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Post by pj on Dec 10, 2020 9:24:53 GMT -5
This offense is getting guys open looks on 3’s. Now if we made a respectable amount of them it would be a different offense, by things opening up. Right now, it’s a frustrating sight.
I guess my main point is that we have seen most of the assassins knock down those shots...but on different nights.
They just have to protect the rock. And keep learning one another’s game. You can’t act like you are going back-door, and then don’t do it with Kam. He is so quick with the ball and is always under pressure, he will see it an try to hit you. That’s getting to know one another.
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Post by durhamgsoaggie on Dec 10, 2020 9:42:35 GMT -5
Kwe Parker is not somebody who really can create his own shot. He is more of a high energy player, especially on the defensive perimeter. Yes, he is very athletic and can come off a screen and knock down an open jumper, but scoring is not his main skill set. If you expect Kwe to come in an get you 20 points a game, you are gonna be disappointed. The only player on the roster who has the potential to do that is Blake Harris. Based on last year... Kwe wasn't getting his own shot off the dribble. But he was knocking off major rust, so he wasn't asked to. And what he gave us fit perfectly with what Ron Jackson gave us. But with his quicks and a little individual work this summer, Kwe can get that elevated jumper anytime he wants. We don't need Kwe to get 20 ppg. I just need 12-13 to be our leading scorer to space the floor better. And between transition, alleys, and a few more opportunities in the halfcourt... I believe Kwe can do that.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2020 10:16:16 GMT -5
Kwe Parker is not somebody who really can create his own shot. He is more of a high energy player, especially on the defensive perimeter. Yes, he is very athletic and can come off a screen and knock down an open jumper, but scoring is not his main skill set. If you expect Kwe to come in an get you 20 points a game, you are gonna be disappointed. The only player on the roster who has the potential to do that is Blake Harris. But you want Blake and Kam to be lined up next to Kwe at the two.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2020 10:17:47 GMT -5
Kwe Parker is not somebody who really can create his own shot. He is more of a high energy player, especially on the defensive perimeter. Yes, he is very athletic and can come off a screen and knock down an open jumper, but scoring is not his main skill set. If you expect Kwe to come in an get you 20 points a game, you are gonna be disappointed. The only player on the roster who has the potential to do that is Blake Harris. Based on last year... Kwe wasn't getting his own shot off the dribble. But he was knocking off major rust, so he wasn't asked to. And what he gave us fit perfectly with what Ron Jackson gave us. But with his quicks and a little individual work this summer, Kwe can get that elevated jumper anytime he wants. We don't need Kwe to get 20 ppg. I just need 12-13 to be our leading scorer to space the floor better. And between transition, alleys, and a few more opportunities in the halfcourt... I believe Kwe can do that. It’s also going to open things up for Harry, Webster or whoever is at the 5 to clean up the boards.
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Post by Bornthrilla on Dec 10, 2020 10:19:50 GMT -5
I think Pommie said it best: right now the roster is too big for Coach Jones to manage. Plus there is not a concerted effort to feed the ball into the post. Our interior passing is always late and off target.
We will continue to struggle offensively if we don't identify (3) main post guys and start building our offense around them.
There is nobody on the roster who is suddenly gonna transform into Steven Rush and start knocking down 3s all game. It aint happening.
Neither do we have anybody on the roster besides Harris who can consistently beat their guy off the dribble AND finish at the rim. Kam can get inside the paint but his finishing moves are erratic. Cleveland is too small to score inside. Nobody else has the ball control skills to beat their man off the dribble. Lyons does not want to do any dirty work and is more than content with just jacking up off-balanced threes.
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Post by Bornthrilla on Dec 10, 2020 10:23:36 GMT -5
Kwe Parker is not somebody who really can create his own shot. He is more of a high energy player, especially on the defensive perimeter. Yes, he is very athletic and can come off a screen and knock down an open jumper, but scoring is not his main skill set. If you expect Kwe to come in an get you 20 points a game, you are gonna be disappointed. The only player on the roster who has the potential to do that is Blake Harris. But you want Blake and Kam to be lined up next to Kwe at the two. In my opinion, Blake is a natural two guard. We have a bunch of tweeners on this roster, so guys are playing out of position. The only natural point guard we have on the roster is Kam. Fred is not a true point. He is just a very small 2.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Dec 10, 2020 10:32:08 GMT -5
Neither do we have anybody on the roster besides Harris who take consistently beat their guy off the dribble AND finish at the rim. Kam can get inside the paint but him finishing moves are erratic. Cleveland is too small to score inside. Nobody else has the ball control skills to beat their man off the dribble. ty maye can do all of those things but he has suddenly "disappeared". maye can get his shot off and score in the paint as well as from the outside. "shockingly", nobody misses him except me. especially given that he transferred from his former team (vcu) to a&t. he's our most "reliable" and consistent scoring guard on the team. of all games, i would think that would be the one game on the schedule (vcu) that he definitely wouldn't wanna miss...
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Post by durhamgsoaggie on Dec 10, 2020 10:54:10 GMT -5
Neither do we have anybody on the roster besides Harris who take consistently beat their guy off the dribble AND finish at the rim. Kam can get inside the paint but him finishing moves are erratic. Cleveland is too small to score inside. Nobody else has the ball control skills to beat their man off the dribble. ty maye can do all of those things but he has suddenly "disappeared". maye can get his shot off and score in the paint as well as from the outside. "shockingly", nobody misses him except me. especially given that he transferred from his former team (vcu) to a&t. he's our most "reliable" and consistent scoring guard on the team. of all games, i would think that would be the one game on the schedule (vcu) that he definitely wouldn't wanna miss... I miss Tyler as well. He was held out for injury, I believe... that stinks that he missed his return game. I do think that our best starting lineup moving forward may be Kam, Tyler Maye, Kwe, Ty & Harry. If Kwe gives us what I think he can... that backcourt is more stable offensively and better defensively. Kwe gives it a vertical playmaking element that we're missing. HOWEVER... I do think we need to experiment with Harry at the 4 and Tyler Jones at the 5. Harry was 2-2 on mid-range jumpers yesterday and 0-4 in the paint. Harry's post issues are mostly lower body-related that likely require focused off-season work (including strength work) to resolve. Expecting a significant improvement in that aspect this year is probably not realistic. But I'd rather have Harry at the 4 shooting mid-range jumpers more efficiently than Q. Jones chucking up 3s. And I think Harry is a natural stretch-4 at this stage. It would also allow Harry to pass high-low to T. Jones in the post. Just an experimental thought.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Dec 10, 2020 11:21:16 GMT -5
ty maye can do all of those things but he has suddenly "disappeared". maye can get his shot off and score in the paint as well as from the outside. "shockingly", nobody misses him except me. especially given that he transferred from his former team (vcu) to a&t. he's our most "reliable" and consistent scoring guard on the team. of all games, i would think that would be the one game on the schedule (vcu) that he definitely wouldn't wanna miss... I do think that our best starting lineup moving forward may be Kam, Tyler Maye, Kwe, Ty & Harry. that would be my starting 5 too. its a little "risky" to move lions to the 4 because he's not much of a "banger". but i see more positives with lions at the 4 in that lineup than negatives...
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Post by durhamgsoaggie on Dec 10, 2020 12:09:59 GMT -5
I do think that our best starting lineup moving forward may be Kam, Tyler Maye, Kwe, Ty & Harry. that would be my starting 5 too. its a little "risky" to move lions to the 4 because he's not much of a "banger". but i see more positives with lions at the 4 in that lineup than negatives... Ty is really a 3. But he's the most effective rebounder of our frontcourt players so far. Again... experimenting with Ty at 3, Harry at 4 and Tyler Jones at 5 is worth doing over these next 3 home games.
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Post by pommie on Dec 10, 2020 13:35:12 GMT -5
ty maye can do all of those things but he has suddenly "disappeared". maye can get his shot off and score in the paint as well as from the outside. "shockingly", nobody misses him except me. especially given that he transferred from his former team (vcu) to a&t. he's our most "reliable" and consistent scoring guard on the team. of all games, i would think that would be the one game on the schedule (vcu) that he definitely wouldn't wanna miss... I miss Tyler as well. He was held out for injury, I believe... that stinks that he missed his return game. I do think that our best starting lineup moving forward may be Kam, Tyler Maye, Kwe, Ty & Harry. If Kwe gives us what I think he can... that backcourt is more stable offensively and better defensively. Kwe gives it a vertical playmaking element that we're missing. HOWEVER... I do think we need to experiment with Harry at the 4 and Tyler Jones at the 5. Harry was 2-2 on mid-range jumpers yesterday and 0-4 in the paint. Harry's post issues are mostly lower body-related that likely require focused off-season work (including strength work) to resolve. Expecting a significant improvement in that aspect this year is probably not realistic. But I'd rather have Harry at the 4 shooting mid-range jumpers more efficiently than Q. Jones chucking up 3s. And I think Harry is a natural stretch-4 at this stage. It would also allow Harry to pass high-low to T. Jones in the post. Just an experimental thought. Your thoughts are echoed by Harry himself . Just off the phone with him and he is so confused with coach Jones. However no ball today for him as he has two exams.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2020 13:40:47 GMT -5
I miss Tyler as well. He was held out for injury, I believe... that stinks that he missed his return game. I do think that our best starting lineup moving forward may be Kam, Tyler Maye, Kwe, Ty & Harry. If Kwe gives us what I think he can... that backcourt is more stable offensively and better defensively. Kwe gives it a vertical playmaking element that we're missing. HOWEVER... I do think we need to experiment with Harry at the 4 and Tyler Jones at the 5. Harry was 2-2 on mid-range jumpers yesterday and 0-4 in the paint. Harry's post issues are mostly lower body-related that likely require focused off-season work (including strength work) to resolve. Expecting a significant improvement in that aspect this year is probably not realistic. But I'd rather have Harry at the 4 shooting mid-range jumpers more efficiently than Q. Jones chucking up 3s. And I think Harry is a natural stretch-4 at this stage. It would also allow Harry to pass high-low to T. Jones in the post. Just an experimental thought. Your thoughts are echoed by Harry himself . Just off the phone with him and he is so confused with coach Jones. However no ball today for him as he has two exams. A back to back during Finals Week? Sheesh!
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Post by Maxell on Dec 10, 2020 13:45:19 GMT -5
HOWEVER... I do think we need to experiment with Harry at the 4 and Tyler Jones at the 5. It would also allow Harry to pass high-low to T. Jones in the post. Just an experimental thought.
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Post by DOOMS on Dec 10, 2020 13:48:13 GMT -5
that would be my starting 5 too. its a little "risky" to move lions to the 4 because he's not much of a "banger". but i see more positives with lions at the 4 in that lineup than negatives... Ty is really a 3. But he's the most effective rebounder of our frontcourt players so far. Again... experimenting with Ty at 3, Harry at 4 and Tyler Jones at 5 is worth doing over these next 3 home games. I literally came on here to type that I know next to nothing about basketball but why is Harry playing center with his skillset? Just cause he's tall? That makes no sense to me. Do we even have to have anybody playing center to maximize the potential of the team or can we play three guards and two forwards or something? Following convention isn't always required.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2020 14:11:23 GMT -5
Ty is really a 3. But he's the most effective rebounder of our frontcourt players so far. Again... experimenting with Ty at 3, Harry at 4 and Tyler Jones at 5 is worth doing over these next 3 home games. I literally came on here to type that I know next to nothing about basketball but why is Harry playing center with his skillset? Just cause he's tall? That makes no sense to me. Do we even have to have anybody playing center to maximize the potential of the team or can we play three guards and two forwards or something? Following convention isn't always required. the position really doesn't matter as much. We just need someone that can crash the glass, affording Harry to provide spacing and outside shooting. From what I saw last night, I think Tyler Jones can morph into that dog on the glass. If that happens, You could have a line up of Kam, Kwe/Blake, Ty, T. Jones, and Harry. That lineup would be pretty difficult to stop in conference play.
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