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Post by aggieclt on May 17, 2022 8:14:53 GMT -5
[/quote]Like I stated before, Davis clearly outlined the tangible items that he felt were underserved during our title run. None of the things you listed are what he talked about.
If a player who was on the front lines during that period tells you personally that we should have gotten more out of our 4 HBCU National Titles, I'm not sure why folks are so quick to discount that. [/quote]
This is my thought also...especially given the source. It's fine to disagree but not fine to discount.
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Post by bseballaggie on May 17, 2022 13:11:45 GMT -5
Nah…. you guys don’t get it! John Davis is a CEO, a businessman seeing what can or should have been done. Deon is a CEO first that’s why business is the forefront of his approach to things. He is also the marketing department at JSU, bottom line we need both someone with a CEO mentality and a marketing depart to attract sponsors and to convince our fans alumni and community to buy something, participate! So if the thought is that we didn't do enough with the Celebration Bowl exposure then what can be said about Alcorn They get a grade F! The truth of the matter is a statement made by Deon earlier this year! It’s time for HBCU’s to start doing business differently. It’s a strange phenomenon for A&T to not promote or market your winning Athletics, yet ask for large donations to support them and the facilities. We spend millions of dollars on the stadium Fascade and a Olympic level track, score board, for visitors to walk in and see a old school turkey bowl dirt playing field,(not practice field) on a level less than local High schools. If we had made the right combination of upgrades it would be easier to justify the spending. How does the right visionary see a upgraded stadium with a dirt playing field surrounded by a state of the art track? Mississippi is the poorest State in the Union, and as John stated JSU has not won a Celebration Bowl yet have better facilities more marketing, bette4 community engagement. More importantly Alumni interaction. It’s time out for being wrong and strong! While questioning the Alumni’s hesitancy to engage financially on a large scale. We see the written vision, but the results of winning and spending or mediocre at best when compared to lesser programs. One man’s failed vision of our basketball Coaching program and his pedigree has cost us millions. Deon and JSU may not have CB Championships but they are winning in sports marketing and facilities, we are only speaking of sports!
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Post by A&T-roy on May 17, 2022 15:41:58 GMT -5
Concerning "tangible benefits" I would say it's very subjective. Some might say: - The success we experienced across so many different sports since we won the CB in 2015 is VERY tangible and is shown by the number of All Sports Awards we were able to win (3 I believe)
- The growth in the number of total students
- The amount of money we raised and has us at an endowment multiple times what it was before 2015
- The level of players we're getting...True freshmen 3-stars, transfer 4-stars, more starred players than probably ever
Like I stated before, Davis clearly outlined the tangible items that he felt were underserved during our title run. None of the things you listed are what he talked about. If a player who was on the front lines during that period tells you personally that we should have gotten more out of our 4 HBCU National Titles, I'm not sure why folks are so quick to discount that. Agreed on my items not being the items he listed. My initial discount was that he pointed to JSU as opposed to Deion. As an example, does he know how the new practice field was obtained and how it happened? What I'm saying is kind of like what happened with the students protesting about housing. There were some things they didn't know about our housing process and what was going on. As an example, the money John might have thought should have been spent on football "stuff" could have been used for other areas to bolster them in order to win the All Sports award. I also understand that some schools sometimes put funds given or made into the school's General Fund. Don't know if we do or not. Remember this - Virtually ALL of us on this board (if not ALL) are on the outside TRYING to look into our athletics dept and though John was a player on our team I'm pretty much 100% sure he was on the outside of how we managed our finances (decisions made about how to use them).
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Post by A&T-roy on May 17, 2022 15:42:51 GMT -5
Like I stated before, Davis clearly outlined the tangible items that he felt were underserved during our title run. None of the things you listed are what he talked about. If a player who was on the front lines during that period tells you personally that we should have gotten more out of our 4 HBCU National Titles, I'm not sure why folks are so quick to discount that. [/quote] This is my thought also...especially given the source. It's fine to disagree but not fine to discount. [/quote]
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Post by Aggie Monster on May 17, 2022 15:47:27 GMT -5
Concerning "tangible benefits" I would say it's very subjective. Some might say: - The success we experienced across so many different sports since we won the CB in 2015 is VERY tangible and is shown by the number of All Sports Awards we were able to win (3 I believe)
- The growth in the number of total students
- The amount of money we raised and has us at an endowment multiple times what it was before 2015
- The level of players we're getting...True freshmen 3-stars, transfer 4-stars, more starred players than probably ever
If a player who was on the front lines during that period tells you personally that we should have gotten more out of our 4 HBCU National Titles, I'm not sure why folks are so quick to discount that. You tell us how does him being on the team at the time make his opinion more relevant or somehow correct? He didn't have any more inside info on finances than anyone else. Especially after he left. He was just a player during that time and that was it. If we put what and when you did it as your opinion being gospel then Tarik Cohen should be the AD.
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Post by aggieclt on Jun 11, 2022 8:48:36 GMT -5
According to the Charlotte Sports Foundation, game tickets for Duke's Mayo Classic go on sale to the general public on Wednesday, June 22 at 10am at Ticketmaster.com. It will be digital/mobile only ticketing (with the new moving barcode) with no paper tickets, QR codes or screenshots (just like it is in Atlanta's MB Stadium). I am not sure if our ticket office will receive an allotment to sell but I will ask. www.ticketmaster.com/event/2D005CC6FCE364E9
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Post by The Professor on Jun 11, 2022 10:37:28 GMT -5
So if the thought is that we didn't do enough with the Celebration Bowl exposure then what can be said about Alcorn They get a grade F! The truth of the matter is a statement made by Deon earlier this year! It’s time for HBCU’s to start doing business differently. It’s a strange phenomenon for A&T to not promote or market your winning Athletics, yet ask for large donations to support them and the facilities. We spend millions of dollars on the stadium Fascade and a Olympic level track, score board, for visitors to walk in and see a old school turkey bowl dirt playing field,(not practice field) on a level less than local High schools. If we had made the right combination of upgrades it would be easier to justify the spending. How does the right visionary see a upgraded stadium with a dirt playing field surrounded by a state of the art track? Mississippi is the poorest State in the Union, and as John stated JSU has not won a Celebration Bowl yet have better facilities more marketing, bette4 community engagement. More importantly Alumni interaction. It’s time out for being wrong and strong! While questioning the Alumni’s hesitancy to engage financially on a large scale. We see the written vision, but the results of winning and spending or mediocre at best when compared to lesser programs. One man’s failed vision of our basketball Coaching program and his pedigree has cost us millions. Deon and JSU may not have CB Championships but they are winning in sports marketing and facilities, we are only speaking of sports! Your speech is cool but you're forgetting the main thing about JSU. Coach Deion Sanders is using his relationships to pay for those upgrades. You act as Jackson State is investing in them. They aren't. Their athletic budget is 8 million. If we had someone who had those same type of connections , u would see the same here as well.
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Post by bseballaggie on Jun 11, 2022 11:04:07 GMT -5
They get a grade F! The truth of the matter is a statement made by Deon earlier this year! It’s time for HBCU’s to start doing business differently. It’s a strange phenomenon for A&T to not promote or market your winning Athletics, yet ask for large donations to support them and the facilities. We spend millions of dollars on the stadium Fascade and a Olympic level track, score board, for visitors to walk in and see a old school turkey bowl dirt playing field,(not practice field) on a level less than local High schools. If we had made the right combination of upgrades it would be easier to justify the spending. How does the right visionary see a upgraded stadium with a dirt playing field surrounded by a state of the art track? Mississippi is the poorest State in the Union, and as John stated JSU has not won a Celebration Bowl yet have better facilities more marketing, bette4 community engagement. More importantly Alumni interaction. It’s time out for being wrong and strong! While questioning the Alumni’s hesitancy to engage financially on a large scale. We see the written vision, but the results of winning and spending or mediocre at best when compared to lesser programs. One man’s failed vision of our basketball Coaching program and his pedigree has cost us millions. Deon and JSU may not have CB Championships but they are winning in sports marketing and facilities, we are only speaking of sports! Your speech is cool but you're forgetting the main thing about JSU. Coach Deion Sanders is using his relationships to pay for those upgrades. You act as Jackson State is investing in them. They aren't. Their athletic budget is 8 million. If we had someone who had those same type of connections , u would see the same here as well. Im acting as if someone is doing something, it just happens to be Deion, You talk as if our people don't have connections/relationships, all business success is based on some connections/relationships. Earl Graves(QUE) (Black Enterprise Magazines) foundational success was based on Reginald Lewis(KAPPA) getting money from Gov. programs for him through a mutual connection. We are talking about educated people, some who have played professional sports or (hold)held influential positions. NBSS paid for Bill Boards in the city, STOP! Our people are doing nothing or the wrong things for the athletic department. My brother we are growing plants on our farm, a seed had to be planted, you to want to or not to miss all that success.
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Post by 919aggie on Jun 11, 2022 11:07:35 GMT -5
They get a grade F! The truth of the matter is a statement made by Deon earlier this year! It’s time for HBCU’s to start doing business differently. It’s a strange phenomenon for A&T to not promote or market your winning Athletics, yet ask for large donations to support them and the facilities. We spend millions of dollars on the stadium Fascade and a Olympic level track, score board, for visitors to walk in and see a old school turkey bowl dirt playing field,(not practice field) on a level less than local High schools. If we had made the right combination of upgrades it would be easier to justify the spending. How does the right visionary see a upgraded stadium with a dirt playing field surrounded by a state of the art track? Mississippi is the poorest State in the Union, and as John stated JSU has not won a Celebration Bowl yet have better facilities more marketing, bette4 community engagement. More importantly Alumni interaction. It’s time out for being wrong and strong! While questioning the Alumni’s hesitancy to engage financially on a large scale. We see the written vision, but the results of winning and spending or mediocre at best when compared to lesser programs. One man’s failed vision of our basketball Coaching program and his pedigree has cost us millions. Deon and JSU may not have CB Championships but they are winning in sports marketing and facilities, we are only speaking of sports! Your speech is cool but you're forgetting the main thing about JSU. Coach Deion Sanders is using his relationships to pay for those upgrades. You act as Jackson State is investing in them. They aren't. Their athletic budget is 8 million. If we had someone who had those same type of connections , u would see the same here as well. After seeing that Ray Lewis *Allegedly* was a candidate for the Morgan state HC job, this conversation brings up a good point. Would you rather have a celebrity coach that could bring you those upgrades/visibility faster(Sanders)? Or a proven winner(Broadway)? (Just a thought exercise)
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Post by aggie2039 on Jun 11, 2022 11:08:23 GMT -5
Your speech is cool but you're forgetting the main thing about JSU. Coach Deion Sanders is using his relationships to pay for those upgrades. You act as Jackson State is investing in them. They aren't. Their athletic budget is 8 million. If we had someone who had those same type of connections , u would see the same here as well. Im acting as if someone is doing something, it just happens to be Deion, You talk as if our people don't have connections/relationships, all business success is based on some connections/relationships. Earl Graves(QUE) (Black Enterprise Magazines) foundational success was based on Reginald Lewis(KAPPA) getting money from Gov. programs for him. We are talking about educated people, some who have played professional sports or (hold)held influential positions. NBSS paid for Bill Boards in the city, STOP! Our people are doing nothing or the wrong things for the athletic department. My brother we are growing plants on our farm, a seed had to be planted, you to want to or not to miss all that success. A&T’s focus is on being R1…if we are going to pursue donations it’s going to be for that not a turf field or paint on the bleachers .
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Post by aggie2039 on Jun 11, 2022 11:08:56 GMT -5
Your speech is cool but you're forgetting the main thing about JSU. Coach Deion Sanders is using his relationships to pay for those upgrades. You act as Jackson State is investing in them. They aren't. Their athletic budget is 8 million. If we had someone who had those same type of connections , u would see the same here as well. After seeing that Ray Lewis *Allegedly* was a candidate for the Morgan state HC job, this conversation brings up a good point. Would you rather have a celebrity coach that could bring you those upgrades/visibility faster(Sanders)? Or a proven winner(Broadway)? (Just a thought exercise) Broadway!
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Post by The Professor on Jun 11, 2022 11:13:19 GMT -5
Your speech is cool but you're forgetting the main thing about JSU. Coach Deion Sanders is using his relationships to pay for those upgrades. You act as Jackson State is investing in them. They aren't. Their athletic budget is 8 million. If we had someone who had those same type of connections , u would see the same here as well. Im acting as if someone is doing something, it just happens to be Deion, You talk as if our people don't have connections/relationships, all business success is based on some connections/relationships. Earl Graves(QUE) (Black Enterprise Magazines) foundational success was based on Reginald Lewis(KAPPA) getting money from Gov. programs for him through a mutual connection. We are talking about educated people, some who have played professional sports or (hold)held influential positions. NBSS paid for Bill Boards in the city, STOP! Our people are doing nothing or the wrong things for the athletic department. My brother we are growing plants on our farm, a seed had to be planted, you to want to or not to miss all that success. If A&T has all these connections for people to get things done , why aren't they? People have been complaining about the grass for atleast 5 years. Where's the connections who's gonna come and donate money and services for free? Same with the stadium paint and other things. Where are these people with the connections and why haven't they approached the administration and say hey we can do this for u free of charge
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Post by The Professor on Jun 11, 2022 11:16:18 GMT -5
Your speech is cool but you're forgetting the main thing about JSU. Coach Deion Sanders is using his relationships to pay for those upgrades. You act as Jackson State is investing in them. They aren't. Their athletic budget is 8 million. If we had someone who had those same type of connections , u would see the same here as well. After seeing that Ray Lewis *Allegedly* was a candidate for the Morgan state HC job, this conversation brings up a good point. Would you rather have a celebrity coach that could bring you those upgrades/visibility faster(Sanders)? Or a proven winner(Broadway)? (Just a thought exercise) In this time , I would say Sanders. It's so many HBCUs who haven't invested in facilities. They need that voice. I do however believe Morgan made the right choice because they have already upgraded theirs
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Post by aggie2039 on Jun 11, 2022 11:20:56 GMT -5
After seeing that Ray Lewis *Allegedly* was a candidate for the Morgan state HC job, this conversation brings up a good point. Would you rather have a celebrity coach that could bring you those upgrades/visibility faster(Sanders)? Or a proven winner(Broadway)? (Just a thought exercise) In this time , I would say Sanders. It's so many HBCUs who haven't invested in facilities. They need that voice. I do however believe Morgan made the right choice because they have already upgraded theirs FAMU upgraded their facilities without a celebrity coach🤷🏾♂️
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Post by bseballaggie on Jun 11, 2022 11:46:30 GMT -5
I think BDV should take the money that's being raised through its efforts and do something positive for the or a program instead of giving it to the people who are doing nothing. Then promote the hell out what was achieved!
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