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Post by saabman on Jul 11, 2020 1:55:51 GMT -5
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Post by aggie2039 on Jul 11, 2020 6:43:46 GMT -5
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Post by aggie2039 on Jul 11, 2020 6:51:15 GMT -5
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Post by Freeze on Jul 11, 2020 14:14:52 GMT -5
Great article on this in Inside Higher Education. I'll post a few good snippets. You can click on this link for the full article: www.insidehighered.com/views/2020/07/10/colleges-are-flimflamming-college-students-and-parents-about-reopening-fall-opinionI particularly like this last quote, equating college presidents to CEOs. They and the state legislators are saying all the right things right now to (falsely) keep the hopes of their stakeholders (students and parents) up. This is what they are SUPPOSED to say and do. But the truth is that this is a slow moving car wreck as the article points out. It's simply not worth the explosion of the virus that is sure to come when all of these young, impulsive, and care free youth get to campus. If college administrators don't pump the brakes and soon, its gonna get ugly and we may never get a good hold of the virus.
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Post by Bornthrilla on Jul 11, 2020 14:26:55 GMT -5
Freeze, it could easily be another 12 to 18 months before there is a vaccine for this disease.
Do you think any HBCUs will still be operating if we dont have on-campus learning until Fall 2022?
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Post by Freeze on Jul 11, 2020 20:17:02 GMT -5
Freeze, it could easily be another 12 to 18 months before there is a vaccine for this disease. Do you think any HBCUs will still be operating if we dont have on-campus learning until Fall 2022? Bruh, I've got three words for you. FLATTEN. THE. CURVE. We can't even do that. Why? Because the moment that Americans found out Covid 19 was disproportionately affecting Black and brown folks they hit the streets demanding that "Amurica" reopen. We're not even in a second wave yet. We're still in the first!! America's profound ignorance about this virus is stunning and the fact that we are dealing with this pandemic while also dealing with our ongoing pandemic of white supremacy makes it even more vexing. But it does us no good when you jump to extremes bro. To argue that campuses won't reopen til the fall of 2022 while we wait on a vaccine is a major reach. That's two years. I haven't seen any scientific models or even any public conversation that makes the argument that we should shut down everything for two years. Let's just work on flattening the curve. Properly fund the scientists and epidemiological community and listen to their advice. Let's be smart about how we approach this. Reopening our institutions and businesses was the worst we could do...arguing that athletes should play sports to entertain us is in the middle of a pandemic that we have yet to control is probably even worse.
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Post by Freeze on Jul 11, 2020 20:52:04 GMT -5
https://www.instagram.com/p/CChBQozngbE Ask yourself....we have over 12k students. Which one of their lives is worth it for us to reopen campus? Are we willing to take that gamble? Are we ready for that blowback should that type of tragedy happen? You talk about HBCUs not being able to survive having our campuses temporarily closed. Can we survive with them being open and the horrible PR that is going to come with one of our students, faculty, or staff dying from this because of unnecessary exposure? Or are folks shifting into Trump's camp and embracing the fact that some lives need to be sacrificed to get back to "normalcy?" I pray not.
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Post by Bornthrilla on Jul 11, 2020 22:52:08 GMT -5
Freeze, if we dont have on-campus learning in Fall 2020 because of the safety risks, it is highly unlikely any those risks will be gone in January 2021. That would require having a vaccine on the market in the next 4 months.
That means Spring 2021 is now remote-only too, based on your precedent. And when you consider the refunds we had to give out this past year, that would basically be 3 straight semesters of huge revenue shortages.
Twelve months is a very plausible (and conservative) prediction based on the current data. And like you said, we are still only in the first wave. It could be longer.
I'm sorry, but you guys are being very naive if you think a 12 month campus shutdown won't have a cataclysmic effect on most HBCUs. We have to find a way to keep the campus open AND keep people as safe as possible.
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Post by Freeze on Jul 11, 2020 23:55:49 GMT -5
Freeze, if we dont have on-campus learning in Fall 2020 because of the safety risks, it is highly unlikely any those risks will be gone in January 2021. That would require having a vaccine on the market in the next 4 months. That means Spring 2021 is now remote-only too, based on your precedent. And when you consider the refunds we had to give out this past year, that would basically be 3 straight semesters of huge revenue shortages. Twelve months is a very plausible (and conservative) prediction based on the current data. And like you said, we are still only in the first wave. It could be longer. I'm sorry, but you guys are being very naive if you think a 12 month campus shutdown won't have a cataclysmic effect on most HBCUs. We have to find a way to keep the campus open AND keep people as safe as possible. Good luck with that. Did you read the article by the way? This was the last paragraph: But I am sure you and others who want to press ahead have great ideas about how to make sure our students are social distancing 24/7 in order to keep EVERYONE on campus safe. Again...good luck with that.
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Post by Maxell on Jul 12, 2020 0:21:55 GMT -5
If you don't feel safe, take classes online.
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Post by Bornthrilla on Jul 12, 2020 10:10:26 GMT -5
Freeze, I didn't say keep everyone on campus safe. I said "safe as possible".
That is the calculated risk I have been talking about since this pandemic began; that everyone will eventually have to make.
Question: do you honestly believe A&T can go online-only for the next two semesters and not have to suffer massive job losses and a dramatic drop in student enrollment?
If you believe we can just weather the storm for another full year and every thing will be honky dory then I will try your plan. However, I don't think there will be a vaccine by December and I dont think we can endure such a financial blow as an HBCU.
Based on the data we have available, the probability of students dying from this disease or even suffering longterm health issues simply do no warrant shutting down campus. I agree that would be the safest approach during a pandemic, jut like I agree not leaving your house for any reason is the safest approach during a pandemic.
Yet, everyone who is reading this still makes a calculated risk to leave your house everyday during a pandemic.
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Post by aggie2039 on Jul 12, 2020 10:19:55 GMT -5
Freeze, I didn't say keep everyone on campus safe. I said "safe as possible". That is the calculated risk I have been talking about since this pandemic began; that everyone will eventually have to make. Question: do you honestly believe A&T can go online-only for the next two semesters and not have to suffer massive job losses and a dramatic drop in student enrollment? If you believe we can just weather the storm for another full year and every thing will be honky dory then I will try your plan. However, I don't think there will be a vaccine by December and I dont think we can endure such a financial blow as an HBCU. Based on the data we have available, the probability of students dying from this disease or even suffering longterm health issues simply do no warrant shutting down campus. I agree that would be the safest approach during a pandemic, jut like I agree not leaving your house for any reason is the safest approach during a pandemic. Yet, everyone who is reading this still makes a calculated risk to leave your house everyday during a pandemic. Yep, I go in to work 5 days a week.
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Post by Bornthrilla on Jul 12, 2020 10:22:05 GMT -5
You are a monster. You are putting your family and others at risk just so you can make money.
How dare you!
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