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Post by Jesse Jackson's Side eye on Jun 20, 2020 19:18:14 GMT -5
I wonder why the NC HBCUs have not collectively sued the UNC system as our counterparts have in other states such as Maryland and Alabama?
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Post by SixtiesAggie on Jun 20, 2020 19:37:40 GMT -5
Oleschool bringing the heat. Never knew that info. It was widely known by those of us who went through that whole episode. We thought the federal people were going to make sure that all of the states that were mandated under this order would abide by the decree. As we suspected, the state was not going to allow any very prestigious program which would garner large sums of financial support and national attention be established on our campus or any public HBCU. Hence, Webb Hall the animal science program, and the Corbett Arena aka original classroom building were built to appease the "darkies". You see, the state does not build sports facilities. This slap in the face had become a media fiasco for the state (Board of Governors, Legislature, General Administration and Governor). And to add insult to injury, they award an MBA program to Fayetteville State. Craig had built one of the best business schools in the region. It's accounting program was the first HBCU to be accredited and was accredited before most white schools in this state. However, the effort to stunt or stymy the forward advancement of A&T continues. I have articles stored somewhere on the Vet School rejection.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2020 20:04:45 GMT -5
Oleschool bringing the heat. Never knew that info. It was widely known by those of us who went through that whole episode. We thought the federal people were going to make sure that all of the states that were mandated under this order would abide by the decree. As we suspected, the state was not going to allow any very prestigious program which would garner large sums of financial support and national attention be established on our campus or any public HBCU. Hence Webb Hall the animal science program, and the Corbett Arena aka original classroom building were built to appease the "darkies". You see, the state does not build sports facilities. This slap in the face had become a media fiasco for the state (Board of Governors, Legislature, General Administration and Governor). And to add insult to injury, they award an MBA program to Fayetteville State. Craig had built one of the best business schools in the region. It's accounting program was the first HBCU to be accredited and was accredited before most white schools in this state. However, the effort to stunt or stymy the forward advancement of A&T continues. I have articles storied somewhere on the Vet School rejection. Well, it seems a state like NC can support 2 Vet Schools in 2020, right?
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Post by aggie252 on Jun 20, 2020 22:22:53 GMT -5
I interviewed a a veterinarian for my HS senior project back in 05. When I mentioned I was going to A&T, she informed me that A&T was 1 of 2 places you could take the state board, and that she took hers at A&T. I would assume N.C. State is the other.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Jun 21, 2020 2:56:55 GMT -5
Oleschool bringing the heat. Never knew that info. i kinda remembered it because i was a senior in high school at the time and i was deciding where i was gonna go to college and of course a&t was very high on my list. the vet school debate was "highly visible" in the news all across the state, so as a high school senior who was considering to attend a&t at the time, naturally it caught my attention. that's why i had a recollection of the controversy, it was all over the local news even down east...
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Jun 21, 2020 3:00:04 GMT -5
I wonder why the NC HBCUs have not collectively sued the UNC system as our counterparts have in other states such as Maryland and Alabama? that's a very good question, especially during these times of racial inequality protests. now is probably the best time to do so...
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Post by aggie2039 on Jun 21, 2020 8:11:40 GMT -5
Hopefully the improvements at the farm are positioning us as a good candidate for a vet school. Kinda like how we backdoored our way into a MBA program. Our admin plays chess and politics very well.
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Post by SixtiesAggie on Jun 21, 2020 15:51:05 GMT -5
Historically most states had only one vet school, with the exception of Alabama which had two. Needed one somewhere for Black folks, which was Tuskegee. Before building the ncsu school, the state had a contractual agreement with Alabama and Tennessee to produce animal doctors. Hence, Greensboro's own infamous conservative politician Trudy Wade received her medical degree from Tuskegee.
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Post by lobengula on Aug 13, 2020 7:10:59 GMT -5
It was widely known by those of us who went through that whole episode. We thought the federal people were going to make sure that all of the states that were mandated under this order would abide by the decree. As we suspected, the state was not going to allow any very prestigious program which would garner large sums of financial support and national attention be established on our campus or any public HBCU. Hence Webb Hall the animal science program, and the Corbett Arena aka original classroom building were built to appease the "darkies". You see, the state does not build sports facilities. This slap in the face had become a media fiasco for the state (Board of Governors, Legislature, General Administration and Governor). And to add insult to injury, they award an MBA program to Fayetteville State. Craig had built one of the best business schools in the region. It's accounting program was the first HBCU to be accredited and was accredited before most white schools in this state. However, the effort to stunt or stymy the forward advancement of A&T continues. I have articles storied somewhere on the Vet School rejection. Well, it seems a state like NC can support 2 Vet Schools in 2020, right? Some of us were not deceived by the deception of the outcome of Veterinary School. The legal strategy of Julius Chambers was akin to the strategy of the school desegregation matters in Charlotte. During that time HBCUs were under attack. The idea which was a sincere effort was to enhance efforts of cultural pluralism at A&T with the Veterinary in being attractive Caucasian students relative to the consent decree. The state relied upon a consultant's study from Ohio State whose view was that you do not build such a school in the wilderness.
Yet sometime later during the construction of Aggie Stadium prior to the breaking of ground those efforts were once again stymied by a so called environmental impact study. That stadium design by Mr. Jenkins was a beautiful model. Even now with the School of Nanotechnology it does not bear the name of A&T but rather a collaborative partnership with UNC-G.
Quite candidly this region is indebted to A&T for it has contributed much such as the East/West football basketball games birthed on A&T College campus. It is my belief that we in danger of losing our status as an HBCU to the extent that our mission has been hijacked. In terms of funding that has been niggardly. I believe that A&T has never been forgiven for its student activism February 1, 1960, May 22, 1969 and the events of 9/11. Yet in this vein none of the schools graduates' architects of the financial events of September 2008, nor the current economic crises has been treated in the manner of funding that A&T and other HBCUs have been treated.
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Post by lobengula on Aug 13, 2020 7:14:37 GMT -5
I always thought the Animal Science department was a vet school. Guess you learn something new every day. The Animal Science Department was to be a corollary with NC State' school of Veterinary Science.
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Post by Maxell on Aug 13, 2020 10:17:08 GMT -5
Since we now understand the Confederate roots of many of these decision makers, I'm not surprised.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Aug 13, 2020 11:59:12 GMT -5
Since we now understand the Confederate roots of many of these decision makers, I'm not surprised. perfect example of why nc state got the vet school and we didn't...
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Post by Aggie77 on Aug 13, 2020 19:21:06 GMT -5
I was on the Yard back then, like OSA said this was a very controversial decision back then, even with the federal government weighting in. There's a book "The College of Veterinary Medicine, North Carolina State University: A Personal Perspective of Its Founding" that addresses some of the details. See the section "The School of Veterinary Medicine and the Desegregation Debate", starting on page 33. Book
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Post by Maxell on Aug 13, 2020 19:58:33 GMT -5
I was on the Yard back then, like OSA said this was a very controversial decision back then, even with the federal government weighting in. There's a book "The College of Veterinary Medicine, North Carolina State University: A Personal Perspective of Its Founding" that addresses some of the details. See the section "The School of Veterinary Medicine and the Desegregation Debate", starting on page 33. BookThat was a fascinating read. It was yet another example of the federal government fight for Black people's rights vs the southern states, 110 years after the Civil War. Dowdy was hoodwinked into thinking we were getting a "teaching facility" and we get a related activity "Animal Sciences" in lieu of the school. The UNC Board made a promise that they would set black enrollment target of 10.4% at white institutions and that ultimately satisfied Dowdy and the feds. Oh, and guess what the current enrollment % (45 years later) at NC State is: The enrolled student population at North Carolina State University at Raleigh is 63% White, 5.92% Black or African American. No school no increased enrollment.The feds were hoodwinked also. The more I learn about white leaders in my home state the more I ... At least I now know who the Webb building is named for, the man who fought like hell to get that veterinary school at A&T.
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Post by lobengula on Aug 15, 2020 12:35:07 GMT -5
I was on the Yard back then, like OSA said this was a very controversial decision back then, even with the federal government weighting in. There's a book "The College of Veterinary Medicine, North Carolina State University: A Personal Perspective of Its Founding" that addresses some of the details. See the section "The School of Veterinary Medicine and the Desegregation Debate", starting on page 33. BookThat was a fascinating read. It was yet another example of the federal government fight for Black people's rights vs the southern states, 110 years after the Civil War. Dowdy was hoodwinked into thinking we were getting a "teaching facility" and we get a related activity "Animal Sciences" in lieu of the school. The UNC Board made a promise that they would set black enrollment target of 10.4% at white institutions and that ultimately satisfied Dowdy and the feds. Oh, and guess what the current enrollment % (45 years later) at NC State is: The enrolled student population at North Carolina State University at Raleigh is 63% White, 5.92% Black or African American. No school no increased enrollment.The feds were hoodwinked also. The more I learn about white leaders in my home state the more I ... At least I now know who the Webb building is named for, the man who fought like hell to get that veterinary school at A&T. Dr. Dowdy was no fool. He was very intelligent yet humble. In fact I recall the hate directed toward him from the local political machine concerning the smoke from the furnace for the heating of the campus as though it was his fault. I recall Dr. Dowdy replying we burn coal and the result is the smoke from the burning of the coal. Then I recall from some of the elders how all the HBCUs would have to go to Raleigh to make their case for funding only to be humiliated in the process. Yet Dr. Dowdy achieved his funding without losing his dignity. Again this is the hate due to our ontology and relevance for which we do not and should not apologize. There is a reason why we have not been funded like we should when you recall the work of Dr. George Washington Carver. They know that we are not inferior and that God did not curse us. In fact God has blessed us tremendously for giving sanctuary to his Son in Africa who was born on the run with a bounty on his head. This current climate demands something from us again to effect another tectonic social change paradigm shift at this crucial period.
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