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Post by thefriscotxaggie on Aug 19, 2022 18:39:45 GMT -5
First of all it’s to late for a coach to come in put a system in place and hire a competent staff. More than likely we would hire someone that is currently employed. So if you found a competent coach in a week or 2 that person needs to get 2 -3 other assistants to leave their post. I agree with Oldschool there are plenty of good coaches out there but 99% of them are currently employed. As much as some of you guys complain about Deion you want us to hire a Former NBA player because it looks good and generates excitement. OK 😂 Start a short list today. Evaluate that list again when season ends. Add a couple additional candidates from teams that do well in NCAA tourney both D1 and D2….. The above would get you a great coach. What if Shumpert wins 22 games? That’s a very real possibility . Stir in Duncan Powell with the best recruiting class in years and a good returning base.
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Post by lowjacks007 on Aug 20, 2022 5:04:20 GMT -5
Am from another HBCU and love to give another observation and critical thinking on your coach termination/firing. 1. Terminating a coach at the first day of classes. Never heard of this before. Coaches are hired and fired for wins and loses normally. Koch Jones had a winning record. If this was because of a NCAA violation or criminal violation there would be an investigation a suspension, then termination. This has a fishy smell. This will be litigated in civil court unless there some nude pictures the AD has . I might take this case. Lol
2. If the AD just got the evidence to terminate Koch Jones, I got some properties in New York City really cheap. This was done strategically because of the transfer portal. University of South Carolina fired their coach and within a week, their top 7 players went in the portal and will be playing for other schools. A basketball player is there because of the coach not the school. Old school way, the players were there because of the school. It’s not that way now, new generation .
3. Your paid Koch Jones less than 200k. In the MEAC the only school paid less is Del State. In the SWAC that would be dead last. Just dropping some knowledge.
Good luck
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Post by Bornthrilla on Aug 20, 2022 7:34:56 GMT -5
If this was because of a NCAA violation or criminal violation there would be an investigation a suspension, then termination. According to sources, there was a prior investigation and suspension.
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Post by saabman on Aug 20, 2022 8:19:02 GMT -5
Am from another HBCU and love to give another observation and critical thinking on your coach termination/firing. 1. Terminating a coach at the first day of classes. Never heard of this before. Coaches are hired and fired for wins and loses normally. Koch Jones had a winning record. If this was because of a NCAA violation or criminal violation there would be an investigation a suspension, then termination. This has a fishy smell. This will be litigated in civil court unless there some nude pictures the AD has . I might take this case. Lol 2. If the AD just got the evidence to terminate Koch Jones, I got some properties in New York City really cheap. This was done strategically because of the transfer portal. University of South Carolina fired their coach and within a week, their top 7 players went in the portal and will be playing for other schools. A basketball player is there because of the coach not the school. Old school way, the players were there because of the school. It’s not that way now, new generation . 3. Your paid Koch Jones less than 200k. In the MEAC the only school paid less is Del State. In the SWAC that would be dead last. Just dropping some knowledge. Good luck Interesting assessment 🤔 Has anyone even wondered outside of myself that TV's removal could be less about the AD but more player driven and there dissatisfaction with his coaching 🤔
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2022 9:16:30 GMT -5
Am from another HBCU and love to give another observation and critical thinking on your coach termination/firing. 1. Terminating a coach at the first day of classes. Never heard of this before. Coaches are hired and fired for wins and loses normally. Koch Jones had a winning record. If this was because of a NCAA violation or criminal violation there would be an investigation a suspension, then termination. This has a fishy smell. This will be litigated in civil court unless there some nude pictures the AD has . I might take this case. Lol 2. If the AD just got the evidence to terminate Koch Jones, I got some properties in New York City really cheap. This was done strategically because of the transfer portal. University of South Carolina fired their coach and within a week, their top 7 players went in the portal and will be playing for other schools. A basketball player is there because of the coach not the school. Old school way, the players were there because of the school. It’s not that way now, new generation . 3. Your paid Koch Jones less than 200k. In the MEAC the only school paid less is Del State. In the SWAC that would be dead last. Just dropping some knowledge. Good luck Interesting assessment 🤔 Has anyone even wondered outside of myself that TV's removal could be less about the AD but more player driven and there dissatisfaction with his coaching 🤔 Who knows. If any of this is true, we have a player-focused AD and Administration, I guess.
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Post by saabman on Aug 20, 2022 10:15:08 GMT -5
Interesting assessment 🤔 Has anyone even wondered outside of myself that TV's removal could be less about the AD but more player driven and there dissatisfaction with his coaching 🤔 Who knows. If any of this is true, we have a player-focused AD and Administration, I guess. It has happened before (not saying it is the case here) It just strikes me as odd that none of the players have came forward and questioning TVs dismissal . Has anyone close to the program talk to any of the players ?
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Post by aggielaw on Aug 20, 2022 11:25:46 GMT -5
Tweet See new Tweets Conversation Will Jones @atkoachjones Head up, chest out, Proud of what we accomplished at A&T. #Aggienation thank you. Grandma always said Character will carry you further then money ever will!! I stand on that. #Koach
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Post by thefriscotxaggie on Aug 20, 2022 11:58:24 GMT -5
If this was because of a NCAA violation or criminal violation there would be an investigation a suspension, then termination. According to sources, there was a prior investigation and suspension. According to sources ….If you are specifically told not to do something and you repeat the same action…..You Get what you get ….. After the recruiting class he just had he probably felt he could push the envelope. But if you pushing the envelope and put your school, employer at risk they gone part ways with you
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Post by pommie on Aug 20, 2022 12:42:03 GMT -5
Who knows. If any of this is true, we have a player-focused AD and Administration, I guess. It has happened before (not saying it is the case here) It just strikes me as odd that none of the players have came forward and questioning TVs dismissal . Has anyone close to the program talk to any of the players ? Players had a meeting yesterday and were told the circumstances. Don’t think we will have a player exodus, but next few weeks will tell.
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Post by saabman on Aug 20, 2022 12:55:23 GMT -5
According to sources, there was a prior investigation and suspension. According to sources ….If you are specifically told not to do something and you repeat the same action…..You Get what you get ….. After the recruiting class he just had he probably felt he could push the envelope. But if you pushing the envelope and put your school, employer at risk they gone part ways with you If that was truly the case . My thinking is this . There is something deeper going on here that we are not being told or privileged to as fans . The timing just isn't right ..i.e all in coming recruits and returning players are in class and the HC gets the ax , without even a Whisper of prior behavioral transgressions 😆 Really. I think Martin pulled the trigger on this leaving the AD to take the heat ( a 45 move ) 😆
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Post by saabman on Aug 20, 2022 13:09:07 GMT -5
It has happened before (not saying it is the case here) It just strikes me as odd that none of the players have came forward and questioning TVs dismissal . Has anyone close to the program talk to any of the players ? Players had a meeting yesterday and were told the circumstances. Don’t think we will have a player exodus, but next few weeks will tell. Where will they go ? The only option is the portal because they are already in class . Sit out and Lose a year of eligibility . They have little to no options . Who ever was behind this dismissal used shrewd and impeccable timing , because this is probably one of the best recruiting classes A&T has had in some time . But it's shameful that they put these young men in this situation . Just my take on this , never liked TV but I have total disdain for underhanded BS .
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Post by thefriscotxaggie on Aug 20, 2022 13:30:47 GMT -5
As I said 🥷 move timing wise by Hilton.
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Post by marchingband1969 on Aug 20, 2022 13:49:31 GMT -5
You guys got more "conspiracy theories'" about this firing than QAon! Chancellor Martin fired him? He couldn't have been fired with cause? They plan the firing timing to screw the players? There's no player buzz so the players must have initiate the firing. They have no qualified replacements. They don't know where to find suitable replacement coaches. They are dragging their feet looking for a replacement.
Hey is it possible that he screwed up big-time and they just pulled the plug on him? No conspiracy theory, just a firing after a bone-head mistake!
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Post by aggierattler on Aug 20, 2022 14:14:39 GMT -5
We need to have a damn good season after all of this drama, I know that. Maybe all of this galvanized the players.
So…maybe we just might have one!
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Aug 20, 2022 14:14:53 GMT -5
aggieone and 4xl are 100% correct. hiring a new head coach at this stage of the game is not akin to "flipping a light switch". often our folks "over simplify" stuff the same way folks have done with new players. folk have this impression that you can immediately plug in "new recruits" and "automatically" they will mesh with the returning players, but it doesn't work like that. there is an "adjustment period" where the new players must learn the game/style of the returning players and vice versa. same for "coaches".
new coaches don't typically step into a brand new environment and "immediately" hit the grown running. they must first hire a new staff and also learn the existing players and vice versa. plus, installing a new system and hiring new assistants takes time. also, a new head coach needs to be "thoroughly" vetted, a very detailed "background check" is warranted.
i know it seems like all of this stuff (plus more) can be thrown together akin to "flipping a light switch", but given that this is the 2nd most highly profiled revenue generating sports team that we have, hiring a new head coach should not be done "hastefully"...
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