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Post by oleschoolaggie on Aug 17, 2020 16:02:23 GMT -5
But know that there are "very fine people on both sides". LOL
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Aug 17, 2020 16:07:05 GMT -5
need to tell the "whole story". those 33 players (plus 1 staff member) are the results of testing over the course of the entire "summer" which may or may not been contracted off campus or in their home towns. but it is not the results of testing since preseason training camp started "last monday". since preseason training camp started "last monday", their most recent round of testing last week revealed "zero" positive results since training camp started. just sayin'... www.al.com/auburnfootball/2020/08/auburn-had-34-total-positive-covid-19-tests-between-players-coaches-this-summer.htmlAuburn had 34 total positive COVID-19 tests between players, coaches this summer
By Tom Green | tgreen@al.com Updated 3:08 PM; Today 1:22 PMAuburn has administered 836 COVID-19 tests to its football team and staff this summer, with a total of just 34 positive cases since June 4, coach Gus Malzahn announced Monday. Each of Auburn’s players was tested at least seven times this summer, with staff members receiving five tests apiece. In all, Auburn had 33 positive cases among its players and one case among its coaching staff, including three asymptomatic positive tests among players upon their initial return to campus in early June. It is unclear how many of the 34 total positives were asymptomatic, though at least one -- defensive back Traivon Leonard -- experienced symptoms, as described in his Instagram post announcing his decision to opt out of the 2020 season. In all, Auburn’s testing of players and staff produced a "3.9 percent" positive rate this summer.“That gives us a lot of confidence going into fall camp today and getting started,” Malzahn said of the most recent round of testing. “... I think overall, you can really see the excitement on our players and you can tell with the coaches too. It has been a long time coming. We’re excited to get out there with our players today and start practice.” That "promising news" comes after a somewhat up-and-down summer, with Malzahn noting that “quite a few” of the players’ 33 positive cases coming during an undisclosed midsummer period that resulted in a notable learning moment for the team when it comes to personal responsibility. “Our team just came together and started being accountable to each other when we’re outside this building,” Malzahn said. “We’ve done a really good job inside this building, but when we go outside this building, we’ve got to be responsible. We’ve been preaching to our guys about masks, social distancing—your circle’s got to be very small, who you’re with. Our guys have done a super job with that, and I think because of the sacrifice they’ve done to get here, these guys want to play.”
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Post by aggierattler on Aug 17, 2020 16:33:47 GMT -5
UNC-Chapel Hill moves to online-only instruction for undergraduates as COVID-19 cases increaseBy CBS 17 Digital Desk | August 17, 2020 at 4:06 PM EDT - Updated August 17 at 4:07 PM
CHAPEL HILL, N.C. (WNCN) – Following an increase of 135 COVID-19 cases on campus in a week, in-person undergraduate classes at UNC-CH will move online.
Chancellor Kevin Guskiewicz said the change goes into effect Wednesday.
“Since launching the Roadmap for Fall 2020, we have emphasized that if we were faced with the need to change plans – take an off-ramp – we would not hesitate to do so, but we have not taken this decision lightly,” Guskiewicz said.
Graduate, professional and health affairs courses will continue to be taught as they are, or as directed by the schools.
The University announced four clusters of the virus among students within three days.
Guskiewicz’s announcement comes just hours after Barbara Rimer, dean of UNC-Chapel Hill’s Gillings School of Global Public Health, called for classes to be moved online.
From WECT-TV: www.wect.com/2020/08/17/unc-chapel-hill-moves-online-only-instruction-undergraduates-covid-cases-increase/...but it's safe for their students to play F-O-O-T-B-A-L-L?? [/div][/font]
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Aug 17, 2020 16:47:15 GMT -5
football players are under "better control" and supervision than the general student body. i would expect the football players who have "curfews" and structured schedules to have a better positive testing rate than the general student body...
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Post by aggieblackie2 on Aug 17, 2020 16:59:10 GMT -5
Thank you doctor, nurse, scientist, Einstein, Trump, Hannity OSA for your broad knowledge.
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Post by oldschool on Aug 17, 2020 18:13:42 GMT -5
and my "opinion" is that the nba, wnba, mls, nhl, and mlb have provided in effect a "case study" that says that competitive sports can take place "more safely" relative to covid-19 than it is for you and me to walk the streets in the "general public" and that's a "FACT", not only my opinion.
The NBA,WNBA,MLS,and NHL are all using the bubble protocol, not one person in the bubble is walking the streets with the "general public". "Fact" not only my opinion .If college football was using the bubble protocol ,we wouldn't be having this conversation .
MLB players were tested prior to coming into camp ,and required to self quarantine for 72 hours ,before being allowed into camp ,and they have stringent rules in place to avoid coming into close contact ,and lastly baseball by it's very nature utilizes social distancing .
The NFL is in camp but have not had any full contact scrimmages so the book is still out on them .
It's so important when making comparisons to only compare "apples to apples " so forth and so on .
We've already had one incident at Colorado where they were telling players and staff to not report anything ,so personally I don't trust the upper tier programs even if they have the resources to do so .
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Post by oldschool on Aug 17, 2020 20:46:13 GMT -5
You do realize that any doctor,scientist,or even a nurse that says "college football can be played safely" is only giving their "opinion" also , simply because not one college team has even played one down of football during these pandemic conditions . As a matter of fact "my opinion" has just as much weight as any doctor ,scientist ,or nurse . See the way science works is ,you have to do research ,write up your findings ,then publish your findings ,and other research people then perform the same test,under the same criteria and if they come to the same conclusion ,then it becomes "fact". So since no one has done the research ,because no one has actually played football ,no doctor,scientist ,nurse ,you,me or anybody can say with any degree of certainty what can be done during this pandemic . In my opinion no amateur athlete ,high school ,or college should put their health at risk simply for the entertainment of others .The pros are a different story because ,at least they are getting compensated handsomely for taking that risk . "As a matter of fact "my opinion" has just as much weight as any doctor ,scientist ,or nurse" DUDE REALLY LHM!!! And I thought 45 had a Grandiose attitude LOL!! Yes really LOL, I know you've seen or heard of the black doctor , who proclaimed to have a cure for Covid-19 , she also claims that certain diseases are caused by demons having sex with people while they are asleep ,and that we have developed medicines from aliens . Just because you have a title before your name doesn't automatically make you an expert . "THINK ,IT AIN'T ILLEGAL YET" ,"MIND YOUR WANTS ,BECAUSE SOMEBODY WANTS YOUR MIND"
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Post by oldschool on Aug 17, 2020 21:05:08 GMT -5
football players are under "better control" and supervision than the general student body. i would expect the football players who have "curfews" and structured schedules to have a better positive testing rate than the general student body... We would like to think that football players are in fact under better control and supervision , but youngsters will be youngsters . I know we can all remember football players here at A&T have been suspended and/or kicked off the team for violating team rules . Look I am truly disappointed that we may not have our chance for a last hoorah in the MEAC ,and we will have to observe all the others who are intent on playing this year ,then and only then will we know what the effects will be .
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Aug 17, 2020 21:16:31 GMT -5
and my "opinion" is that the nba, wnba, mls, nhl, and mlb have provided in effect a "case study" that says that competitive sports can take place "more safely" relative to covid-19 than it is for you and me to walk the streets in the "general public" and that's a "FACT", not only my opinion. The NBA,WNBA,MLS,and NHL are all using the bubble protocol, not one person in the bubble is walking the streets with the "general public". "Fact" not only my opinion .If college football was using the bubble protocol ,we wouldn't be having this conversation . MLB players were tested prior to coming into camp ,and required to self quarantine for 72 hours ,before being allowed into camp ,and they have stringent rules in place to avoid coming into close contact ,and lastly baseball by it's very nature utilizes social distancing . The NFL is in camp but have not had any full contact scrimmages so the book is still out on them . It's so important when making comparisons to only compare "apples to apples " so forth and so on . We've already had one incident at Colorado where they were telling players and staff to not report anything ,so personally I don't trust the upper tier programs even if they have the resources to do so . you have a habit of going off "on a different tangent" than what i've stated. i never said that colleges can do "exactly" what the nba/wnba/mls/mlb/nfl/nhl does. what i said was that those leagues represent a "case study" that provides "real evidence" that "competitive sports" can take place "more safely" relative to covid-19 than you and me walking the streets and that's statistically "true". but i never said colleges can do exactly what the pro's are doing. however, colleges know what works by virtue of the experiences that the pro's are having. i never said colleges can employ the same "bubble" concept as the nba/wnba. but they can employ some "aspects" of the nba/wnba bubble. baseball players all sit in the same "dugout" together and many of them do not wear "masks". nonetheless, colleges can use some the same protocols that mlb uses. and you're correct that the nfl has not started contact drills yet. but you don't have to conduct contact drills in order to contract covid-19. all nfl players are "pre-tested" prior to being admitted to practice. so it don't matter whether they have contact drills or not, if all the players have tested "negative" for covid, then you're not gonna contract the virus out of the "clear blue sky". bottom line is that there's no reason to "rule out" the possibility that colleges who have adequate financial means can play football reasonably safely from covid-19 if they employ the right protocols. and now that they expect to have "quick turnaround" inexpensive testing available, its even more likely that there will be fall 2020 bcs football...
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Aug 17, 2020 21:22:49 GMT -5
football players are under "better control" and supervision than the general student body. i would expect the football players who have "curfews" and structured schedules to have a better positive testing rate than the general student body... We would like to think that football players are in fact under better control and supervision , but youngsters will be youngsters . I know we can all remember football players here at A&T have been suspended and/or kicked off the team for violating team rules . Look I am truly disappointed that we may not have our chance for a last hoorah in the MEAC ,and we will have to observe all the others who are intent on playing this year ,then and only then will we know what the effects will be . nobody is saying that football players are a bunch of "choir boys". however, they will be "tested" on a "regular basis", unlike the general student body. football players will have "curfews", unlike the general student body. football players will "likely" be isolated in the same dorm, away from the general student body unless they are forced to attend class together. the general student body does not have such controls in place and are far more likely to be exposed to covid-19 as a result...
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Post by ohsixrain on Aug 18, 2020 7:19:53 GMT -5
So then we are talking about the "Haves and the Have Nots" then right? Those schools that have the financial means and resources to pay for a bubble-like environment should get out there and play...what about the schools that don't, though? Vanderbilt may not have the same financial resources to institute a bubble-like environment as a Florida, Alabama or LSU. So, don't you think that could be risky? If you ask me, all bubbles should be the exact same otherwise, you open yourself and other teams up to risk. Let me say it like this, if the MEAC were playing and A&T instituted a fairly strict bubble environment and we go play SCSU whose bubble environment is NOT half as strict as ours from an affordability standpoint, would you want us to play the game?
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Post by Aggie One on Aug 20, 2020 18:33:42 GMT -5
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Aug 20, 2020 21:00:23 GMT -5
So then we are talking about the "Haves and the Have Nots" then right? Those schools that have the financial means and resources to pay for a bubble-like environment should get out there and play...what about the schools that don't, though? Vanderbilt may not have the same financial resources to institute a bubble-like environment as a Florida, Alabama or LSU. So, don't you think that could be risky? If you ask me, all bubbles should be the exact same otherwise, you open yourself and other teams up to risk. Let me say it like this, if the MEAC were playing and A&T instituted a fairly strict bubble environment and we go play SCSU whose bubble environment is NOT half as strict as ours from an affordability standpoint, would you want us to play the game? first of all, i have "NEVER ONCE" stated that a&t nor any other college "SHOULD" play football this fall or next spring. nor have i stated that they shouldn't. so let's make that clear. but what i have stated is that i think it is "possible" (not guaranteed) for colleges to play football "reasonably" safe from covid-19 if they have adequate resources to cover all of the necessary precautions. all 32 nfl teams are currently practicing "bubble free", only 56 players "TOTAL" has tested positive since training camps opened. that a grand total of "2 friggin percent"!! bubble free!! now, do you know what the overall usa positive testing rate is for covid? last i checked, it was "5%"! so the "bubble less" nfl has a positive covid rate (2%) that's way "LESS" than the overall usa average. so its "SAFER" to play in the "bubble less" nfl than it is to "walk the public streets" of america. secondly, i don't accept the premise of your scenario. i would expect every single football player to be "tested" the morning of each game that is played and no player who returns "positive" test results should be allowed to play regardless of the precautions that their respective school has taken. so using my suggested process, it don't matter what precautions all other schools take...
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Post by ohsixrain on Aug 21, 2020 21:54:15 GMT -5
OSA...calm down, I didn't say you say you said anything. I'm giving some food for thought. And each team has a bubble-like environment in the NFL, that's why the kid got cut trying to sneak a girl in the team's hotel in Seattle. As far as testing, it's still too much lag time. If every school can afford tests that come back in 4 hours then fine. But, I will tell you those tests are more expensive than the test that come bMack on a week or so. So, I'm saying, it's no easy sell at our level.
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Post by aggierattler on Aug 21, 2020 22:21:45 GMT -5
OSA...calm down, I didn't say you say you said anything. I'm giving some food for thought. And each team has a bubble-like environment in the NFL, that's why the kid got cut trying to sneak a girl in the team's hotel in Seattle. As far as testing, it's still too much lag time. If every school can afford tests that come back in 4 hours then fine. But, I will tell you those tests are more expensive than the test that come bMack on a week or so. So, I'm saying, it's no easy sell at our level. You are right. The tests that the SEC is using cost over $110 per test (as of last week). No FCS schools (except maybe the 4 Dakota schools) can afford this type of twice-a-week testing for football players, let alone adding all of the other fall athletes.
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