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Post by Bornthrilla on Sept 8, 2021 11:59:14 GMT -5
I’m curious; how many targets do y’all expect our tight ends to average each game?
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Post by saabman on Sept 8, 2021 12:25:48 GMT -5
I’m curious; how many targets do y’all expect our tight ends to average each game? It's not the number of balls thrown his way it's the effective use of the TE and his routes . I hate to answer a question with a question but how many failed deep throws are made each game that could have been targets for the TE ? I saw at least 5 in this one game , and at least 4 more at mid range . The point is it's not the number thrown his way it's using all of the weapons at your disposal and what is given to you by the defense. That what sets the great QB's like Brady and others from the rest the will take the first down pass to the TE or any receiver to set up the Deep ball . Again it's not about the numbers but about the effective use .
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Post by A&T-roy on Sept 8, 2021 12:41:57 GMT -5
I’m curious; how many targets do y’all expect our tight ends to average each game? It's not the number of balls thrown his way it's the effective use of the TE and his routes . I hate to answer a question with a question but how many failed deep throws are made each game that could have been targets for the TE ? I saw at least 5 in this one game , and at least 4 more at mid range . The point is it's not the number thrown his way it's using all of the weapons at your disposal and what is given to you by the defense. That what sets the great QB's like Brady and others from the rest the will take the first down pass to the TE or any receiver to set up the Deep ball . Again it's not about the numbers but about the effective use . Understand your point saabman, but Imma answer with 3. When we throw the ball to 7-9 different people (including RBs) it will be VERY DIFFICULT to stop our offense. The good thing is we have them, in my opinion. Let's go!
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Post by neighborhoodsuperstar on Sept 8, 2021 13:50:30 GMT -5
3-5 times per game...
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Post by Bornthrilla on Sept 8, 2021 13:55:19 GMT -5
When we throw the ball to 7-9 different people (including RBs) it will be VERY DIFFICULT to stop our offense. That is virtually impossible. We only threw to 6 different people (including 1 pass to Hunt and 2 passes to Martin) in the 2019 Celebration Bowl and we scored 64 points.
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Post by saabman on Sept 8, 2021 14:32:08 GMT -5
When we throw the ball to 7-9 different people (including RBs) it will be VERY DIFFICULT to stop our offense. That is virtually impossible. We only threw to 6 different people (including 1 pass to Hunt and 2 passes to Martin) in the 2019 Celebration Bowl and we scored 64 points. But the run game was clicking in that CB game . Our problems arise now is when the Run game is not Clicking . We need to be able to be versatile enough to be able to use the pass to open/setup the Run an the run to open/setup the pass . That is something we all can agree on . Now we just need to find away to implement it into our system and make it work .
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Post by ohsixrain on Sept 8, 2021 15:35:36 GMT -5
I keep hearing how loaded we are at the WRs and TEs but, I need to see evidence of that. So, that means let if rip, throw the ball down the field so we can see the talent.
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Post by SixtiesAggie on Sept 8, 2021 16:10:59 GMT -5
Trey Scott was not a prototype of todays TEs, but was a nice addition to that position for A&T. He could catch the ball, especially on critical downs. However, Leroy Hill was the ideal type for a TE. He was at his size, what I saw playing this weekend for the power 5 schools. He was 6'3 playing TE for A&T, but to me was under utilized. He had a great catch and run in DC against Howard, but fumbled at the goal line attempting to dive for a TD. He was rarely thrown a pass after that fumble. The TE in power 5s and in the NFL get a lot of passes. They play a major role in the passing game in the NFL and the power 5s offense. They are big and fast. Hill was big and could run.
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Post by DOOMS on Sept 9, 2021 6:06:29 GMT -5
In the words of Bill Hayes, "you dance with the date that brung ya."
If we ain't been using the tight end and been winning anyways then we weren't going to start doing it after a two year layoff. We probably won't see it this weekend either. We probably will start seeing it in tight conference games though, if you catch my drift.
As much as it stung watching us ignore numerous competitive offensive advantages, we still had a chance to win running a limited scheme. I suspect we'll keep it close to the vest until we're in the thick of the conference race. Not beating Furman cost us a ranking but if we can get through the conference unscathed (and that's a big if) then it won't matter. More importantly it gives conference opponents less to see on film.
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Post by VA's Finest on Sept 9, 2021 6:36:12 GMT -5
Well we recruited this absolute athletic studs and TE and a remember vividly a play where FR, TE, #83, Nik Dobson, ran Scott Free on a corner route in end zone and unfortunately Fowler never even look his way. He wasn't under much pressure, just picked wrong receiver to attempt pass.
I was starting to get the feeling, instead of trusting his reads through progression, he may have determined pre snap where he was going in most situations.
Just hope after dissecting the film and review on the QB room, the game slows down for him in week 2 and going forward and we see marked improvement in the decision making.
We have plenty of guys TE included, that can get open, just need to trust what you see and deliver the ball where it needs to go on time.
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Post by thefriscotxaggie on Sept 9, 2021 7:47:05 GMT -5
The most pivotal point in this thread …..If the linebackers are feasting on your running game throwing a few quick completions to a TE will always keep the linebacker honest ……Furman was shooting lb’s through gaps the entire game passes to the TE and running back screens change what a def can do with their linebackers
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Post by aggie2039 on Sept 9, 2021 8:18:50 GMT -5
The most pivotal point in this thread …..If the linebackers are feasting on your running game throwing a few quick completions to a TE will always keep the linebacker honest ……Furman was shooting lb’s through gaps the entire game passes to the TE and running back screens change what a def can do with their linebackers Just like they did to us
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Post by A&T-roy on Sept 9, 2021 8:49:15 GMT -5
When we throw the ball to 7-9 different people (including RBs) it will be VERY DIFFICULT to stop our offense. That is virtually impossible. We only threw to 6 different people (including 1 pass to Hunt and 2 passes to Martin) in the 2019 Celebration Bowl and we scored 64 points. Few things: 1. It's not virtually impossible. Just needs to be a point of emphasis to make teams have to cover lots of people and not be able to use anyone outside what they need to be doing like blitzing, shooting gaps, etc. 2. As a matter of fact, Dobson (83) was the one wide open in the end zone when Jalen fumbled from the hit from the guy who came up from covering him. 3. I also believe you'll see Dobson wide open on the play where the corner blitzed and sacked Jalen on the play action with Jah. Granted I'm not sure Jalen would have had enough time to see and throw but they weren't covering Dobson, even with someone else. 4. Slants to WRs towards the middle are much different than hitting the TEs in the middle and seams because the WRs are typically covered by DBs while LBs typically cover TEs. The LBs will be kept honest more often. If the TE goes down the seam the safeties have to stay there and not double on the outside so much. Another way to keep them honest and have better chances on the outside. 5. Also, Trey Scott and Lockhart were/are both just WRs playing the TE position and caught most of their balls going to the outside, except 1 or 2. Lockhart did catch the TD pass against Elon doing what we're talking about here (running the seam) and he was WIDE OPEN. I think that's all I've got...for now!
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Post by ohsixrain on Sept 9, 2021 8:59:33 GMT -5
I guess that's why I don't understand coaching. You have all these weapons at your disposal and you don't use them effectively. To me, the tight end is supposed to be the quarterback's best friend, especially when he gets in trouble in the pocket. At no time, should a defense key on one phase of our offense (running or passing). As soon as we see they are keying on the run game, we should be passing and vice versa. I realize there is a strategy to follow but, I just don't think it should be rocket science...come on. Case and point: if we were to gain 9 yards on 1st down setting up a 2nd and 1, what should be our next play? ? I say we should pass as the defense will be/should be expecting Martin to get the ball. But, we don't think like that, we will run it into the teeth of the defense and might even lose yardage. Those are the type of adjustments our coaches need to make from a coaching standpoint in my opinion.
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Post by Freeze on Sept 9, 2021 10:39:25 GMT -5
I just want to see us target more underneath routes...period. Screens, quick slants, digs....anything to target the middle of the field more. It seems as though so many of our routes are to or towards the sidelines which already provides the DB or linebacker with an extra defender. Make people cover us in space and see if our athleticism can't exploit some of the slower defenses that we are going to come up against in the BS. If that means incorporating the TE into our offense more then so be it. But if folks continue to stack the box and we don't take advantage of the middle of the field then I believe we are going to see more frustration and three and outs as the season progresses.
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