maryland HBCU law suit started when alums contacted the Lawyer’s Committee for Civil Rights Under the law and then outside counsel of Kirkland and Ellis was hired. I been doing some light research into it- best bets would be to contact the LDF or the lawyer’s committee for Civil Rights and gauge their interest. I might have an inside track with LDF…i was waiting until January to really start digging around. @thrilla is right it would be nice if someone from the school talked off the record to alumni interested in pursuing this action. The other question I have is, why are alumni chapters silent?
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Post by Bornthrilla on Dec 11, 2022 11:06:04 GMT -5
Guys, there are folks on the site who will spend 10 hours in one day looking for documented proof that Satan was the Minister of Music in Heaven.
It's not like we are too busy to pursue a lawsuit that would help our alma mater collect $2.8 billion dollars.
The problem is that no one really knows where to start.
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Post by @ProfBellamy on Dec 12, 2022 13:48:01 GMT -5
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Post by Bornthrilla on Dec 12, 2022 14:27:41 GMT -5
Let's remember... Alumni Chapters are direct extensions of the Office of Alumni Relations since the dissolution of the Alumni Association (incorporated). How does this affect our efforts to sue NC for $2.8 billion?
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Post by marchingband1969 on Dec 12, 2022 17:26:49 GMT -5
You could talk about how you used to get greased in the showers and it wouldn’t have happened if there had been better dorm infrastructure Now that's old-school! Young Aggies have no understanding of greasing!
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Post by marchingband1969 on Dec 12, 2022 17:36:53 GMT -5
Guys, there are folks on the site who will spend 10 hours in one day looking for documented proof that Satan was the Minister of Music in Heaven. It's not like we are too busy to pursue a lawsuit that would help our alma mater collect $2.8 billion dollars. The problem is that no one really knows where to start. Here are issues that could be pursued... - Lack of books in library to support research - Lack of funds to hire experienced professors - Limited counseling resources available for struggling students -
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Post by Bornthrilla on Dec 12, 2022 17:43:55 GMT -5
Here are issues that could be pursued... - Lack of books in library to support research - Lack of funds to hire experienced professors - Limited counseling resources available for struggling students - Did anybody here personally experience any of these issues? I know I didn't.
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Post by DOOMS on Dec 12, 2022 17:46:38 GMT -5
I did. I mean compared to the schools that DID get the funding we were due.
We didn’t get the full resources we were due. Just because we managed to be successful in spite of that doesn’t mean we didn’t suffer harm.
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Post by Bornthrilla on Dec 12, 2022 18:14:07 GMT -5
What A $577 Million Settlement Will Mean For Maryland HBCUs May 2, 20214:53 PM ETNPR's Michel Martin speaks with Danielle Douglas-Gabriel of The Washington Post about Maryland's settlement of a lawsuit related to underfunding of the state's HBCUs. MICHEL MARTIN, HOST:It's been 15 years since a group of alumni from Maryland's historically Black colleges and universities sued the state over inequality in public higher education. Their lawsuit argued that the state had underfunded its four HBCUs and permitted traditionally white institutions to replicate programs pioneered and offered by HBCUs. After a series of legal fits and starts, including a stall in negotiations with the state, last week, Maryland finalized a $577 million settlement to resolve the issue. The money will be paid out over a decade and used to support scholarships, faculty recruitment and expand academic programs and marketing. We wanted to hear more about this historic settlement and what it means for Maryland's HBCUs, so we called Danielle Douglas-Gabriel. She covers the economics of higher education for The Washington Post, and she's with us now. Welcome, Danielle Douglas-Gabriel. Thanks so much for joining us. DANIELLE DOUGLAS-GABRIEL: Thanks for having me. MARTIN: So before we get into the specifics of the settlement, I'm not sure that everybody's familiar with the background of the lawsuit or the history of HBCUs in Maryland. So could you just walk us through, as briefly as you can, the history of this issue? And which universities are we talking about? DOUGLAS-GABRIEL: Sure. So Maryland has - four of its 13 public universities are historically Black institutions, meaning they were founded at a time where segregation was legal. And these schools include Morgan State University, Coppin State University, Bowie State University and the University of Maryland Eastern Shore. Each of these schools are roughly under 8,000 students. Morgan is the largest of the four and the only one that is a research university. And it has been competing with many of the other schools within the Maryland system in order to continue to expand its research capabilities and hasn't had much support of the state. And that's kind of what is the underlying issue at the heart of this lawsuit. But do understand that this lawsuit comes out of kind of generations of alumni and administration at these schools pleading with the state to provide more resources and never really fully being successful at that. MARTIN: Well, you know, one of the compelling things about the lawsuit is that they argue that they pioneered some of the ideas that these other institutions - better funded, more powerful, you know, more influential, more visible - then essentially copied and then used that sort of visibility to draw resources away from these institutions. And I think that's not an argument that many people have heard before. I just wondered if there's an example that you could cite.DOUGLAS-GABRIEL: Sure. So there was a 2005 decision by Maryland's Higher Education Commission to approve a joint MBA program. And this MBA program that the state was doing really well with was at Morgan State, but the Higher Education Commission decided to allow the University of Baltimore and Towson University to create this joint program. Both of those schools have far more resources than Morgan State, so certainly that program would have peeled off many of the students that Morgan State was really successful in bringing to their campus. So eventually, you know, the joint degree was scrapped. But the case and the event became very emblematic of this kind of lasting legacy of segregation in Maryland's higher education system. MARTIN: So what do you think these institutions will do with the money? What do you think it'll mean to them? DOUGLAS-GABRIEL: I think there are a couple of things it'd mean. Look at Morgan, for instance. Morgan has been trying its best to really kind of burnish its brand as the state research university, and these funds would allow it to do so. It certainly would allow it to build newer facilities. Other schools, I think it's also a matter of really supporting their students financially. I mean, HBCUs across the country have a tendency of bringing in low-income students. And so these kinds of funds allow them to support scholarships. It allows them to have better facilities, attract better faculty, help with the training, all the things that the state probably should have been doing all along but now is making a real commitment to do. Read more: www.npr.org/2021/05/02/992922662/what-a-577-million-settlement-will-mean-for-maryland-hbcus
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