A&T-roy
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Post by A&T-roy on Aug 15, 2022 9:02:18 GMT -5
Welp, we'll get to se him and his athletes this Saturday at the FanFest...at least the ones that come out!
Men's and Women's basketball teams too!
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Post by saabman on Aug 15, 2022 9:40:50 GMT -5
Come on Saab the use of social media is to attract and communicate with potential student athletes not the ones that are already on the team So he gone leave up another schools profile to run folks off ? 🤔 Facebook is as far as I go on unsocial Media , saying that the man was at the U20 worlds 🌎 let that sink in . Also we really don't know what he is doing behind the scenes recruiting wise . All I'm saying is let Johnson do his thing . We will know soon enough by the next signing cycle if he has hit the ground running or not . He could be waiting to see how may confirmed scholarship slots are open .
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Post by Maxell on Aug 15, 2022 10:01:49 GMT -5
..we really don't know what he is doing He's the one that gave what I would consider a very good interview to HBCU Gameday with a lot of promises. He's not followed it up with anything. He started it, we didn't.
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Post by saabman on Aug 15, 2022 11:24:31 GMT -5
..we really don't know what he is doing He's the one that gave what I would consider a very good interview to HBCU Gameday with a lot of promises. He's not followed it up with anything. He started it, we didn't. You don't know that . All of the athletes that transferred or dicommitted are athletes that were Ross recruits and the ones that couldn't follow him to Tennessee for what ever reason chose programs that better fit their skill set not counting the ones that have already graduated . Yes he made promises and it will be up to him to keep and make them come to light . You trying to make a Mountain out of a Molehill 😆🤣
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Post by Maxell on Aug 15, 2022 12:21:50 GMT -5
He's the one that gave what I would consider a very good interview to HBCU Gameday with a lot of promises. He's not followed it up with anything. He started it, we didn't. You don't know that . All of the athletes that transferred or dicommitted are athletes that were Ross recruits and the ones that couldn't follow him to Tennessee for what ever reason chose programs that better fit their skill set not counting the ones that have already graduated . Yes he made promises and it will be up to him to keep and make them come to light . You trying to make a Mountain out of a Molehill 😆🤣 No. I'm not talking about recruits, I'm talking about information sharing. Up to him? He shouldn't have done a public interview if he was going to go silent and leave fans of the university to wonder. A simple one paragraph update would suffice. You don't leave the status of a championship program in the dark. If he were building a program with no history, that would be different, but he's not. We're not in a time when we simply "let people do their job" like it was 30 years ago. The track and field program was the biggest worldwide marketing vehicle of the university in 2021-2022. Precious time has passed, and the rest of the track world is moving past us quickly. The same kind of dynamic lingered over the football program the first half of this year as Jackson State filled the void. It's going to take both wins and a lot of marketing to dig ourselves out of that branding hole. Let's not as fans be content with that same thing in track and field because we may not recover by just letting things "work themselves out". That's a mountain, not a mole hill. I wish him the best.
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Post by aggieblackie2 on Aug 15, 2022 14:14:24 GMT -5
Assumptions. No one knows what he has done or going to do. Some just want to spew unfounded rhetoric for the hell of it.
Damn, the man has come into a program that was dynamite but has depreciated with the coach gone and athletes following him to Tennessee.
Give him a chance. He has great credentials. Personally, I think he will do a great job in restoring our famous program.
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Post by A&T-roy on Aug 15, 2022 15:02:55 GMT -5
Assumptions. No one knows what he has done or going to do. Some just want to spew unfounded rhetoric for the hell of it. Damn, the man has come into a program that was dynamite but has depreciated with the coach gone and athletes following him to Tennessee. Give him a chance. He has great credentials. Personally, I think he will do a great job in restoring our famous program. Here, here, aggieblackie2! It's similar to all the bluster about what Coach Washington was gonna do about coaches that left and who Earl was gonna get to replace Ross. That said, the wait for football can be painful (is for me) and cause people to do outlandish things sometimes!
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Post by aggieblackie2 on Aug 15, 2022 21:43:14 GMT -5
True
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Post by numberonebrave on Aug 16, 2022 15:47:31 GMT -5
No XC transfers from NC State
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Aug 16, 2022 16:42:44 GMT -5
we caught "lightening in a bottle" when we hired coach ross. ain't easy to do that again. coach ross did things at a&t that no other d1 track coach "in history" has ever done before and that's leading a d1 hbcu to "top 5" status in men's and women's track for multiple years.
to place similar expectations on our new coach is very "unfair" to him. very difficult to catch "lightening in a bottle" twice and if hilton was able to do so with johnson, then he deserves a "hefty" raise. clearly with so many departures from our program, this season i wouldn't even expect a conference championship, much less a national ranking. we probably couldn't even finish top 2 or 3 in the meac with the team we currently have.
so to me, it ain't a matter of holding coach johnson to coach ross standards, that's very "unfair" to coach johnson. that's why my expectations of him is far "lower" than it would be for coach ross, especially since he does not have a history of signing "elite" track athletes at nc state. given that he must totally "rebuild" our program, my expectations of him is the same as it was when coach ross "first arrived".
my expectations for him would be to build and maintain a highly competitive program amongst "fcs schools", not necessarily nationally ranked teams though that would be "icing on the cake". i'd expect him to build a program that "challenges or wins" conference championships on the regular. but i would not expect him to field "nationally ranked" teams like coach ross did, however it would be a "big plus" if he did...
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Post by Maxell on Aug 16, 2022 21:13:29 GMT -5
but i would not expect him to field "nationally ranked" teams With transfer portal (which Ross didn't have in his first few years), I would expect Johnson to be nationally competitive again in 2-3 years tops.
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Post by numberonebrave on Aug 17, 2022 8:51:55 GMT -5
I have always thought Non WBB MBB and football athletes were allowed to freely transfer w/o having to sit out. When Ross arrived at A&T , two of our best left for Hampton (Simmons 800/1:49 something) ;Jenea McCammon ( Morgan State 400mh/ 58.something) Doctrine Jacobs (59/400mh) went to a SC PWC D1 he also brought a runner with him in 400mh ( 1:01) . All ran immediately. Desmond Lawrence came from ECU he sat out FB but ran immediately. As I see it the portal has made it popular but the option was always available for minor sport athletes--- look at baseball as well prior to the portal
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Aug 17, 2022 13:11:51 GMT -5
but i would not expect him to field "nationally ranked" teams With transfer portal (which Ross didn't have in his first few years), I would expect Johnson to be nationally competitive again in 2-3 years tops. why would you place such a high expectation on coach johnson? or, perhaps you saying "nationally competitive" ain't quite the same as saying "nationally ranked". i'm not sure what "nationally competitive" means. but if it means anything approaching what coach ross' accomplished at a&t, i'd disagree with that. i mean, think about it? coach ross was the only d1 hbcu track coach "in history" to build a "top 5" men's and women's track program at an hbcu. those are very big shoes to fill and only "1" man in history has done that. so to me, its not fair to expect coach johnson to become only the 2nd d1 hbcu track coach "in history" to build a "top 5" men's and women's track program at an hbcu. heck, i used to talk smack to wssu alums when bill hayes and connell maynor first left wssu, saying wssu would "fall back to the pack" as a result. i expect the same thing to happen to our track program since coach ross is no longer here. mind you, i was the first and only poster on bdv who "predicted" long before we were top 5 ranked that coach ross would challenge for a d1 "national championship". point being? i call things exactly the way that i see it. so i'm not trying to bash coach johnson, i'm actually supporting him by not placing unreasonable expectations on him. if i thought the stars would align for him to build a top 5 program, i'd say so just like i did when i predicted coach ross would challenge for a d1 "national championship"...
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Post by Maxell on Aug 17, 2022 13:52:54 GMT -5
I have always thought Non WBB MBB and football athletes were allowed to freely transfer w/o having to sit out. When Ross arrived at A&T , two of our best left for Hampton (Simmons 800/1:49 something) ;Jenea McCammon ( Morgan State 400mh/ 58.something) Doctrine Jacobs (59/400mh) went to a SC PWC D1 he also brought a runner with him in 400mh ( 1:01) . All ran immediately. Desmond Lawrence came from ECU he sat out FB but ran immediately. As I see it the portal has made it popular but the option was always available for minor sport athletes--- look at baseball as well prior to the portal They did, but the portal makes it much easier. The portal is a pull system meaning there is a convenient list for coaches to choose from. That did not exist before.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Aug 17, 2022 14:31:49 GMT -5
maxell, the portal still comes down to the ability to "recruit" and as i've previously stated, i did not see anything in coach johnson's past as assistant nc state coach that says he's a great recruiter. the portal is a great resource, but you still have to be able to "recruit" to sign any of them...
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