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Post by Bornthrilla on Sept 26, 2020 13:10:50 GMT -5
I am trying to comprehend how that concept could even be remotely feasible?
How would you handle things like homicide and sexual assault investigations?
What am I missing here?
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Post by Maxell on Sept 26, 2020 20:45:47 GMT -5
None of these slogans are to be taken literally. They are an expression of the extreme position that the police are unnecessary for 90% of the calls they make. Most police calls are for non-violent issues that could be handled by someone without a gun. One of my classmates at A&T was a NYC cop and he didn't have to use his gun for almost ten years. Similar to "Defund the Police", it's not saying take all of the money away from policing, but does 40-50% of a town's budget need to be police? These slogans are extreme for shock value.
The real message is that police is not the answer to every societal problem and Black folks are being over policed.
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Post by Bornthrilla on Sept 26, 2020 21:19:24 GMT -5
If so, that sounds like a pretty immature way to raise awareness to an issue.
I read where the entire city council in Minneapolis voted to defund the local police department after the George Floyd protests.
That sounded like they were being literal.
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Post by neighborhoodsuperstar on Sept 26, 2020 21:58:37 GMT -5
I know one thing, if that crazy@a$$ phrase keeps getting used by the Left, the more Trump will use it as fodder. The only thing that needs to be abolished is that damn phrase.
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Post by Maxell on Sept 26, 2020 23:27:36 GMT -5
If so, that sounds like a pretty immature way to raise awareness to an issue. I read where the entire city council in Minneapolis voted to defund the local police department after the George Floyd protests. That sounded like they were being literal. What Minneapolis is trying to do is build a public safety unit with zero based budgeting. The police department as we know it would be disbanded. In theory, the new public safety unit would have police officers in it but it would also have social workers, mental health professionals, security staff, traffic officers, etc. Not every call would need police dispatched but the appropriate team would respond. A robbery would need police, shoplifting may not. A shooting would need police, a car accident may not. It will be interesting to see if it works or not.
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Post by DOOMS on Sept 27, 2020 7:07:36 GMT -5
I was having the same conversation with a very liberal white buddy of mine a couple of weeks ago. He explained it to me and I gave the same response NSS did. With Trump and co.'s ability to turn dang near everything into an extremist manifesto against normalcy and peace in this country, "defund the police" definitely is buying him A LOT of votes. I mean, if the slogan "Black lives matter" is a problem, you really think "defund the police" is going over any easier, especially in an age where people would much rather react than think and consider?
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Post by neighborhoodsuperstar on Sept 27, 2020 8:00:24 GMT -5
ABOLISH THE POLICE DEFUND THE POLICE Seriously, how can anyone in their right mind think these are winning catchphrases?
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Post by Bornthrilla on Sept 27, 2020 9:08:58 GMT -5
If so, that sounds like a pretty immature way to raise awareness to an issue. I read where the entire city council in Minneapolis voted to defund the local police department after the George Floyd protests. That sounded like they were being literal. What Minneapolis is trying to do is build a public safety unit with zero based budgeting. The police department as we know it would be disbanded. In theory, the new public safety unit would have police officers in it but it would also have social workers, mental health professionals, security staff, traffic officers, etc. Not every call would need police dispatched but the appropriate team would respond. A robbery would need police, shoplifting may not. A shooting would need police, a car accident may not. It will be interesting to see if it works or not. Well, it looks like the Minneapolis experiment is no longer a thing: -------------------------- How a Pledge to Dismantle the Minneapolis Police Collapsed
When a majority of City Council members promised to “end policing as we know it” after George Floyd’s killing, they became a case study in how idealistic calls for structural change can falter.
By Astead W. Herndon Sept. 26, 2020 MINNEAPOLIS — Over three months ago, a majority of the Minneapolis City Council pledged to defund the city’s police department, making a powerful statement that reverberated across the country. It shook up Capitol Hill and the presidential race, shocked residents, delighted activists and changed the trajectory of efforts to overhaul the police during a crucial window of tumult and political opportunity. Now some council members would like a do-over. Councilor Andrew Johnson, one of the nine members who supported the pledge in June, said in an interview that he meant the words “in spirit,” not by the letter. Another councilor, Phillipe Cunningham, said that the language in the pledge was “up for interpretation” and that even among council members soon after the promise was made, “it was very clear that most of us had interpreted that language differently.” Lisa Bender, the council president, paused for 16 seconds when asked if the council’s statement had led to uncertainty at a pivotal moment for the city. “I think our pledge created confusion in the community and in our wards,” she said. The regrets formalize a retreat that has quietly played out in Minneapolis in the months since George Floyd was killed by the police and the ensuing national uproar over the treatment of Black Americans by law enforcement and the country at large. After a summer that challenged society’s commitment to racial equality and raised the prospect of sweeping political change, a cool autumn reality is settling in. National polls show decreasing support for Black Lives Matter since a sea change of good will in June. In Minneapolis, the most far-reaching policy efforts meant to address police violence have all but collapsed. In interviews this month, about two dozen elected officials, protesters and community leaders described how the City Council members’ pledge to “end policing as we know it” — a mantra to meet the city’s pain — became a case study in how quickly political winds can shift, and what happens when idealistic efforts at structural change meet the legislative process and public opposition. The pledge is now no closer to becoming policy, with fewer vocal champions than ever. It has been rejected by the city’s mayor, a plurality of residents in recent public opinion polls, and an increasing number of community groups. Taking its place have been the types of incremental reforms that the city’s progressive politicians had denounced. Read more: www.nytimes.com/2020/09/26/us/politics/minneapolis-defund-police.html
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Post by aggierattler on Sept 29, 2020 10:50:59 GMT -5
I think that we needed to DE-MILITARIZE THE POLICE.
I believe that all of these military weapons that they now possess are a major accelerator of police aggression.
They don't need to have tanks, AK-47s, bazookas, bomb-dropping choppers, concussion grenades and the sort! Hell, we already have a National Guard.
If they can't handle situations with "night sticks," small firearms and shields, then have the governor call in the National Guard.
And the other thing that really bothers me is when they shoot and kill one of us, they always say, "I was in fear of my life." If they are that damn scared, then they need to be dog-catchers and crossing guards!
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Post by DOOMS on Sept 29, 2020 12:23:02 GMT -5
If they gots to be a phrase, then it should be "Blue Lives Matter." Jedi-mind trick their asses into demilitarizing by saying in order to keep them safe we'll have them defer all more dangerous matters to the proper Agency, and we'll take the extra money that was going to all their military toys and put it into boys and girls clubs, education, proper psychological treatment for officers, and police/community engagement initiatives.
Folks are highly reactionary nowadays. They will twist any phrase that remotely sounds like it doesn't promote their agenda, so just make it sound like it promote their agenda and then twist it for them, i.e. Black Lives Matter whose official platform is waaaaay beyond just Black lives.
I've gotta believe it's harder for an officer to shoot somebody he knows and engages with on a friendly regular basis unless he's an absolute sociopath (and there are some too). Weed them out quickly.
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Post by DOOMS on Sept 29, 2020 14:43:57 GMT -5
...and just like that I get a solicitation call from a fund asking me to donate to some Police something or other. Quote: You know with so much outcry to defund the police....
Whoever came up with that idea is a five star idiot.
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Post by Bornthrilla on Oct 8, 2020 12:32:26 GMT -5
COLIN KAEPERNICK CALLS FOR ABOLITION OF POLICE 'Roots In White Supremacy' 10/8/2020 8:57 AM PT Colin Kaepernick is calling for the end of America's current policing system ... saying Wednesday, "In order to eradicate anti-Blackness, we must also abolish the police." The ex-NFL star spelled out his wishes for the country in a pointed essay ... claiming the current U.S. police system has "roots in white supremacy and anti-Blackness." Kaepernick says based on his research ... he believes the "central intent" of cops is to "surveil, terrorize, capture, and kill marginalized populations, specifically Black folks." And, Kaep says the only way to stop that is to tear down the entire system. The 32-year-old says simpler solutions -- like police reforms -- just flat-out don't work. "F**k reform," Kapernick said, adding, "reforms have done nothing to stop the actions that force us to #SayTheirNames." Kaepernick is also urging the end of the country's prison system ... saying it, too, has roots based in racism. "Abolition is the only way to secure a future beyond anti-Black institutions of social control, violence, and premature death," Kaepernick said. Colin says once the systems are dismantled ... he wants to see the funding "reinvested directly into communities to address mental health needs, homelessness and houselessness, access to education, and job creation as well as community-based methods of accountability." Kaepernick added, "This is a future that centers the needs of the people, a future that will make us safer, healthier, and truly free." www.tmz.com/2020/10/08/colin-kaepernick-calls-for-abolition-of-police/
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Post by JeffAggieFan on Oct 9, 2020 17:23:53 GMT -5
I am sorry Colin that will not work unless your Nino Brown or Don Corleon running thing
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Post by Bornthrilla on Oct 10, 2020 17:34:41 GMT -5
Here's Colin's essay on abolishing the police: level.medium.com/the-demand-for-abolition-979c759ff6fSpoiler alert: he does not give any concrete answers on what citizens are expected to do about crime when the police are abolished. In my opinion, this brother sounds like he is intellectually immature.
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Post by Bornthrilla on Nov 13, 2020 12:34:26 GMT -5
In retrospect, what impact do you think did the "Abolish the Police" movement had on this recent election?
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