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Post by lenman1 on Jul 29, 2021 23:26:47 GMT -5
Not only is HBCU football deemed inferior but so is FCS football. There were only 5 players from FCS schools drafted in the 2021 draft and guess what the Big South had zero players drafted just like the MEAC or the SWAC! So does that make FCS football as "bad" as HBCU football, NO! We have defeated FCS as well as FBS schools namely, Jacksonville State, Kent State, Appalachian State and East Carolina in recent years. South Carolina State defeated FCS nationally ranked Wofford a couple of years ago. That's not emotional that's the facts. FCS football, like HBCU football have a number of talented players but lack the depth and facilities/staff to compete with FBS schools en masse! There is also an inherent bias against HBCU players and as attested by the numbers, FCS players as well. Vic Fangio ain't Vince Lombardi or Bill Bellichek, so I take his opinion with a grain of salt! He is part of the good old boy system that affords mediocre white dudes unwarranted coaching opportunities!
One of the best players in the League, Darius Leonard was'nt drafted until the 2nd Round. He was wisely described as the worst pick of the draft and is clearly one of the top 5 defensive players in the league. There is a clear bias against HBCU players, as Deion has pointed out in numerous interviews!
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Post by aggie2039 on Jul 30, 2021 2:02:34 GMT -5
Not only is HBCU football deemed inferior but so is FCS football. There were only 5 players from FCS schools drafted in the 2021 draft and guess what the Big South had zero players drafted just like the MEAC or the SWAC! So does that make FCS football as "bad" as HBCU football, NO! We have defeated FCS as well as FBS schools namely, Jacksonville State, Kent State, Appalachian State and East Carolina in recent years. South Carolina State defeated FCS nationally ranked Wofford a couple of years ago. That's not emotional that's the facts. FCS football, like HBCU football have a number of talented players but lack the depth and facilities/staff to compete with FBS schools en masse! There is also an inherent bias against HBCU players and as attested by the numbers, FCS players as well. Vic Fangio ain't Vince Lombardi or Bill Bellichek, so I take his opinion with a grain of salt! He is part of the good old boy system that affords mediocre white dudes unwarranted coaching opportunities! One of the best players in the League, Darius Leonard was'nt drafted until the 2nd Round. He was wisely described as the worst pick of the draft and is clearly one of the top 5 defensive players in the league. There is a clear bias against HBCU players, as Deion has pointed out in numerous interviews! Blah blah blah blah, you are referencing the observations of a man that didn’t know the kids he played against in the spring were ineligible for the draft? 2 teams out of 18 FCS HBCUs defeated a PWI in 2019…bruh yiu are emotional too. What win percentage is that for HBCU football ? Math for you 11% that is failing miserably failing HBCU football is not good ! If someone shot 11% from the free throw line would you say they are a good free throw shooter or a terrible free throw shooter? Terrible Outside of A&T and scsu what HBCUs defeated a PWI in 2017 2018 or 2019?
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Post by DOOMS on Jul 30, 2021 9:24:32 GMT -5
Don't know and I'm really only concerned about us and how we did at this point.
To continue to see articles downplaying our guys' readiness and ability year after year is ridiculous at this point. I'm not much on bragging but let's be honest, our coaches have a ton of experience and are well-versed at preparing our guys to play. We also regularly have played above our weight class and held our own. To continually see articles stating our players have a "limited college background in what {they've] been exposed to from a football standpoint" is nonsense. It's not just a dig at the MEAC, which is kind of supportable, it's a dig at our coaching staff (several of whom have NFL experience) as well. It's up there with referring to us as "tiny" NC A&T when we have as many students as Notre Dame.
The guys we are putting in the NFL are not ill-prepared imo.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2021 9:30:41 GMT -5
Individual talent and team success, while interlinked, are different. Year after year, we see players drafted or signed as UDFAs that succeed in the NFL every year who played on bad teams regardless of division.
Mac is balling in camp and is putting together a great practice camp film that other teams will look at. All that's left is to take advantage of his reps during their pre-season games. The NFL reduced their pre-season games this season. So live ball snaps are even that much more at a premium for Mac, who's competing with up to 11 other DBs to make the roster or practice team.
While I agree with Aggie2039, the comparisons here aren't warranted in this case and miss the point, IMHO.
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Post by A&T-roy on Jul 30, 2021 10:45:27 GMT -5
Coach sounds like he does not plan to keep Mac. If, what he expressed is true. He didn't play professionally. Played high school and college and then got into coaching from high school to college to the pros. A lot of cheap disrespecting of HBCU football. HBCU football isn’t good, facts are facts…the MEAC and SWAC can’t beat non HBCUs on the field at the FCS level. So emotional SixtiesAggie - I think you need to add "except us/A&T" in your sentence. Also, Alabama A&M beat North Alabama in 2019.
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Post by lobengula on Jul 30, 2021 11:35:31 GMT -5
Don't know and I'm really only concerned about us and how we did at this point. To continue to see articles downplaying our guys' readiness and ability year after year is ridiculous at this point. I'm not much on bragging but let's be honest, our coaches have a ton of experience and are well-versed at preparing our guys to play. We also regularly have played above our weight class and held our own. To continually see articles stating our players have a "limited college background in what {they've] been exposed to from a football standpoint" is nonsense. It's not just a dig at the MEAC, which is kind of supportable, it's a dig at our coaching staff (several of whom have NFL experience) as well. It's up there with referring to us as "tiny" NC A&T when we have as many students as Notre Dame. The guys we are putting in the NFL are not ill-prepared imo.These Right these guys are not ill prepared. The expressed idea of the inferiority of HBCU football speaks of a cultural bias of deep rooted self hatred. True we do not have the financial resources yet we continue make strides. I think recent strides are putting fear in the minds of some to the extent that more black talent may decide to go to HBCUs. The moment that we are in is frightening. For instance the January 6 incident is an insult to the collective intelligence of our society. If that was not an attempted coup something is wrong. So my argument is free all drug offenders as long as they did not use a gun or commit murder. Free all political prisoners from yesteryear Rap Brown especially.
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Post by aggie2039 on Jul 30, 2021 12:10:53 GMT -5
HBCU football isn’t good, facts are facts… the MEAC and SWAC can’t beat non HBCUs on the field at the FCS level. So emotional SixtiesAggie - I think you need to add "except us/A&T" in your sentence. Also, Alabama A&M beat North Alabama in 2019. The 2019 victory deserves an asterisk, 2019 was their second year at the D1 level. They haven’t completed their 4 year transition to full D1 status.
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Post by DOOMS on Jul 30, 2021 12:32:01 GMT -5
To me none what any other school has or hasn't done has nothing to do with this article and others that specifically call out Ayantee's athletes for not being prepared in the least for the NFL. The level of film study our athletes engaged in upon Broadway's arrival and have continued to engage in to this day alone is most likely above what most of the "higher caliber" draftees and FA signees were getting. Who you played against is only one facet of preparation. What about physical and mental fitness, film study, ability to respond to coaching?
At times Mac was a burn victim, but he always moved onto the next play and generally redeemed himself. I'm still waiting to read an article where a good play one of our guys has made isn't followed by "well, he actually should suck."
If he came from Ayantee and made it to the pros under this regime, no he shouldn't suck. Our guys are a different level. Past time these article writers acknowledged that. Of course if they gave us positive press for the high level of coaching you can get in East Greensboro it would only help us get higher caliber athletes. The last thing pro coaches want is to have to draft top talent guys that played against lower level teams, right?
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Post by aggie2039 on Jul 30, 2021 12:46:59 GMT -5
To me none what any other school has or hasn't done has nothing to do with this article and others that specifically call out Ayantee's athletes for not being prepared in the least for the NFL. The level of film study our athletes engaged in upon Broadway's arrival and have continued to engage in to this day alone is most likely above what most of the "higher caliber" draftees and FA signees were getting. Who you played against is only one facet of preparation. What about physical and mental fitness, film study, ability to respond to coaching? At times Mac was a burn victim, but he always moved onto the next play and generally redeemed himself. I'm still waiting to read an article where a good play one of our guys has made isn't followed by "well, he actually should suck." If he came from Ayantee and made it to the pros under this regime, no he shouldn't suck. Our guys are a different level. Past time these article writers acknowledged that. Of course if they gave us positive press for the high level of coaching you can get in East Greensboro it would only help us get higher caliber athletes. The last thing pro coaches want is to have to draft top talent guys that played against lower level teams, right? That respect will come once we start winning in the playoffs and are a perennial top 10 team.
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Post by DOOMS on Jul 30, 2021 12:55:19 GMT -5
I doubt it seriously. The bias against hbcu talent is too strong.
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Post by aggie2039 on Jul 30, 2021 13:01:23 GMT -5
I doubt it seriously. The bias against hbcu talent is too strong. That is the easy way out and why HBCUs continue to fail. Instead of being objective we continue to play the victim card. Our all MEAC OT Brandon Parker has been getting his @ss handed to him , our all world DE has not been performing well outside of special teams either. Where is the bias when our first team and best players get drafted and can’t crack the starting line up after multiple opportunities. Everything is not a conspiracy, we aren’t performing when we make it to the league. DJ was the MEAC and A BCF top defensive player and has only accumulated 2 sacks in 31 career games. Yes he does get playing time at DE. Our production in the nfl is what’s coaches and scouts base their assessment off of.
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Post by DOOMS on Jul 30, 2021 13:22:18 GMT -5
I've read articles stating what you're stating, but I really haven't seen Brandon "getting his a$$ handed to him" or our all world DE "not performing well outside of special teams." I basically see two guys who may not be all pros, but they are not the worst in the league by any stretch of the imagination. Not to mention they were both overlooked from jump street and coached to the level to be drafted in the NFL by our apparently second-rate coaches. But if the media paints them as sucking, so be it.
Had they attended Carolina and UGA and provided the exact same stats, they would've been labeled busts or journeymen at the worst and their preparation would not be questioned. Since they came from "tiny" NC A&T the preparation is what's lacking. That's bias and that's what I have a problem with.
When they drafted Parker the whole world knew it was a reach to draft him that high. Likewise, nobody expected DJ to be drafted at all. Yet suddenly they're expected to light the world on fire? IMO opinion they're basically providing what they were projected to provide. Yet as opposed to noting that they're where they'd been expected to be in their careers, there's consistently a mention of their experience at A&T.
I agree being all MEAC don't really mean much, but we didn't just play MEAC teams. Our guys in the NFL produced against pretty much every team we faced and they were well-prepared to do so. My issue is these articles are in essence saying we did not prepare them when in reality we turned them from projects into NFL players. If the NFL coaches can't continue to improve them, why are we being blamed? It's the job of the NFL front offices to properly vet them and the coaches to properly coach them. Instead we consistently get articles saying they're not up to snuff because of their experience before they were chosen by their current teams. Where are the articles owning up to the fact the front offices may have made a mistake picking them too high or having too high expectations?
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Post by ohsixrain on Jul 30, 2021 13:24:54 GMT -5
I doubt it seriously. The bias against hbcu talent is too strong. That is the easy way out and why HBCUs continue to fail. Instead of being objective we continue to play the victim card. Our all MEAC OT Brandon Parker has been getting his @ss handed to him , our all world DE has not been performing well outside of special teams either. Where is the bias when our first team and best players get drafted and can’t crack the starting line up after multiple opportunities. Everything is not a conspiracy, we aren’t performing when we make it to the league. DJ was the MEAC and A BCF top defensive player and has only accumulated 2 sacks in 31 career games. Yes he does get playing time at DE. Our production in the nfl is what’s coaches and scouts base their assessment off of. Wait, wait, wait a minute...it's not like they were first round draft picks. What you mentioned are expectations of 1-3 rounders and if you can get a player that can do what you mentioned in rounds 4-7 then you are ahead of the game. DJ is right where needs to be as far as progression...he is a rotational defensive end. Parker could very well be starting for the Raiders but, I think it's preference for Gruden. Where have you seen Parker getting his azz handed to him. And to that end, name 5 starting offensive tackles that have won every single match-up they've had in the NFL. Your assessment are the very thing that we are plagued with time and time again. You make it seem like Parker and Johnson have no business in the league, I beg to differ.
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Post by bluehaze on Jul 30, 2021 13:46:29 GMT -5
Aggie2039 you use a lot of buzzwords “victim, emotions, facts, feelings” The struggle is real
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Post by aggie2039 on Jul 30, 2021 14:55:47 GMT -5
Aggie2039 you use a lot of buzzwords “victim, emotions, facts, feelings” The struggle is real Their is a struggle but not in every case.
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