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Post by uncafan on May 15, 2020 12:56:15 GMT -5
Hey y'all, it's been a while since I've been on here, but thought I'd create a tread for A&T's transition to the Big South at least on the basketball side of things. Hope it's cool that I'm creating a thread.
Now that we're seeing athletic departments budgets getting cut some, I'm curious what you all think about NCCU moving to the Big South sooner rather than later? It would save them a ton of cash, upwards of $1m since the Big South is in in NC, SC and VA with travel, food and hotel costs. Plus, the Big South really does help move them up in the conference rank. Presbyterian very well may drop to d2 in the coming seasons and leave room for NCCU.
In terms of this upcoming season, I'm sure y'all will do great in the MEAC like normal. In the Big South, Winthrop is going to be even better than they were last season. They're 11-seed potential good. UNCA has rebuilt under Mike Morrell after a good 15-yr run seasons under Eddie Biedenbach and 5-seasons under Nick Mcdevitt before he got the MTSU job. We also just signed Silas Mason who had a ton of P5 offers. We should have 12-15 conference wins this season.
Radford is retooling but has some pieces, Hampton is still going to be quality with Stanley still there, High Point is rebuilding under Tubby Smith, while Gardner-Webb and Campbell are rebuilding as well after some good 4-year runs. CSU and USC Upstate are going to better than they've been in years. They both should be in the middle pack this season.
I'm looking forward to you guy's joining the conference. It should be some good showdowns at the top of the conference each year with Winthrop, UNCA, Hampton, NC A&T and Radford and Gardner-Webb. High Point should rebuild fast as well with the new arena and Tubby Smith. We'll see.
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Post by Bornthrilla on May 15, 2020 13:04:36 GMT -5
Explain to me how this move would save NCCU $1 million.
Even our leaders here at A&T admitted that this was a lateral move financially for us.
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Post by aggie2039 on May 15, 2020 13:36:10 GMT -5
Explain to me how this move would save NCCU $1 million. Even our leaders here at A&T admitted that this was a lateral move financially for us. You are misquoting our leaders, they did not say financially it was a lateral. They said joining another FCS conference is a lateral. Our leadership WAG on costs savings was $400K-$500K.
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Post by Maxell on May 15, 2020 13:39:27 GMT -5
Has Presbyterian given any indication of moving down or is that speculation?
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Post by Bornthrilla on May 15, 2020 14:09:11 GMT -5
Explain to me how this move would save NCCU $1 million. Even our leaders here at A&T admitted that this was a lateral move financially for us. You are misquoting our leaders, they did not say financially it was a lateral. They said joining another FCS conference is a lateral. Our leadership WAG on costs savings was $400K-$500K. Sorry, but they did say that the move to the Big South was financially a lateral move:
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Post by bluehaze on May 15, 2020 14:20:25 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure that response from the AD came after a question about the media package in regards to the ESPN deal, so I took it to mean a lateral move financially in regards to revenue. They stated plenty of times that there would be a savings in travel as aggie2039 is referring.
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Post by Bornthrilla on May 15, 2020 14:29:13 GMT -5
The anticipated travel savings is only one item in the ledger.
But you also have to factor in potential loss of revenue from leaving the MEAC and, of course, the significant entry fee that A&T has to pay the Big South to become a member.
That is why he admitted that this was basically a lateral move. You save money on one hand (less travel expenses) but you may lose money (stadium revenue, potential Celebration Bowl check, Big South entry fee, etc..) on the other.
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Post by Bornthrilla on May 15, 2020 14:30:51 GMT -5
Dont forget: Earl Hilton is a lawyer. He knows how to not make promises that he can't keep ...
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Post by aggie2039 on May 15, 2020 15:01:36 GMT -5
The anticipated travel savings is only one item in the ledger. But you also have to factor in potential loss of revenue from leaving the MEAC and, of course, the significant entry fee that A&T has to pay the Big South to become a member. That is why he admitted that this was basically a lateral move. You save money on one hand (less travel expenses) but you may lose money (stadium revenue, potential Celebration Bowl check, Big South entry fee, etc..) on the other. You are incorrect and making assumptions to prove a point due to the fact that you don’t support the move. You are assuming attendance will be effected by the move, you are assuming that we will make the celebration bowl every year. Furthermore the BSC fee is not a recurring fee. As stated by the AD you can’t include a celebration bowl payout in a budget since it not guaranteed. However you can factor in savings on travel.
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Post by aggie2039 on May 15, 2020 15:02:17 GMT -5
Dont forget: Earl Hilton is a lawyer. He knows how to not make promises that he can't keep ... Don’t forget he has a MBA and this understands accounting and budgets.
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Post by Bornthrilla on May 15, 2020 15:44:20 GMT -5
Bro, I just posted Hilton's own words from a press conference. He clearly said it was a lateral move financially.
Dont get mad at me because you dont want to believe what he himself said.
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Post by aggie2039 on May 15, 2020 15:55:03 GMT -5
Bro, I just posted Hilton's own words from a press conference. He clearly said it was a lateral move financially. Dont get mad at me because you dont want to believe what he himself said. www.bizjournals.com/triad/news/2020/02/07/move-to-big-south-offers-big-financial-benefits.htmlHilton told Triad Business Journal that he estimated a savings of about $500,000 in travel expenses -- about a third less than the school's travel costs to compete in the MEAC, which has three members in Maryland, two in Florida and one each in Washington, D.C., and Delaware.
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Post by Bornthrilla on May 15, 2020 16:08:09 GMT -5
The operative words: " ...in travel expenses".
That doesn't mean an overall net savings for the entire budget. That is just one line item of the budget that he is choosing to publicize.
HE SAID IT HIMSELF THAT OVERALL THIS WAS A LATERAL MOVE FINANCIALLY.
For some strange reason, you are refusing to believe the words that came out of his mouth.
I did not force him to say it. He gave a press conference when the move was first announced and offered that information on his own.
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Post by Bornthrilla on May 15, 2020 16:10:35 GMT -5
One more time for the hearing impaired:
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Post by aggie2039 on May 15, 2020 16:11:27 GMT -5
The operative words: " ...in travel expenses". That doesn't mean an overall net savings for the entire budget. That is just one line item of the budget that he is choosing to publicize. HE SAID IT HIMSELF THAT OVERALL THIS WAS A LATERAL MOVE FINANCIALLY. For some strange reason, you are refusing to believe the words that came out of his mouth. I did not force him to say it. He gave a press conference when the move was first announced and offered that information on his own. Im done...you are in denial
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